[Dmaxcc6spd]

I'm being told that I can't add a backhoe to a 3D series tractor. What is different that limits the ability?

TIA

 

[Shortthrow50]

I'm being told that I can't add a backhoe to a 3D series tractor. What is different that limits the ability?

TIA

The only quick research i could find is that because you dont have hydro trans. Tats just a shot in the dark. Any reason in particular you just didnt go with the 3e which has backhoe option and hydrostat? Let me guess, manual trans. I cn understand that. Thats crappy the dealer didnt go in to fine detail

 

[Dmaxcc6spd]

Ideally I'd have mower and backhoe, which makes the only choice an R series. Would rather have the manual trans, and for the cost difference I could buy a 3D and a zero turn for the cost of an R. My current zero turn mower is 16 years old, so it makes sense to have the option of adding a mower, and I feel I would be best suited with a MMM. I hate how certain option choices are limited. I also prefer overkill - the R has more lilt capacity and available horsepower. Just hate the price.

 

[SRG]

Possibly something to do with the cast iron axle/gear housing?

 

[EmmtBot]

3D is a different rear end and I think most people shopping a backhoe would prefer hydro for finesse work. I bet Deere just didn't see it as a popular combination and didn't want to spend the time/money making a solution. Just my guess, don't really know at all.

 

[Shortthrow50]

Possibly something to do with the cast iron axle/gear housing?

should not be an issue. Dont they all come with subframe option? I dont know, just asking. Im thinking it has to do with hydraulic flow and e hydro. Anyone know how these backhoes get supplied fluid. Does power beyond require e hydro?

 

[Shortthrow50]

3D is a different rear end and I think most people shopping a backhoe would prefer hydro for finesse work. I bet Deere just didn't see it as a popular combination and didn't want to spend the time/money making a solution. Just my guess, don't really know at all.

yes, however, when working with backhoe, hydraulic drive serves no purpose. When working with backhoe, you will keep the hydro in neutral so you can push or pull machine from backhoe seat with the bucket

 

[SRG]

The E and D flow about the same, just over 5gpm. R is like 8gpm. (info from Tractordata.com. Accurate?)
Can you get an OEM backhoe on an E?

Has nothing to do with hydrostatic trans. Backhoes were offered on gear drive machines for many years in the past, from John Deere. Is there a power beyond option for the D series machines?

 

[SRG]

should not be an issue. Dont they all come with subframe option? I dont know, just asking. Im thinking it has to do with hydraulic flow and e hydro. Anyone know how these backhoes get supplied fluid. Does power beyond require e hydro?

I don't have answers to any of that.

 

[JimR]

I'm being told that I can't add a backhoe to a 3D series tractor. What is different that limits the ability?

TIA

What is different is that Deere chose not to make a BH compatible with the 3D machines. All of the BHs used with the Deere CUTs are mounted via a subframe and Deere decided not to make a subframe that fits the 3D. They also don't have the required hydraulics to run a BH on the 3D.

The 3D series was designed to be kept simple and cheap. If you want the ability to add complexity, you pay for it by buying a higher level machine. As the old saying goes, there ain't no free lunch.

 

[EmmtBot]

Of course backhoes can work on gear drives and have for years. I just mean that since hydros have become the popular choice on compacts, I would think someone planning to do backhoe work and spend the money on one is probably more likely doing the kind of work that hydros are better at. Deere doesn't have to provide all the combinations.

 

[Dmaxcc6spd]

I never thought I say the words "I need a tractor", but purchasing about 16 acres this summer and need to do some cleanup work. As I've read and learned, I think it makes sense to have a machine that is capable of multiple tasks, unfortunately that comes with a steep price tag. I think the 3039R or 3046R seems to be the best choice.

 

[SRG]

What is different is that Deere chose not to make a BH compatible with the 3D machines. All of the BHs used with the Deere CUTs are mounted via a subframe and Deere decided not to make a subframe that fits the 3D. They also don't have the required hydraulics to run a BH on the 3D.

The 3D series was designed to be kept simple and cheap. If you want the ability to add complexity, you pay for it by buying a higher level machine. As the old saying goes, there ain't no free lunch.

So there is no Power Beyond for the 3D machines?

 

[Shortthrow50]

Of course backhoes can work on gear drives and have for years. I just mean that since hydros have become the popular choice on compacts, I would think someone planning to do backhoe work and spend the money on one is probably more likely doing the kind of work that hydros are better at. Deere doesn't have to provide all the combinations.

yes but my comment wasnt based off of that. Was wondering how john deere these days have the hydraulics setup on small tractors to power the backhoes and how power beyond works? does it require e hydro trans and work off of e hydro with power beyond? Can you answer that? So does manual trans affect that and that maybe the partial reason why for the d series? someone mentioned its because the subframe wont attach. How could that be the case if both tractors are almost identical. Not trying to cause debate and be confrontational. Just curious as to what exactly the eliminating factor is. Everything on here seems to be speculation without pure proof from a documented write up that backs this up

 

[JimR]

So there is no Power Beyond for the 3D machines?

Correct. You can get a power Beyond on the 3E and 3R but not on a 3D. I'd assume that Deere spec'd out a cheapo hydro valve for the 3D as a part of their cost cutting and leaving out the PB capability probably saves them $3/unit on their cost.

 

[Shortthrow50]

Correct. You can get a power Beyond on the 3E and 3R but not on a 3D. I'd assume that Deere spec'd out a cheapo hydro valve for the 3D as a part of their cost cutting and leaving out the PB capability probably saves them $3/unit on their cost.

this pretty much sums it up then

 

[JimR]

yes but my comment wasnt based off of that. Was wondering how john deere these days have the hydraulics setup on small tractors to power the backhoes and how power beyond works? does it require e hydro trans and work off of e hydro with power beyond? Can you answer that? So does manual trans affect that and that maybe the partial reason why for the d series? someone mentioned its because the subframe wont attach. How could that be the case if both tractors are almost identical. Not trying to cause debate and be confrontational. Just curious as to what exactly the eliminating factor is. Everything on here seems to be speculation without pure proof from a documented write up that backs this up

The Hydro transmission and Power Beyond operate independently of each other. You can have either on any machine. To have a Power Beyond you need a tank, pump fluid and a SCV with a Power Beyond port. Lots of tractors have all that without having a hydro transmission. (You can get 4M series machines with a power reverser transmission with a Power Beyond!)

 

[Shortthrow50]

The Hydro transmission and Power Beyond operate independently of each other. You can have either on any machine. To have a Power Beyond you need a tank, pump fluid and a SCV with a Power Beyond port. Lots of tractors have all that without having a hydro transmission. (You can get 4M series machines with a power reverser transmission with a Power Beyond!)

thank you for the info. like i said, i was just asking for clarification. not to step on anyones toes

 

[JimR]

thank you for the info. like i said, i was just asking for clarification. not to step on anyones toes

No problem! If you have an interest and want to read some day (when you are really, really bored! lol ), there is a good thread in the hydraulics library on Power Beyond, what it is, how it works, etc... Lots of people think it's "scary" or confusing/complex but it's really extremely simple once you understand it.

 

[JungleStyle]

I never thought I say the words "I need a tractor", but purchasing about 16 acres this summer and need to do some cleanup work. As I've read and learned, I think it makes sense to have a machine that is capable of multiple tasks, unfortunately that comes with a steep price tag. I think the 3039R or 3046R seems to be the best choice.

G'day mate, welcome to GTT.
There's a cheaper option, you can purchase an older model and get better value for money.
I have a 1999 and I've just put a 2018 485 BH on it, a bit of a project that required some research, but all told it's about 1/2 the price of buying new.
You can search out the install thread, I did have some challenges with an older machine (and I'm in Australia) but it's a bloody fine digger now.
The 3x20 series are ripper tractors, turbo diesel without DPF... the 3720 would be my pick if I had the cash.

Also, my old 4300 is a low sitting open station machine that's much more stable on the hills.

My point is, you can get a premium tractor for an economy price, if you can for-go the new tractor smell and look around for a good low hours machine.