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Hi All,

I have a 1023e with iMatch. I'm looking for a bagger preferably with dump function.

I quickly looked into Protero and Superior Tech.

Protero shipped to CT (all in) is $3,400. I recall others getting this for less in the past. I like this one because it is PTO powered and the vacuum fan is near the "bag" and not on the side of the deck. It also comes with a stand.

Superior Tech seems to be a modified JD MCS unit for which I have to buy some JD parts in addition to the SP "bag". The cost of this is $2,500 + $750 for the JD chute and fan assembly.

This is quite a bit of money. Any one else have other options? How much is a regular JD MCS setup with fabric bags? Are the above units worth the premium over the standard MCS?

Thanks for any and all opinions.
 

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Superior Tech makes the MCS for John Deere. They might sell one that is slightly different but just a heads up on that part.

As far as what is best. There isn't a right answer. What is best for one person would suck for the next.

Case in point. If you have to haul leaves and clippings off-site because you don't have the ability or desire to compost on your property, well then the 3 bag setup might be better. It is also a little more compact for storage. So for suburbia this might be a better solution.

If you do dispose of the clippings on-site like I do, then the 3 bag collection would be a complete waste of time. I want to dump and go as quickly as possible. So a dump from seat hopper solution is better.

As far as powerflow head vs pony motor. Personal preference again. The Powerflow is heavy, can throw off the level of the deck, for the 1 and X series has a plastic housing which will eventually wear out and isn't cheap or easy to replace. But it is belt driven off the right spindle. So no secondary motor to store.

A pony motor doesn't have the weight hanging off the deck, usually is metal construction, it can be nice in that the pony engine alone can be run with the hose disconnected to suck leaves out of shrubs. However they are loud and there is the second engine to maintain.

Another option just to put it on your radar is a rear PTO driven vac. Rather than a pony engine you run both the med and rear PTO. It is metal construction, dump from seat hopper design. I considered it when I was thinking I might go 1 Series a couple years ago but went with a Z950R with MCS instead. The issue for me was I wanted to buy everything under 0% JD financing. This isn't a JD part so not an option for rolling it into financing. The Superior Tech unit wasn't available as an option 2 years ago. Only the 3 bag collection which as I mentioned wouldn't work very well in my application.

EDIT: Here is a link to the company that makes the PTO driven one. Like I said, just another option, not that you needed more options. There isn't a right or wrong answer. You just need to find what works best for you in your situation.

http://www.proteroinc.com/product/pv18-pto-dump-catcher-utility-tractors/

I also don't like the fabric bags because they eventually wear out as well.
 
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I retrofitted one of these from the vintage 800 and 900 series tractors.

Positives are: leaves and grass can be dumped directly into a trailer, truck or on a pile without getting off the seat.

Negatives: must have front counterweight (not a huge deal), nice if you have rear hydraulics to actuate the dump (don't really needs this. You could run longer hoses up to the FEL quick connects), takes some retrofitting (not bad if you know how). Have to find one used and then will probably have to do some work on it (this may be the toughest part). :dunno:
 

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I retrofitted one of these from the vintage 800 and 900 series tractors.

Positives are: leaves and grass can be dumped directly into a trailer, truck or on a pile without getting off the seat.

Negatives: must have front counterweight (not a huge deal), nice if you have rear hydraulics to actuate the dump (don't really needs this. You could run longer hoses up to the FEL quick connects), takes some retrofitting (not bad if you know how). Have to find one used and then will probably have to do some work on it (this may be the toughest part). :dunno:
I always thought that setup was pretty neat. The odd thing is that they still sell them. Just not here.

Look at the second photo in the gallery.

https://www.deere.com/en_INT/products/equipment/commercial_mowing/diesel_mowing_tractors/x900_series/x950r/x950r.page#
 
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How about just hand rake debris into the bucket of the front end loader, cart that off and dump it?

All good assuming you have front end loader. If not disregard.
 

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Superior Tech makes the MCS for John Deere. They might sell one that is slightly different but just a heads up on that part.

As far as what is best. There isn't a right answer. What is best for one person would suck for the next.

Case in point. If you have to haul leaves and clippings off-site because you don't have the ability or desire to compost on your property, well then the 3 bag setup might be better. It is also a little more compact for storage. So for suburbia this might be a better solution.

If you do dispose of the clippings on-site like I do, then the 3 bag collection would be a complete waste of time. I want to dump and go as quickly as possible. So a dump from seat hopper solution is better.

As far as powerflow head vs pony motor. Personal preference again. The Powerflow is heavy, can throw off the level of the deck, for the 1 and X series has a plastic housing which will eventually wear out and isn't cheap or easy to replace. But it is belt driven off the right spindle. So no secondary motor to store.

A pony motor doesn't have the weight hanging off the deck, usually is metal construction, it can be nice in that the pony engine alone can be run with the hose disconnected to suck leaves out of shrubs. However they are loud and there is the second engine to maintain.

Another option just to put it on your radar is a rear PTO driven vac. Rather than a pony engine you run both the med and rear PTO. It is metal construction, dump from seat hopper design. I considered it when I was thinking I might go 1 Series a couple years ago but went with a Z950R with MCS instead. The issue for me was I wanted to buy everything under 0% JD financing. This isn't a JD part so not an option for rolling it into financing. The Superior Tech unit wasn't available as an option 2 years ago. Only the 3 bag collection which as I mentioned wouldn't work very well in my application.

EDIT: Here is a link to the company that makes the PTO driven one. Like I said, just another option, not that you needed more options. There isn't a right or wrong answer. You just need to find what works best for you in your situation.

Lawn Vacuum & Dump Cather for Utility Tractors | PV18 PTO | Protero Inc

I also don't like the fabric bags because they eventually wear out as well.

Thanks for your detailed response. Yes, the Protero model is the one I was referring to in my original post. I like that is it PTO powered and does not add weight to the side of the deck. That and one less motor to maintain. It looks well made but it is not cheap.

I have plenty of space to dump on my property and would like to quickly and easily do this without getting nasty wrestling with the fabric bags. It seems the price has increased in my research from others who have purchased here.
 

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Before you purchase one make sure you are going to use it. We moved on to 4 acres in 91 and purchased a 420 with a tilt dump collection outfit. Complete with its own 7hp Kawasaki motor and a real neat outfit. Used it three or four time and it just sets. every couple of years I start the engine and run a tank full of gas thru it and change the oil. Starts well just to much of a pain to use. Also we moved from intown and about 1/2 acre lot to over 4 acres to mow. I just let things fly when I mow and in the fall I mow the leaves several time. Just make sure you will use it before you lay out the :gizmo:
 

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The reason I want this a bagger is that I rarely mow often enough to leave fine clippings on the lawn. The clippings leave rows which is sortof a bummer for my kids to play in and will, over time, create a lot of thatch. I think the property will look a lot nicer if I bag the clippings. I mow about 2.5 of my 4 acres.

Also, it would be nice for fall cleanup. I currently use a billy goat blower mounted to the bucket, which works amazingly well, but this might be better.
 

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You might look at the cyclone rake. I got one last summer for my 1025R, and love it, I've used it twice already this year,
and the Z-10 will suck every bit of WET grass that the 60 inch deck can cut, as fast as it can cut it. (In Oregon, we don't have dry grass
to cut until July when it stops growing, and by then it'd be 3 feet high). Don't buy their 3-point kit, it isn't the best solution - get the
2 inch receiver hitch (included with purchase, instead of $100+ extra), and get the heavy hitch plate that goes under the PTO with the
2 inch receiver. This gives you a level base for the unit instead of it raising/lowering all the time with the deck, which isn't good for the engine.
If you want easy unloading, order the power lift unloader, just don't buy it with the electric start engine (the key for the electric start is behind the unloader
and almost impossible to reach when both are installed).

An added plus, they are right there in Ct, so you can probably get around shipping by doing factory pickup.
 

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Thanks for your detailed response. Yes, the Protero model is the one I was referring to in my original post. I like that is it PTO powered and does not add weight to the side of the deck. That and one less motor to maintain. It looks well made but it is not cheap.

I have plenty of space to dump on my property and would like to quickly and easily do this without getting nasty wrestling with the fabric bags. It seems the price has increased in my research from others who have purchased here.
Ahh, when I typed that I couldn't remember the name of the PTO driven one and for some reason thought you were looking at a pony driven one that has a 5-10HP gas motor.

You have a similar use as me. I also didn't want to wrestle with the bags. Some people prefer them because they are hauling off-site and that makes sense. It would be crazy to pick it up in a hopper, dump it back on the ground then have to load it in a trailer or bags. In your case I would go with a hopper design of some sort.

The reason I want this a bagger is that I rarely mow often enough to leave fine clippings on the lawn. The clippings leave rows which is sortof a bummer for my kids to play in and will, over time, create a lot of thatch. I think the property will look a lot nicer if I bag the clippings. I mow about 2.5 of my 4 acres.

Also, it would be nice for fall cleanup. I currently use a billy goat blower mounted to the bucket, which works amazingly well, but this might be better.
It sounds like you are going to run this pretty much all year. If it were me I would avoid the JD version with the Powerflow head. As I mentioned before the housing is plastic and won't last long term. Last time I priced one out for my X585 they were a little over $200 and they seem to last me 4 years or so. Mine are not wearing out from dragging on the ground. The wear out from the inside out. The good news is you are buying after the fact so the 0% financing isn't really an option. If I were in your shoes I would go with the Protero. It won't be cheap but it is kind of the best of both worlds in terms of having a dump from seat option on the hopper and not having to deal with the pony motor. It has a storage stand as well so it is nice to deal with off season.
 

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I've been happy with my JD MCS. It does a great job.
 

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I've been happy with my JD MCS. It does a great job.
I like my 14 bushel MCS as well. That being said I’d love to have the setup Ray does in post #3 above. I either dump my clippings in a pile in the backyard or on my trailer to haul to yard waste site. Somewhere on YouTube is a video of a guy who took one of the hydraulic dump MCS and fabricated it to use the John Deere power flo. Thus eliminating the need for the engine.


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So far, I love my MCS 20. It is push button dump and is iMatch compatible. The power flow assembly is very much plastic, but seems to be fine. My complete setup cost $3050 plus tax. It took me two hours to install but now hooks up in two minutes or less.
 

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I like my 14 bushel MCS as well. That being said I’d love to have the setup Ray does in post #3 above. I either dump my clippings in a pile in the backyard or on my trailer to haul to yard waste site. Somewhere on YouTube is a video of a guy who took one of the hydraulic dump MCS and fabricated it to use the John Deere power flo. Thus eliminating the need for the engine.


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That is exactly why I like it. I haul my leaves to the local TWP site, so I dump them right into my dump trailer which makes the entire process pretty easy.

JD actually built the same Hydraulic dump MCS system that I have for the vintage 400 series tractors that was rear PTO driven. It was easier to do on these tractors as they had a higher RPM rear PTO. I believe their rear PTO RPM was 1000, if I remember correctly.

I have been thinking about making my power flow PTO driven but the issue is, with the 540 RPM rear PTO, the RPM needs to be increased considerably. I have a preliminary design but just didn't decide that I want to take the time and spend the money to do this, especially since I only use it in the fall for leaf pick up. The Honda engine on mine works really good yet!
 

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That is exactly why I like it. I haul my leaves to the local TWP site, so I dump them right into my dump trailer which makes the entire process pretty easy.

JD actually built the same Hydraulic dump MCS system that I have for the vintage 400 series tractors that was rear PTO driven. It was easier to do on these tractors as they had a higher RPM rear PTO. I believe their rear PTO RPM was 1000, if I remember correctly.

I have been thinking about making my power flow PTO driven but the issue is, with the 540 RPM rear PTO, the RPM needs to be increased considerably. I have a preliminary design but just didn't decide that I want to take the time and spend the money to do this, especially since I only use it in the fall for leaf pick up. The Honda engine on mine works really good yet!
Even if you have to repower it at some point, you can get an engine for $100 from HF.
 

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Even if you have to repower it at some point, you can get an engine for $100 from HF.
Yea, I know! If I do change it over to PTO drive, it will be just because it will be an interesting project, not because I need to. :dunno:
 
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