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As I've posted in recent months, I've been looking to add a second side by side. Our first side by side, a Kawasaki Mule 610 4x4 XC-SE was purchased for use at our 13 acre cabin in the Ozark's, with limited hunting use on our 40 acre ranch which is leased out for cattle grazing. With the move last summer to a 20 acre property in NW Missouri, the Mule moved from the Ozark's to our new place. It was not long before we realized how much we depended on the UTV for wood hauling, checking and cleaning the property and relaxing rides on the country roads. So, a search for a second SXS was in order.

Our needs include:
A unit that will easily fit in the back of our full size pickup.
A good utility box that tilts easily
A price point under $10K
A machine that has a good reputation for quality
A machine that will allow the addition of a jump seat (hey, we've got grandkids...)
4 wheel drive
Storage area for ax, small chain saw, etc...
Roof

Our needs DID NOT include:
Having to go over 25 MPH
Sound systems, cab, heater or (good grief...) A/C
Super suspension (a must for faster machines)
Diesel
Quad cab (negated ability to fit into truck)

My first thought was the John Deere mid-size models, but we decided to do some shopping. Thus, we looked at the Polaris Ranger 500, John Deere 560E and Kawasaki SX. I immediately discounted the "off brands" sold at the farm stores and Walmart. I'm sure some of them are great machines, but not what I am looking for.

For the first time, I included my wife in the decision process, and her comments influenced the process for than I thought. To her, the Polaris Ranger 500 looked "cheap," and more like a toy. I liked the specs (suspension travel, engine), but did agree it looked cheap compared to the JD or Kawasaki. Price, with discounts, was the lowest, but only by $200.

The 560E looked nice, but had "too much plastic" according to the budget committee. The price, with required accessories, brought it right to the budget limit. The bed was smaller than the Kawasaki. The two dealers I talked to didn't want to discount much, even when I showed them ads from other dealers selling them for $1000 less. Of course, cost really didn't matter, as the budget committee had already spoken.

The Kawasaki SX, which is a facelift of the older 610 series, the was last one we looked at. The XC-SE edition provided LED lighting, roof, nice paint, nice wheels and larger tires that give greater ground clearance and better ride. It also was at a great price, $8200 "out the door." This is the unit we ordered. It will be a week or two before it arrives (they are built near Omaha, Neb).

I would have been happy with any of the brands we looked out, but note the following:
There is very little plastic on the Kawasaki SX. Lots of plastic on the John Deere and Polaris. Plastic is not a bad thing, but I like the "built like a Mule" feel of the Kawasaki.
The factory 3 year warranty beats the one year warranty offered by the others.

As for performance, if one wants to go 30 mph or more, the Polaris is the answer in the new "under 10K" category. For utility and fun, the John Deere would provide the best balance, wth a top speed of 28 mph. For utility alone the Mule is hard to beat, and has a reputation that backs up this claim. Its top speed is 25, which makes it a "no go" for many users.

I'll post some pictures when it arrives.
 

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After reading your post, it sounds like you and your wife did some solid research.

Best of luck !! Be sure to post some photos of the Kawi in the back of your truck.
 

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May want to check out Honda Pioneer's. I have a 2014 700. Has 2k miles on it and only routine oil changes. Very nice machine.
 

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Did you look at Yamaha? I have a rhino 660, which I highly recommend. They are very simple, with a carbureted engine, so you can fix them easily.
 

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My wife and I have a '12 610 XC, great machine for what you are looking for, I think you'll be happy and made a good decision. Congrats :good2:
 

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Congratulations on your new purchase. I am sure you are going to enjoy it. Any of the final 3 machines would have been great choices and it sounds like you got a good deal on a high quality unit.

Having your wife's perspective on a fairly large purchase is the respectful thing to do, in my opinion. Especially if she is going to be using the item or dealing with it. I always give my wife the chance to be involved and she can decide whether or not she wants to be involved. If it's something she isn't interested in, she usually defers.

It's always interesting to get Mrs. Bear's opinion on something which she really isn't "into". Her judgement is rock solid and the way she sees things is always insightful. While we almost always agree, the things we see are often very, very different.

Also, my wife tends to be really good at "challenging" the sales person. She has a very high respect for great salespeople who really are very good at what they do (after all, she married one.....). But if the sales person is poor at explaining things, or just glosses over them, Oh boy, are they in for a time.

We had a slick sales guy at our house giving us a quote on two new furnaces and two new 5 ton central air units. We had already done our research so we knew what these units really cost. The sales guy was pushing towards a particular one and kept throwing out "code lingo" like "The 577 is much better than the 466." So, she would ask him "What's the difference between them?" And his reply was at first a real flippant " $1,200".

So she said "I can see the price difference, but specifically How is a 577 better than a 466, is it faster, slower, taller, shorter, what's the difference"? Which I thought seemed like a fair question.

His reply "Well, it's just better...."

She replied "Better HOW?"

Oh boy....there is a storm brewing and I am getting a front row seat......:munch:

She asked him 3 more times and he failed to answer. She stood up and said "Thank you for your time but since you can't or won't answer my questions, we are done." He looked at me like "seriously?" I looked at him and said "You would do your career a huge favor if you listened much better and talked far less and actually answer the questions when someone asks you." He pleaded for another chance, but then I pointed out he had already wasted the 3 chances she gave him when she kept asking for clarity.

So, the salesman leaves and as if he hadn't already blown his opportunity, he did EXACTLY the wrong thing......He had his daddy, who owns the business, call ME, asking ME, to give Jr. another chance.......

If Dad would have been smart, he would have called my wife and apologized for Jr's arrogance and immaturity. Instead, he expected me to over ride her actions. I asked the guy on the phone, the father, "Are you married?" He replied "Well, I am married, it's my 3rd and we have been married now for 4 years, why?" I asked him if he would over ride his wife's actions and decision just because someone called him begging him to......He said "Well, I would certainly consider it if she were making a huge mistake."

So I asked the guy, "Why didn't you call my wife instead of me?" His reply "Because women can be unreasonable to deal with."........

Good luck with the 3rd marriage pal, I bet it won't be your last........

He did not get the sale that day......and my wife still mentions it from time to time how poor the sales guy was and how much of a misogynistic pig his dad is. She also said the son is just like the dad. She is 100% right.......
 

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You could not be more right. When we redid our house 20 years ago the contractor just would not listen to my wife. I am pretty particular about my shop and what is in it but the house is much more of a concern to her than me. He got closer to figuring it out when one of the progress payments was due. I told him she’s the one that’s going to write the check out so you need to listen to her. He never really understood but she did get what she wanted.
 

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May want to check out Honda Pioneer's. I have a 2014 700. Has 2k miles on it and only routine oil changes. Very nice machine.
I don't think a Honda would come in below budget of $10K
 

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I don't think a Honda would come in below budget of $10K
I don't know how much there going for now, but mine was close to 10k.
 

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Love our 2015 Honda Pioneer 700 close to 1400 miles not one issue with the automatic Transmission or the machine. In a SXS will never own another with CVT transmission.

Yea new 18 is priced at 10599 might be able to get the dealer to come down under $10,000.:dunno::dunno:
 

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As I've posted in recent months, I've been looking to add a second side by side. Our first side by side, a Kawasaki Mule 610 4x4 XC-SE was purchased for use at our 13 acre cabin in the Ozark's, with limited hunting use on our 40 acre ranch which is leased out for cattle grazing. With the move last summer to a 20 acre property in NW Missouri, the Mule moved from the Ozark's to our new place. It was not long before we realized how much we depended on the UTV for wood hauling, checking and cleaning the property and relaxing rides on the country roads. So, a search for a second SXS was in order.
Seems you've done yourself well. :thumbup1gif: Pictures...............
 

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May want to check out Honda Pioneer's. I have a 2014 700. Has 2k miles on it and only routine oil changes. Very nice machine.
The Honda was over our price point ($10.5K base), but has a solid reputation. I've had Honda quads and they were great machines.
 

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Did you look at Yamaha? I have a rhino 660, which I highly recommend. They are very simple, with a carbureted engine, so you can fix them easily.
I researched the Yamaha's, and the lowest priced new unit was $12K. A local dealer had a few carry-over models, but again, they were over $10K. The Rhino series was discontinued in 2013, so the only option would have been used. I grew up with Yamaha's (racing them as a teen) and liked the brand.
 

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Seems you've done yourself well. :thumbup1gif: Pictures...............
Pictures will be forthcoming. I have to wait for it to arrive at the dealer, then find time to pick it up, which will likely be in a couple of weeks while on vacation.
 

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Love our 2015 Honda Pioneer 700 close to 1400 miles not one issue with the automatic Transmission or the machine. In a SXS will never own another with CVT transmission.

Yea new 18 is priced at 10599 might be able to get the dealer to come down under $10,000.:dunno::dunno:
The new ones locally are all advertised as "on sale" at $11K. Adding a few accessories really hits the bottom line. The Honda is a much more refined (and faster) machine then we needed.

I could have spent $1200 less and got the base model, the Mule SX 4x4, but I like the larger tires, nice wheels, roof and advanced lighting. The same is true for almost every manufacturer, the base price for the lower end models does not include $1,000 to $2000 worth of accessories that I would like. Kawasaki and Polaris manage to make the true base models look pretty cheap with the mono-paint, minimal decals and really plain wheels. True, none of that affects function, but I like a little bit of flair!

Here is a picture from the Kawasaki website:

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Good looking ride!
 

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About a year ago now we bought a Kubota RTV 400. A 2013 model, new on the lot. It has been a real workhorse on our place here in the bush. It has performed every task we have put it to, over and above what should likely be ask of it. As older people we would be very much inconvenienced to have to get along without it now. It is quite plain other than being the camo option. No assortment of bells, whistles, fancy rims, go fast, big power, etc, etc. But none the less down to earth useful, dependable, and economical to buy and run.
We are VERY happy with the machine and people we dealt with buying and maintaining it.

An extremely large part of the reason we bought it is when we went to multiple Deere dealers in our area we got almost word for word the same line of BS.

"This is what we have to sell you, you won't find what you think you want"

My response was..... Want to bet...
 

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Guessing that is why they make so many different model SXS , tractors or vehicles. You get what you pay for or what you want to afford.

Feel certain we will all agree , cheapest isn't always the best , and the highest price isn't always the best longest lasting or the most reliable.

So we buy what we think (and hope) will give us the most work or fun for the bucks we want to spend. :dunno: and then hope it lasts us with out setting in the dealers shop being repaired.
 

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About a year ago now we bought a Kubota RTV 400. A 2013 model, new on the lot. It has been a real workhorse on our place here in the bush. It has performed every task we have put it to, over and above what should likely be ask of it. As older people we would be very much inconvenienced to have to get along without it now. It is quite plain other than being the camo option. No assortment of bells, whistles, fancy rims, go fast, big power, etc, etc. But none the less down to earth useful, dependable, and economical to buy and run.
We are VERY happy with the machine and people we dealt with buying and maintaining it.

An extremely large part of the reason we bought it is when we went to multiple Deere dealers in our area we got almost word for word the same line of BS.

"This is what we have to sell you, you won't find what you think you want"

My response was..... Want to bet...
When I bought my Kawasaki Mule 2510 4x4 22 years ago, I also looked at John Deere. All they had then were the 4x2 and 6x4 Gators.
I wanted 4 wheel drive and liquid cooled engine. I had NO interest in the 6x4 Gator. I told the Salesman after I saw what JD had to offer "no sale" He said almost the same thing, if the 4x2 wont do what you want the 6x4 will, no need for anything else. I told him I would keep looking and if JD really wanted to sell these, put the 6x4 engine in the 4x2 and make it 4x4 and then they would really sell. No, John Deere knows best was his answer.

Years later I was at the local JD dealer and saw they finally had a 4x4 gator. I told the salesman if they had them in 1996, I would have bought one. He (being a salesman), said well you can now!
 

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wife an i sat in a very nice CAN-AM side by side today. this was a 800 model. it had electric windows in the doors:laugh: no lie:flag_of_truce:couldn't believe it at first.:dunno: but not one of them machines had the electric dump on them. something i want badly.

now i could get in this smaller machine pretty good-as it had a tilt wheel-so that helped pretty good-but it's price tag was still at $21,000--wife said i guess ur not interested-no-not really.:mocking::munch:
 
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