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Ok... so this has been bugging me for a while. I don't watch much network TV but I do have quite a few cable programs that I record weekly on the DVR for later viewing. This has become increasingly difficult as apparently there is a movement to abandon the long standing on-the-hour and on-the-half-hour start/end times for programs.

We seem to routinely have programs starting at 9:01 and running to 9:31 or it will be listed on the channel Guide for 11pm yet the actual start time isn't until 11:21pm.

This wreaks havoc with the DVR scheduler as a program that runs 1-minute over will block the next recording that wants to start. It seems to be getting worse.

I know live programs and sporting events have always had a bit of margin in the end-time but does anyone know what is driving the abandonment of the long standing top-of-the-hour and 30-past-the-hour start / end times?

At least I got that off my chest. :)
 

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Just curious, what DVR/service do you have? We have DirecTV and I record many programs on the HD DVR and it seems to adjust perfectly. The other two non-HD DVR's are doing OK also I believe, but I don't watch them.
 

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Just curious, what DVR/service do you have? We have DirecTV and I record many programs on the HD DVR and it seems to adjust perfectly. The other two non-HD DVR's are doing OK also I believe, but I don't watch them.
I have a Explorer 8652HDC that's in the Blue Ridge Cable system. On a channel by channel basis the DVR does adjust. The problem is when you have back to back shows. I may have both tuners scheduled to record 9-10, 10-11. Which normally works fine. But if one of those first shows runs over to 10:02 and the next show starts at 10:00, then it becomes a conflict.
 

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I've noticed some of this with starting/ending a couple minutes ahead or after lately. I actually had to go to the Tivo forums to find a setting that is available to help with this. Once this setting is enabled it will record the same showing at a later time - some channels like Discovery and History run episopes multiple times. It the Tivo can't find other eppisodes within a few hours of the regular showing it will then offer to clip the beginning of the second show by the amount of time that the previous showing runs over - or visa versa depending on the priority level you have each show set at.

Of course all of this could be cured with a 4 or 6 tuner Tivo unit but I have the last available one that works with analog cable and has only 2 tuners.
 

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I have a Explorer 8652HDC that's in the Blue Ridge Cable system. On a channel by channel basis the DVR does adjust. The problem is when you have back to back shows. I may have both tuners scheduled to record 9-10, 10-11. Which normally works fine. But if one of those first shows runs over to 10:02 and the next show starts at 10:00, then it becomes a conflict.
That may be a difference from my Tivo unit - you set recordings by the show and not the time (while you can record by time if you want).
 

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That may be a difference from my Tivo unit - you set recordings by the show and not the time (while you can record by time if you want).
Mine operates the same way. Maybe I'm the only one having the problem. ;-)

Let me see if I can lay it out... my DVR has two tuners

When things are scheduled normally
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9:00-9:30 Record channel 5
9:00-9:30 Record channel 6
9:30-10:00 Record channel 7
9:30-10:00 Record channel 10

In the above schedule if the channel 5 show suddenly runs 9:00-9:31 it will block one of the 9:30 shows from starting.

The overrun is not consistent. One week the show is listed as stopping at 9:30, the next week it might be 9:31 and the next 9:32 and then back to 9:30.

This only happens when you have both tuners busy and recording back to back programs. I've had a DVR of one type or another for over 10 YEARS and this was never a problem. But in the last year or two the program schedules have not been adhering to the HOUR and 30-Mins past the hours start/stop times.
 

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Mine operates the same way. Maybe I'm the only one having the problem. ;-)

Let me see if I can lay it out... my DVR has two tuners

When things are scheduled normally
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9:00-9:30 Record channel 5
9:00-9:30 Record channel 6
9:30-10:00 Record channel 7
9:30-10:00 Record channel 10

In the above schedule if the channel 5 show suddenly runs 9:00-9:31 it will block one of the 9:30 shows from starting.

The overrun is not consistent. One week the show is listed as stopping at 9:30, the next week it might be 9:31 and the next 9:32 and then back to 9:30.

This only happens when you have both tuners busy and recording back to back programs. I've had a DVR of one type or another for over 10 YEARS and this was never a problem. But in the last year or two the program schedules have not been adhering to the HOUR and 30-Mins past the hours start/stop times.
Sounds exactly the same as setting up my Tivo. And I just started having the same problems you are describing a couple months ago.

Until I found that little hidden setting on mine it would do as you are saying yours does. Take a look in your settings - maybe you have something similar.

On mine it is in Settings > Recordings > Overlap Protection.
 

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On mine it is in Settings > Recordings > Overlap Protection.
I do not have a global setting for this. I would have to adjust on a recording by recording basis which since the overlap changes each week it's not worth the effort.

What I've done for the programs that matter is simply change the time for the second shows to a manual entry in the wee hours when they repeat.

My main point in posting was to see if anyone knew the root cause for why they are messing with the schedule rules after 60+ years of television.

It's certainly not by accident.
 

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Just curious, what DVR/service do you have? We have DirecTV and I record many programs on the HD DVR and it seems to adjust perfectly. The other two non-HD DVR's are doing OK also I believe, but I don't watch them.
I've got Directv and their 5 channel DVR AND I'm beginning to get the same problem as the OP. One problem is that some channels like Discover, etc. now sport a short "News" segment between programs which blows the settings out on the next program. One "could" go to the "Manage Recordings" and change the start/finish times, but you would have to know which programs are going to be time shifted.

I WILL NOT, NEVER EVER WATCH ANOTHER COMMERCIAL IF I CAN AVOID THEM!!!!! NEVER! "Record", "Play", "Fast forward commercials" is my MANTRA-ooouuuummmm! Take that Madison Avenue I've beaten you with my FFW calloused index finger! I hope all those medical and lawyer smartass ad men wind up in the ER with that "4 hour problem"! :laugh::nunu:
 

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This is a problem with OTA (Over The Air) TV too. In the old VCR days, I always programmed the VCR to start and stop 5-minutes before and after a show. If two shows were back to back on different channels I did the start/start times on the TV listing time.

Since I ditched pay TV (cable) I haven't had a DVR in a couple of years; so I don't know if it's possible to manually set a DVR. If it's possible to manually schedule a DVR, that might solve your problem; but it's not as convenient as just pressing a button or two to schedule a recording.

As another poster mentioned; the networks are probably doing this to try and keep people on their channels instead of switching.
 

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I WILL NOT, NEVER EVER WATCH ANOTHER COMMERCIAL IF I CAN AVOID THEM!!!!! NEVER! "Record", "Play", "Fast forward commercials" is my MANTRA-ooouuuummmm! Take that Madison Avenue I've beaten you with my FFW calloused index finger! I hope all those medical and lawyer smartass ad men wind up in the ER with that "4 hour problem"! :laugh::nunu:
Same here! I've been using a Tivo unit for many years now - now added a Roku unit for Netflix etc. I have the FF thing down to a science.

Kind of funny though - while battling this @#$% fatigue I actually fell asleep while fast forwarding through commercials once until my wife woke me up.

Once in a while I will let the commercials play - I just can't believe the mentality. If these commercials are successful it says a lot about the mentality of the general public.

Actually the newest Tivo version called the BOLT skips the commercials automatically. I sure wish I could use one but the newer units won't work with analog cable.
 

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I WILL NOT, NEVER EVER WATCH ANOTHER COMMERCIAL IF I CAN AVOID THEM!!!!! NEVER! "Record", "Play", "Fast forward commercials" is my MANTRA-ooouuuummmm! Take that Madison Avenue I've beaten you with my FFW calloused index finger! I hope all those medical and lawyer smartass ad men wind up in the ER with that "4 hour problem"!
Absolutely! There is nothing more painful these days than watching a TV program in real time. 5-mins of show, 6-mins of commercials, repeat. And... there is nothing more frustrating than forgetting you are watching in real time and going for the FF button during a commercial only to discover it's real time. AAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHH. :)
 

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I've noticed this change to program start and stop times also for a while now, and I think it is the providers trying to frustrate the people using DVR's. We have Directv Genie also, and we routinely set it to pad a few minutes on both ends of shows, but my wife gets so many things set to record that as was mentioned earlier, we also run out of tuners during that overlap at the end of one show and the beginning of another.

The sports broadcasts really are frustrating, as they never finish when they are supposed to, and the guide is never adjusted for it. So if you have something set to record after the game you will only get part of the show. We have started setting it to just record everything after the game on that channel for at least an hour past what we really want. Helluva way to run a ship.
 

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I have a Explorer 8652HDC that's in the Blue Ridge Cable system. On a channel by channel basis the DVR does adjust. The problem is when you have back to back shows. I may have both tuners scheduled to record 9-10, 10-11. Which normally works fine. But if one of those first shows runs over to 10:02 and the next show starts at 10:00, then it becomes a conflict.
It's only a problem when you don't have enough tuners to compensate for multiple programs.

My (Dish Network) DVR has multiple tuners to compensate and in the event of multiple conflicts will record an alternate showing of whatever program it bumped, usually later that night or the next day.

Oddball start times or non standard durations aren't an issue for it either as its programmed to record the show not a specific time slot.:dunno:
 
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