[Woodridge Creek]

I have a 2021 2025r TLB and was wondering if i could replace my 120r with a 220r. I know I couldnt order it that way, and short of finding one, etc, but is it POSSIBLE to do or not? I tried searching before i posted but couldnt find the answer.

 

[Jimmy Walker]

Hope somebody knows if it will work on a gen 2 2025R. It would make it a tractor worth considering.

I have seen it done on a 2015 with no issues but that year was more similar to the large 2rs.

 

[Jimmy Walker]

Another dumb decision of deere was the mount the 120R lower on a 2025R so you have the same lift height as a 1 series.....

Look at how much lower the vertical loader support bracket sits on the 2R

 

[Big]

I ll sell you mine for a steal if you want to try it. Been looking for an excuse to buy the mechanical self leveling loader

 

[jgayman]

I have a 2021 2025r TLB and was wondering if i could replace my 120r with a 220r. I know I couldnt order it that way, and short of finding one, etc, but is it POSSIBLE to do or not? I tried searching before i posted but couldnt find the answer.

This is from the 220R manual:

But if you look at JD Parts you can see that a mounting bracket is listed for the GEN-1 2025R but not the Gen-2.

 

[Woodridge Creek]

Darn. Ok. Thanks.

 

[SulleyBear]

If it was possible, John Deere would offer it as an option and honestly, why would anyone NOT put the 220R on their Gen 2 2025r if it fit? But the 2025r is in the "Small Chassis" 2 series, where the 2032r and 2038r are in the large chassis 2 series machines.

It's also worth noting that the frame connection for mounting the 120R on the 1025r and for mounting the 120r on the 2025r are different from one another. While the 120R loader fits both the 1025r and the 2025r, different mounting kits are used for the same loader on the two different machines...........

 

[Wvdeere]

Another dumb decision of deere was the mount the 120R lower on a 2025R so you have the same lift height as a 1 series.....

Look at how much lower the vertical loader support bracket sits on the 2R

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I have noticed the difference in mount heights on the dealer lot on a 1025R. 2 1025R machines. One with higher mount than the other. Must have been a dealer mistake. I have a 2025R and my guess why they made it lower is because with a level bucket you can barely get the front wheels off the ground before your hydraulics bottom out. Maybe the slight height difference of the tires causes this but if I had the taller mounts I don’t think I could apply any down pressure with a level bucket.

 

[SulleyBear]

This is the frame kit to mount the 120R on the 1 series

This is the frame kit to mount the 120R on the 2025r, Gen 2 machines.

 

[trav]

Another dumb decision of deere was the mount the 120R lower on a 2025R so you have the same lift height as a 1 series.....

Look at how much lower the vertical loader support bracket sits on the 2R

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That's what they had to do to make a loader designed for a sub compact tractor work on a compact tractor. I guess they didn't want to design an manufacture a loader for only one model of tractor 😠.

Same deal with the limited cat 1 maybe? 😠😠

 

[SulleyBear]

When you look up the 220R loader, the frame mount options are all for the larger series 2032r or 2038r or the earlier version machines, which are generally in the "Generation 1 machines", which also include the prior model series of the 2 series machines, such as the 2320, 2520, etc...

 

[SulleyBear]

That's what they had to do to make a loader designed for a sub compact tractor work on a compact tractor. I guess they didn't want to design an manufacture a loader for only one model of tractor 😠.

It would be interesting to see just how different the frame mounts would have been, etc. to get the 220R onto the 2025r. Also, the overall machine height of the 2032r and the 2038r is quite a bit taller than the 2025r tractor is.

It would be insightful, Having a 220R and a 120R FEL parked directly next to one another, to see the differences in the height of the parked loaders and to highlight any differences in the shape and size of the boom arms, etc. The 220R has to have a greater range of movement than does the 120R simply to be able to reach its full lift and dump height as well as put down pressure and raise the front end of the taller machines.

Also, when you look at the number of machines sold, the 1 series clearly sells more machines than does the larger 2 series machines.

When you combine the production and sales volumes of the 2025r with those of the other 2 series machines (2032r and 2038r) suddenly the total number of 220R loaders would likely be similar to the 120R loader production for the 1 series.

It makes one wonder if they had made the 220R fit the 2025r Gen 2 machines, the production volumes of the 220R would then probably be more similar to the production numbers of the 120R and that would help with lowering the cost to produce the loader and sell it. Or on the flip side, simply increase the profit margin on the 220r units when sold.

There are a lot of decisions made regarding these machines which it would be interesting to hear the reasons why the decisions were made as they were.

 

[jgayman]

If it was possible, John Deere would offer it as an option and honestly, why would anyone NOT put the 220R on their Gen 2 2025r if it fit? But the 2025r is in the "Small Chassis" 2 series, where the 2032r and 2038r are in the large chassis 2 series machines.

True... but consider this. The 2320 is listed as compatible and it too was a small chassis tractor that weighs less than a 2025R.. There must be some other reason JD chose not to do it.

2320; 24 HP, 1660 lbs.
2025R: 24HP, 1793 lbs.

 

[Big]

I still think the op needs to buy mine and at least try it..just sayin

 

[Pigpen]

I want to try to put the 220r msl on my tractor but I say you try it and let us know how it works out

 

[JD4052M]

Just a thought…but would an H130 work on a Gen 2 2025R? But then again if both the H130 and 220R fit the old gen 2R’s, then maybe both would fit the new 2025R? I’d like to hear others opinions on this

 

[jgayman]

Just a thought…but would an H130 work on a Gen 2 2025R? But then again if both the H130 and 220R fit the old gen 2R’s, then maybe both would fit the new 2025R? I’d like to hear others opinions on this

Keep in mind that a Gen-1 2025R is basically the same machine as a 2320 which had a lot of similarities to the 2520/2720/Gen-1 2032R. The Gen-2 2025R other other hand, is more like a 1-series with larger tires.

 

[JD4052M]

Yes true. My original idea was trying to put an H130 on a Gen 2, since it is a little smaller than a 220R.

Keep in mind that a Gen-1 2025R is basically the same machine as a 2320 which had a lot of similarities to the 2520/2720/Gen-1 2032R. The Gen-2 2025R other other hand, is more like a 1-series with larger tires.

 

[jgayman]

Yes true. My original idea was trying to put an H130 on a Gen 2, since it is a little smaller than a 220R.

The H130 is just a rebadged version of the 200CX. They are both pretty much the same size as a 220R.

Here are the approved tractors for a H130:

And for the 200CX:

Note: the 200CX manual doesn't list the Gen-1 2025R or Gen-1 2032R because they didn't exist at the time.

 

[DeereGuy316]

I think the short answer is, it all comes down to the mounting brackets. If you get the mounting brackets to fit, I imagine you can get the loader to work. Hydraulic pressure is hydraulic pressure so it all comes down to mounting. It might not sit quite as level and look a little bigger on the tractor but they've be fabbing up loaders to tractors for decades. However, I know everyone wants the 2025R to have the 220R loader, myself included. But after owning mine for a while, its really done everything I could ask it to do for the frame size tractor I have. I've gotten over my "loader envy" pretty quickly.