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If you wanted to know about the Man Made pot pill here is a link to it. Not intended for everyone to take. Marinol Drug
Thanks for that! Pennsylvania is way behind the western states with the stuff.

I just checked - my prescription plan actually covers this with pre-authorization. The generic Dronaninol anyway. This gives me some options when I see my PCP again.

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As far as over prescribing - gets pretty crazy with my multiple issues. I get my monthly statement from Medicare. As of the end of December my total - what insurance paid - was well north of $100k. The one injection I take twice a month is over $4k per month alone.

I know my Rheumatologist gets a kickback from Humira as they are big into doing clinical trials for AbbVie the manufacturer. Kind of ironic - Abbvie is also who makes the Dronaninol mentioned above.
 

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I can't comment on the CBD oil other than I have friends that swear by it. Around here in Ohio it's kinda pricey. As for me I decided to try Tumeric Curcumin Complex about 6 months ago for arthritis in my wrists and it seems to be working. From what I read the supplement has many other benefits that they are still exploring. All I know is it got me off of daily doses of Aleve, Advil, etc. For me it took about 3 months or so to reap the benefits. It costs me about $25 for a 2 month supply. Just my 2 cents.
 

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The human mind is far more powerful than we can know. One thing we do know is that most people only use a very small part of their brain's capabilities. It's also clear that some people use much less than others........(I tried to insert the smiley face here but it lands everywhere else in the comment, just like usual......)

Many of the most commonly used medicines and treatments today began as something which was known to a few who took care of health issues utilizing them. Tree Moss is very effective at reducing wound infection when used in a specific way. The precursor to aspirin was found in Willow Tree leaves more than 2,400 years ago. Cocoa leaves have been chewed upon by those in regions where they grow, for centuries to reduce pain, etc. The list goes on and on.

Yesterdays willow leaves led to today's aspirin, which ironically, still aren't completely understood and uses for it are still being realized. For example, the benefits of low dose aspirin for cardiac health, which were learned after it had been globally available and very widely used and studied for over 70 years.

As long as something isn't harmful, I don't see the harm in trying it, especially for pain relief. Chronic pain does many things to the human body, such as depleting the serotonin levels in one's brain, simply from having endured the pain. To correctly treat pain, you also have to deal with it's physical collateral affects, such as the altering of our brains chemical balances. But this isn't something you can properly learn the depths of the issue on You tube.

If people find benefit from taking various natural supplements, then I say go for it, as long as you aren't causing other issues. Personally, one issue which I think has the potential to be harmful is when men begin to take Testosterone replacement "therapies", for "Low T". As a natural part of aging, the testosterone levels diminish, largely in conjunction with other functions of aging which occur naturally.

As part of a physician monitored treatment plan, the "Low T" makes sense. However, many people who take these products, if not the vast majority, are purchasing over the counter supplements and often, mixing various products and treatments together.

As more and more men use "Low T" supplements and products, we are going to see the consequences, both positive and negative. Dramatically increasing a bodies testosterone levels and doing so at a highly escalated pace, can lead to many unintended consequences.

Since this involves an area of men's health which many men are uncomfortable or reluctant to discuss with their physicians, many "self treat". When they start to see some benefits, often the amounts, frequency or both are increased to keep "advancing the benefits". Some experts are concerned this could increase the frequency of prostate cancer as well as increase the aggressiveness of the disease.

Too often, when something shows results, the thought of "if a little works, a little more should work even better". But there is a point where danger is looming and frankly, there haven't been enough studies to know what all of this testosterone replacement going to result in.

Those dealing with such issues would be advised to discuss this with their doctors, despite the often uncomfortable nature of the discussion. It very well could mean the difference between good results or a bad outcome.

The introduction of "Online" treatments, Such as the service "Roman" that is often advertised on TV for such conditions is likely to lead to increased Low T treatment use and less full patient disclosure.

After all, "Roman" is in business to sell products and by circumventing the use of in person physician consultations with someone who likely knows you and your medical history. It replaces this personal visit with answering just enough questions to legally allow prescription drugs to be sold through their service, this has the potential to escalate the risks and problem as much as it offers the solution to a legitimate need.
 

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I can't comment on the CBD oil other than I have friends that swear by it. Around here in Ohio it's kinda pricey. As for me I decided to try Tumeric Curcumin Complex about 6 months ago for arthritis in my wrists and it seems to be working. From what I read the supplement has many other benefits that they are still exploring. All I know is it got me off of daily doses of Aleve, Advil, etc. For me it took about 3 months or so to reap the benefits. It costs me about $25 for a 2 month supply. Just my 2 cents.
Interesting, I too began a Turmeric Curcumin product several months ago in response to being shut off of all NSAID pain medications due to kidney complications. I have taken dozens of bottles of Advil over the years and am pretty sure that damaged my kidneys as well. I have tried CBD, some of the high priced good stuff and know it does help me to sleep better but doesn't do a thing for my pain.

My pain is severe, so much that I have an implanted intrathecal pain pump that "reduces" the pain a bit. Nothing ever comes close to taking it away. Spinal damage, nerve pain, degenerative disc disease, arthritis and a page more of diagnoses litter my medical records. I'm vastly experienced in living with pain, done it since a broken neck, spinal trauma in 1973. Doctors all say I should be dead. Nerve pain is an added disaster, I hope no one here deals with it but realize that some must know what I'm speaking to.

I reside in Ohio and there is a medical marijuana program but the prices are astronomical and supply is low so far. Plus you have to find a doctor willing to prescribe it, then there is no dosing level to use as informed source so it's guess work for the patient. I haven't tried it yet. It is well believed that any significant pain is not reduced by CBD unless it contains a significant level of THC, the substance screened by testing to fire you from your job. Great, not that I'm impacted as I've been retired on disability for over a decade. CBD helps some, others not so much. Like every other substance in the world, some are benefitted and others are not, we are all individuals with different manners to deal with substances and different levels of side effects, if any. I take a product that is decried by many on social media sites. If not for this product I'd not be here right now yet some want it banned, very small, myopic thinking. Try it, if you tolerate it and it helps, great. If not, stop using it, don't demand a complete ban. Sorry for the vent but I'm sensitive about that subject.

Living in severe pain for generations, as I recognize it is a 24/7/365 grind and has diminished my life. When I plan to service our 1025R my wife begs me to have the dealer do it as I'm usually down for a week and she hears my "pain sounds" that disturb her. I understand but am too cheap AND I do find a satisfaction to prove I can still do it BUT....you dance, then you pay the piper, always happens for every physical effort exerted the piper demands payment, in pain.

To all here, I hope you can find something that reduces your pain no matter how great or small it is.

I did, with counsel and help from this board, install a Milsco V5300 seat upgrade around Christmas last year and so far, with a little testing found it feels much better than my original seat. A big thank you to all who posted information on the Milsco seat upgrade, you blessed me so much and my success is your award of my undying thanks.
 

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Interesting, I too began a Turmeric Curcumin product several months ago in response to being shut off of all NSAID pain medications due to kidney complications. I have taken dozens of bottles of Advil over the years and am pretty sure that damaged my kidneys as well. I have tried CBD, some of the high priced good stuff and know it does help me to sleep better but doesn't do a thing for my pain.

My pain is severe, so much that I have an implanted intrathecal pain pump that "reduces" the pain a bit. Nothing ever comes close to taking it away. Spinal damage, nerve pain, degenerative disc disease, arthritis and a page more of diagnoses litter my medical records. I'm vastly experienced in living with pain, done it since a broken neck, spinal trauma in 1973. Doctors all say I should be dead. Nerve pain is an added disaster, I hope no one here deals with it but realize that some must know what I'm speaking to.

I reside in Ohio and there is a medical marijuana program but the prices are astronomical and supply is low so far. Plus you have to find a doctor willing to prescribe it, then there is no dosing level to use as informed source so it's guess work for the patient. I haven't tried it yet. It is well believed that any significant pain is not reduced by CBD unless it contains a significant level of THC, the substance screened by testing to fire you from your job. Great, not that I'm impacted as I've been retired on disability for over a decade. CBD helps some, others not so much. Like every other substance in the world, some are benefitted and others are not, we are all individuals with different manners to deal with substances and different levels of side effects, if any. I take a product that is decried by many on social media sites. If not for this product I'd not be here right now yet some want it banned, very small, myopic thinking. Try it, if you tolerate it and it helps, great. If not, stop using it, don't demand a complete ban. Sorry for the vent but I'm sensitive about that subject.

Living in severe pain for generations, as I recognize it is a 24/7/365 grind and has diminished my life. When I plan to service our 1025R my wife begs me to have the dealer do it as I'm usually down for a week and she hears my "pain sounds" that disturb her. I understand but am too cheap AND I do find a satisfaction to prove I can still do it BUT....you dance, then you pay the piper, always happens for every physical effort exerted the piper demands payment, in pain.

To all here, I hope you can find something that reduces your pain no matter how great or small it is.

I did, with counsel and help from this board, install a Milsco V5300 seat upgrade around Christmas last year and so far, with a little testing found it feels much better than my original seat. A big thank you to all who posted information on the Milsco seat upgrade, you blessed me so much and my success is your award of my undying thanks.
Very well said - all of it!

I feel lucky that I have found a combination that works somewhat for me. And yes - one of those would be to the bane of society. Those people who chant against it have no idea of what it’s like. All it has done is make it difficult to get - and jump through many hoops.

I’m lucky in that I can “work” around my place for an hour or so a day. When I say “work” I mean some very slow and gradual stuff. If I go beyond my self inflicted 1 hour my wife will yell out to me that I’ve been out there for a while.....I get into a zone and forget all about it. I love being outside plus as we all have learned distraction is the best battle against pain.

The rest of my day is spent in my chair (recliner). I have to get my legs up as the nerve pain in my legs and feet get really bad otherwise. Plus my one disease comes with a hefty dose of fatigue which also brings a nice dose of brain fog.

I’ve learned to deal with it for the most part. I still get SO frustrated some days. But as I say in my signature and try to live by it every day - it is what it is.
 

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I reside in Ohio and there is a medical marijuana program but the prices are astronomical and supply is low so far. Plus you have to find a doctor willing to prescribe it, then there is no dosing level to use as informed source so it's guess work for the patient. I haven't tried it yet. It is well believed that any significant pain is not reduced by CBD unless it contains a significant level of THC, the substance screened by testing to fire you from your job. Great, not that I'm impacted as I've been retired on disability for over a decade. CBD helps some, others not so much. Like every other substance in the world, some are benefitted and others are not, we are all individuals with different manners to deal with substances and different levels of side effects, if any. I take a product that is decried by many on social media sites. If not for this product I'd not be here right now yet some want it banned, very small, myopic thinking. Try it, if you tolerate it and it helps, great. If not, stop using it, don't demand a complete ban. Sorry for the vent but I'm sensitive about that subject.
I'm sorry for your pain. The spine is one of those components of the human body that was poorly evolved, and not designed to support an upright biped for 50+ years.

I agree that if marijuana helps manage a person's pain, they should go for it. I don't know anyone in the medical community that is arguing for a ban. I agree that without the THC and other associated cannabinoids, its ability to manage pain or nausea is very limited. Most doctors are pretty indifferent to medical marijuana for the reasons I mentioned previously....no actual data or evidence that it works. And as you noted, very few physicians actually do authorize its use in states where it's not illegal to do so because, as I also mentioned, doing so is completely illegal at the Federal level regardless of state laws.
 

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I reside in Ohio and there is a medical marijuana program but the prices are astronomical and supply is low so far. Plus you have to find a doctor willing to prescribe it, then there is no dosing level to use as informed source so it's guess work for the patient.
I'm also in Ohio and can tell you that finding a "doctor willing to prescribe it" is pretty easy! I was asked by someone close to me to be their "caregiver" for the medical marijuana program. This person suffers from chronic migraines and some other ailments and wanted to try medical marijuana as some of the more conventional treatments weren't working. Her primary care doc recommended that she look into it, but she wasn't the one that actually "prescribed" it.

We went to a little office in a small office strip center. Not completely sketchy, but certainly not a high dollar operation. Filled out some paperwork and then went back to have a consultation with a nurse practitioner. My friend brought all of her medical records, prescription history, etc. with her and the NP never once asked for it or looked at it. At least the NP did recommend what kind of THC/CBD ratio to look at for migraines but never wrote a formal prescription. She then signed off on some paperwork and then (here's where it got pretty weird...) referred us to a DOCTOR's office in the next strip center over. HUH???? Yup, the NP has to work under the supervision of a real doctor, so a doctor has to sign off on it. So we walked across the parking lot and found the doctor's office. Told the receptionist that we were referred by the pot NP and had a seat in the waiting room. They took us back and a foreign, female doctor comes into the room, asks a couple of questions and signs the paperwork. My friend asked a few questions (don't remember the specific questions) and then the doc actually went and got her stethoscope and listened to her heart and lungs. And off we went.... About 4 days later she got her medical marijuana card emailed to her and I got my "caregiver" card emailed to me. Bottom line - no real examine or follow-up required. A mere $250 and now she can legally buy and smoke pot and I can also legally buy it for her. Quite frankly, it was pretty much a joke.

You are correct that supply is low and limited. What we found is that most of the "dispensaries" are selling stuff that's way high in THC and not so much CBD. That's just the opposite of what was recommended by the NP. Visiting the dispensaries was an experience as well. You have to be escorted into the "show room" but they give you a "menu of products" to look over before you go in. And, yes, the terms that I quoted is the terminology that they use. Most of the people in the waiting room looked like old stoners.

My friend didn't want to actually smoke anything so she opted for some gummies and also a vape. Wouldn't you know it - about 2 weeks after she bought the vape (which wasn't helping too much anyway) all the news broke about the people with unexplained lung infections but the common denominator was that they were vaping stuff with THC oil in it. So she stopped using it! Oh, well.

If anyone finds CBD oil that actually works for joint pain, I'd like to know the name brands and where to get it. Sweetie suffers from fibromyalgia and I'd love to try some stuff for her. We've tried some creams on some of her sore areas, but it doesn't seem to help much. I'm actually looking at switching to a "plant based diet" like MeagerHair did to try and help her out. That's going to me tough for me as someone who loves nothing better than smoking ribs or chicken on my Big Green Egg!
 

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Bob my neibor he is a good Man for taking me to the Emergency Room today!! THANKS BOB I owe you one! so far I got my blood pressure of 202/126 with 156 Beat Per Min on the heart down to 129/81 with 85 beats per min now at home and on the 2nd pill he gave me. There not BP Pills. You sure feel weird when it cranks above 200/126 it is called a Hypertensive Crisis when that high! Still see the other doctor tomorrow for the Gastric Emptying Study that will be a whole day of doing things. I swallow the radioactive pellet and they take X-Rays 1, 2, 3 & 4 hours after I swallow it. It will tell them the rate of speed my food moves. To fast or slow wipes you out inside the intestines. This is caused by Nerve Damage. The High Blood Pressure started yesterday almost 48 hours of real bad pain. Glad that is over. Freaks me out seeing my BP Meter go above 202/126 racing @ 156 BPM resting in my easy [email protected]?
 

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Hard to like that post JD4044M. Praying for ya.
 

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Hope things improve soon JD4044M, I too can't like that post or your condition. I was given some CDB salve and have used it occasionally on my badly damaged lower back when it acts up. It seems to work and work even better with a couple of Budlights!
 

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Hard to like that post JD4044M. Praying for ya.
Everyone thinks twice about liking a post when someone is experiencing Severe health issues. I wish there was a “Thinking of you, hope you get well soon” button but there isn‘t so I hope the person takes a like of a serious situation as: Hey JD4044M “Thinking of you, hope you get well soon”. Because that’s the way I meant it and most others probably did too.
 

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I was given some CDB salve and have used it occasionally on my badly damaged lower back when it acts up
I've been using Charlotte's Web topical for about 5 days on my right knee. Had full knee replacement about 7 years ago and probably because of torn ligaments when I was young, it still hurts. I'm not trying to endorse any certain product or manufacturer, but this stuff is absolutely helping. Relief comes within 15 minutes of massaging it on my knee. My wife has also been using it on her rotator cuff with positive relief.

As far as the CBD oil I purchased, I've only been on it for about 5 days. It hasn't helped my sleeping problem at all, but everybody says it may take a while to build up in my system. Time will tell.
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How much dosage are you taking?
 

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Some people have a higher tolerance to the stuff so try experimenting with more, and times of day you take it. I know people who take up to 150 mg a day. Give it a good week for it to cycle into your system
 

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Some people have a higher tolerance to the stuff so try experimenting with more, and times of day you take it. I know people who take up to 150 mg a day. Give it a good week for it to cycle into your system
If I have to use that high of a dose, the cost would be prohibitive. That would equate to about $50 to $60 a week.
 

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I mentioned a problem with frequent inflammation to my doctor and she recalled a blood test I had taken that showed a shortage of Omega 6's in my system. She said that was frequently associated with inflammation. I was already taking an Omega 3-6-9 supplement, but she said I needed more and started me taking borage oil, which is entirely Omega 6. It took 4 or 5 days to kick in, but the difference for me was significant. I rarely notice pain in my legs or feet anymore, and it used to be the other way around. This is just a health supplement, not expensive, available over the counter. Simple cure, very effective. The blood test to see if you have a shortage of Omega 6's is very expensive. A better approach is to just buy some borage oil and see if it helps. I've also used CBD internally and as a suave. It has helped me both ways. The borage oil seems to actually solve the problem instead of mask it. And it's a lot cheaper and more convenient to take 2 capsules a day.

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I started trying CBD for back pain. Didn't help, but what it did do is completely wipe out the restless legs I've dealt with since my teens.

I get an extra 2-3 hours sleep per night. That's worth the price of admission for me. The outfit we buy from offers a steady 60% off for veterans, low income, etc.

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