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I am willing to accept a percentage of the responsibility on this but here is the abridged story.

Back in August, I traded in my 1025R Loader after a year because...(1) when I bought it in May 2017 I was told I would be getting a 2017 MY unit. Ended up taking delivery of a 2015 MY. I'll own it, because there was no documentation on that, and it wasn't until a few months later that I checked the VIN (always irked me because I don't keep my equipment outside. I use it, wash it, park it in my garage. My equipment doesn't stay outside over night, let alone 2 years on the lot. (2) My dealer was running a special on the 2018 MY 1025R TLB. Didn't think I would need a hoe, but jobs kept popping up.

Decided to add on an SB1154 3 pt snowblower with the new tractor. Went all out, ordering the hydraulic chute rotation. After taking delivery of the tractor, dealer called informing me that the hydraulic cute rotation was not compatible with the power beyond and I would have to get the manual chute rotation. "Okay, make the change and deliver when it arrives."

Mid September snowblower gets delivered - Hydraulic chute rotation and all.
"Well okay, what do we do now?"
"It will take 2 months for us to get you the manual chute rotation"
"If I get the valve, will you guys set it all up with the power beyond at no extra charge?"
"Sure, we can do that. Just bring your tractor up once you have the valve and we will get you rigged up."

Fast forward to October 27, 2018. I have the valve in hand and scheduled my drop off at the dealer.
"Not rushing you guys, but it's basically November and I just want to know when I can pickup my tractor as I have some work to do with it before it snows."
"Our turn around is no more than 21 days, you'll definitely have it by then."

11/16 called the dealer (approx 21 days)
"Just calling to check on status of my tractor..."
"To be honest, we haven't even started on it."
"Okay, I know there are a lot of farmers with equipment issues right now with all the rain we have had, and I have only spent $40k with you guys. I get that I'm not a high roller for you guys, but I will check back in after Thanksgiving to check again".
"Okay, don't worry you will have it before the first snow falls.
2 days later, first snow falls.

11/24 called the dealer again (almost 30 days since dropped off)
"Just calling to check on the status of my tractor..."
"To be honest, we haven't even started on it."
"Okay, again, I get that I may not be a high priority for you guys, but after our last conversation you at least sounded like you would be getting started and that this would be done sooner, rather than later."
"Well the thing is, we are still waiting on parts, and our guy that usually fabricates brackets has been out."
"Oh okay, when do you expect parts and your guy to be back in?"
"Parts should be in soon, but our fabricator has been out since June, so we do not know when he will be back in. If you want to come pickup the tractor, we don't need it until the bracket is fabricated and mounted."
"So should I not count on this getting done before the next snow falls?"
"Oh I'll have it done by the end of the month."
*seriously considers punching myself in the face, because the dealer can do it through the phone*
"Okay, I'll give you until the end of the month, that's next week. But I really need that to be done so I can get my work done before the ground freezes and it snows again."

So that's my venting. Like I said, I am willing to own up to the fact that I sorta set myself up for this, and that I should've known better than to do business with these guys again. I'm honestly, most chapped because my tractor, PTO shaft, and Valve have been sitting outside in the rain, sleet, snow, and freezing temps for the past month. This is why I don't let anyone borrow my tractor, because others do not treat my equipment like I do. I know beggars can't be choosers, and they are doing a few thousand worth of parts and labor since they ordered the wrong snowblower to begin with.

You all have never lead me astray, am I being a douche about all of this or do I have a legitimate gripe with this dealer?
 

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I would say you have more than a lil reason to gripe.
All shops I have worked in have their shop split up. Large AG guys dont mess with lawn mowers, gators or most compact tractors. That way their seasons dont get in the way of the other.
Most dealers have set up guys. They add all the goodies to the tractors. Others add goodies to lawn tractors and gators. Large ag will install their own goodies.
Not being able to fab a simple bracket cuz someone is out long term is BS and a red flag.
Parts not being there is BS. Parts/kit should have been there before you dropped it off. 21 days and then a month are unacceptable. Period. If parts are backordered with no ship date then you should have been told that first. This is a very very rare occurrence and there are ways around it.
IMHO it boils down to piss poor management and screw stick techs that aren't willing to step up and do their job.
If possible find another dealer. Call others and see if they can do the do.

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I don't buy it, sounds like they're yanking your chain to me, I'd be fuming if I were you.
 

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I am willing to accept a percentage of the responsibility on this but here is the abridged story.

Back in August, I traded in my 1025R Loader after a year because...(1) when I bought it in May 2017 I was told I would be getting a 2017 MY unit. Ended up taking delivery of a 2015 MY. I'll own it, because there was no documentation on that, and it wasn't until a few months later that I checked the VIN (always irked me because I don't keep my equipment outside. I use it, wash it, park it in my garage. My equipment doesn't stay outside over night, let alone 2 years on the lot. (2) My dealer was running a special on the 2018 MY 1025R TLB. Didn't think I would need a hoe, but jobs kept popping up.

Decided to add on an SB1154 3 pt snowblower with the new tractor. Went all out, ordering the hydraulic chute rotation. After taking delivery of the tractor, dealer called informing me that the hydraulic cute rotation was not compatible with the power beyond and I would have to get the manual chute rotation. "Okay, make the change and deliver when it arrives."

Mid September snowblower gets delivered - Hydraulic chute rotation and all.
"Well okay, what do we do now?"
"It will take 2 months for us to get you the manual chute rotation"
"If I get the valve, will you guys set it all up with the power beyond at no extra charge?"
"Sure, we can do that. Just bring your tractor up once you have the valve and we will get you rigged up."

Fast forward to October 27, 2018. I have the valve in hand and scheduled my drop off at the dealer.
"Not rushing you guys, but it's basically November and I just want to know when I can pickup my tractor as I have some work to do with it before it snows."
"Our turn around is no more than 21 days, you'll definitely have it by then."

11/16 called the dealer (approx 21 days)
"Just calling to check on status of my tractor..."
"To be honest, we haven't even started on it."
"Okay, I know there are a lot of farmers with equipment issues right now with all the rain we have had, and I have only spent $40k with you guys. I get that I'm not a high roller for you guys, but I will check back in after Thanksgiving to check again".
"Okay, don't worry you will have it before the first snow falls.
2 days later, first snow falls.

11/24 called the dealer again (almost 30 days since dropped off)
"Just calling to check on the status of my tractor..."
"To be honest, we haven't even started on it."
"Okay, again, I get that I may not be a high priority for you guys, but after our last conversation you at least sounded like you would be getting started and that this would be done sooner, rather than later."
"Well the thing is, we are still waiting on parts, and our guy that usually fabricates brackets has been out."
"Oh okay, when do you expect parts and your guy to be back in?"
"Parts should be in soon, but our fabricator has been out since June, so we do not know when he will be back in. If you want to come pickup the tractor, we don't need it until the bracket is fabricated and mounted."
"So should I not count on this getting done before the next snow falls?"
"Oh I'll have it done by the end of the month."
*seriously considers punching myself in the face, because the dealer can do it through the phone*
"Okay, I'll give you until the end of the month, that's next week. But I really need that to be done so I can get my work done before the ground freezes and it snows again."

So that's my venting. Like I said, I am willing to own up to the fact that I sorta set myself up for this, and that I should've known better than to do business with these guys again. I'm honestly, most chapped because my tractor, PTO shaft, and Valve have been sitting outside in the rain, sleet, snow, and freezing temps for the past month. This is why I don't let anyone borrow my tractor, because others do not treat my equipment like I do. I know beggars can't be choosers, and they are doing a few thousand worth of parts and labor since they ordered the wrong snowblower to begin with.

You all have never lead me astray, am I being a douche about all of this or do I have a legitimate gripe with this dealer?
My local John Deere dealer is lacking on a number of issues when you start to ask technical questions for these sub-compact tractors. Their bread and butter is the six figure equipment they sell to these multi-million farm operations. I can appreciate being last in line when the crop is ripe for harvest and someone's major piece of equipment goes down. I always check, by name, who says "X" is going to work if I purchase the item. The parts and service people have the service flags that tell them if they are or are not compatible. That only works if they read them before pulling the trigger on an order. I'd be wanting some rush shipping at their expense if they dropped the ball. They may also have a demo unit they can loan you until they make it right. I hope they get you squared away soon. Good luck.
 

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There are many threads in the Hydraulic forum about adding aftermarket valves even with the PB option. Having a dealer do "custom" work is a complete crap shoot-all they generally know is how to add and service OEM parts and accessories, and cannot think outside of the box.


Disclaimer: No disrespect indented to our resident JD technician.
 

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There are many threads in the Hydraulic forum about adding aftermarket valves even with the PB option. Having a dealer do "custom" work is a complete crap shoot-all they generally know is how to add and service OEM parts and accessories, and cannot think outside of the box.


Disclaimer: No disrespect indented to our resident JD technician.
Exactly!!! Dealers are not usually able to custom design anything. If they cannot add manufacturer provided components, they generally will not do it due to a number of reasons. Mostly, due to corporate policy.

Even if a dealer has a technician that is capable of doing such work, many times they are not permitted to do it due to policy.
 

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Wait until you get the bill for storing your machine until they could work on it.

Probably won’t happen but had it happen to a Neighbor once with a hi vis tractor color.
 

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I am willing to accept a percentage of the responsibility on this but here is the abridged story.

Back in August, I traded in my 1025R Loader after a year because...(1) when I bought it in May 2017 I was told I would be getting a 2017 MY unit. Ended up taking delivery of a 2015 MY. I'll own it, because there was no documentation on that, and it wasn't until a few months later that I checked the VIN (always irked me because I don't keep my equipment outside. I use it, wash it, park it in my garage. My equipment doesn't stay outside over night, let alone 2 years on the lot. (2) My dealer was running a special on the 2018 MY 1025R TLB. Didn't think I would need a hoe, but jobs kept popping up.

Decided to add on an SB1154 3 pt snowblower with the new tractor. Went all out, ordering the hydraulic chute rotation. After taking delivery of the tractor, dealer called informing me that the hydraulic cute rotation was not compatible with the power beyond and I would have to get the manual chute rotation. "Okay, make the change and deliver when it arrives."

Mid September snowblower gets delivered - Hydraulic chute rotation and all. "Well okay, what do we do now?" "It will take 2 months for us to get you the manual chute rotation""If I get the valve, will you guys set it all up with the power beyond at no extra charge?""Sure, we can do that. Just bring your tractor up once you have the valve and we will get you rigged up."

Fast forward to October 27, 2018. I have the valve in hand and scheduled my drop off at the dealer. "Not rushing you guys, but it's basically November and I just want to know when I can pickup my tractor as I have some work to do with it before it snows.""Our turn around is no more than 21 days, you'll definitely have it by then."

11/16 called the dealer (approx 21 days)"Just calling to check on status of my tractor...""To be honest, we haven't even started on it.""Okay, I know there are a lot of farmers with equipment issues right now with all the rain we have had, and I have only spent $40k with you guys. I get that I'm not a high roller for you guys, but I will check back in after Thanksgiving to check again"."Okay, don't worry you will have it before the first snow falls.
2 days later, first snow falls.

11/24 called the dealer again (almost 30 days since dropped off)"Just calling to check on the status of my tractor...""To be honest, we haven't even started on it.""Okay, again, I get that I may not be a high priority for you guys, but after our last conversation you at least sounded like you would be getting started and that this would be done sooner, rather than later.""Well the thing is, we are still waiting on parts, and our guy that usually fabricates brackets has been out.""Oh okay, when do you expect parts and your guy to be back in?""Parts should be in soon, but our fabricator has been out since June, so we do not know when he will be back in. If you want to come pickup the tractor, we don't need it until the bracket is fabricated and mounted.""So should I not count on this getting done before the next snow falls?""Oh I'll have it done by the end of the month."*seriously considers punching myself in the face, because the dealer can do it through the phone*"Okay, I'll give you until the end of the month, that's next week. But I really need that to be done so I can get my work done before the ground freezes and it snows again."

So that's my venting. Like I said, I am willing to own up to the fact that I sorta set myself up for this, and that I should've known better than to do business with these guys again. I'm honestly, most chapped because my tractor, PTO shaft, and Valve have been sitting outside in the rain, sleet, snow, and freezing temps for the past month. This is why I don't let anyone borrow my tractor, because others do not treat my equipment like I do. I know beggars can't be choosers, and they are doing a few thousand worth of parts and labor since they ordered the wrong snowblower to begin with.

You all have never lead me astray, am I being a douche about all of this or do I have a legitimate gripe with this dealer?
I am curious, what valve did you get? Did the dealer have input into what type of valve you needed?

If a dealer says they can install rear hydraulics on a 1 series without telling the owner what type of valve to get, they are blowing smoke, which may have been what happened here.

I hope this works out OK for you, but right now, it looks like the dealer is dancing!!!!
 

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Wait until you get the bill for storing your machine until they could work on it.

Probably won’t happen but had it happen to a Neighbor once with a hi vis tractor color.
I wouldn’t object paying for inside storage. But just sitting outside without any cover. Yeah that would make things worse.


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There are many threads in the Hydraulic forum about adding aftermarket valves even with the PB option. Having a dealer do "custom" work is a complete crap shoot-all they generally know is how to add and service OEM parts and accessories, and cannot think outside of the box.


Disclaimer: No disrespect indented to our resident JD technician.
Yeah I appreciate it. I tried getting and understanding the explanation of how to setup the valve. What seems like it should be simple to me is considerably more complicated and I also did not want to foot the bill for fittings at $50/per and hoses, and everything else. I also do not have the equipment to fab the mount. Well honestly the toolbox bracket would have worked just fine. Gotta remove the toolbox anyway for this.

I am a paramedic not a hydro tech so I need the dumbed down version of how-to grade level explanation until I’ve done it. Specific fitting sizes etc. I am just not familiar enough with parts to do it in my own and the dealer agreed to cover it.


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I am curious, what valve did you get? Did the dealer have input into what type of valve you needed?

If a dealer says they can install rear hydraulics on a 1 series without telling the owner what type of valve to get, they are blowing smoke, which may have been what happened here.

I hope this works out OK for you, but right now, it looks like the dealer is dancing!!!!
Yeah I have an email from the dealer with which valve I need to purchase. They told me to get...

https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200419671_200419671


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Yeah I have an email from the dealer with which valve I need to purchase. They told me to get...

https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200419671_200419671


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You may want to check with site supporter "Fit Rite Hydraulics". I believe he has a "bolt-on" kit that is what you seek. I'm sure it is more money, but maybe not by the time you figure the dealer's fab expense. You also will know what you are getting before you buy.
 

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Yeah I have an email from the dealer with which valve I need to purchase. They told me to get...

https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200419671_200419671


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That valve will work!! At least they had that communication with you, so maybe they are just waiting for the correct tech to work on it.

I'm not defending the dealer, although, sometimes technicians that have the ability to retrofit hydraulics and fabricate special brackets are in demand at a dealership to do some of their more complicated work. So, maybe the service manager just didn't plan this work very well, which of course is a problem in itself, and doesn't help your issue.

Hopefully they get this done for you!!
 

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That valve will work!! At least they had that communication with you, so maybe they are just waiting for the correct tech to work on it.

I'm not defending the dealer, although, sometimes technicians that have the ability to retrofit hydraulics and fabricate special brackets are in demand at a dealership to do some of their more complicated work. So, maybe the service manager just didn't plan this work very well, which of course is a problem in itself, and doesn't help your issue.

Hopefully they get this done for you!!


The dealership is making a one-or-two-bend bracket, not the frame for the space shuttle. If the fab guy was out, any local fab shop or welder could have made it.
 

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They should have told you fab guy is out and they could not make a promise date. It's not like he went out in the first 21 days it was there.

Unfortionally outside storage is the norm.
 

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Id do one of two or three things. Maybe all of them, just for any future issues.
One, go get my tractor.
They obviously have no clue how much longer it will be, and they have not been forthcoming with information, and it seems besides that, they have been somewhat dishonest with you, as they knew they still needed parts when you dropped it off, but didnt tell you, and also knew their fab guy was out, and had been for quite some time, with no timetable on his return.
I wouldnt give them the satisfaction of doing any more business with them, and I would recommend against them to anyone who asked.
They misled you on the original purchase, and now this with the second. They obviously dont appreciate your business, and are showing it.

Two. Find a few other dealers and call them and speak to their service managers and ask how they would handle this situation.
Even if its a good distance, it likely be a MUCH better experience with a different dealer than you currently have. At the very least, Id want to have somewhere else to go should I need service again. You might just get lucky enough to find someone who will step up and get this done for you ASAP. In any case, a different dealer would be at the top of my list once my tractor and all its parts were back in my possession.

Three. Find out what it takes to install the kit you want, then find out who makes what you need and do it yourself.
This is my go too, but I also realize that I am much more willing to do things that others arent, and am more mechanically inclined than some. All of that factors into what you can and cant do or are willing to attempt or not.
To me, this is the only step thats optional in your situation.

I sure hope you get it taken care of soon.
A bad dealer experience really is awful.
 

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Id do one of two or three things. Maybe all of them, just for any future issues.
One, go get my tractor.
They obviously have no clue how much longer it will be, and they have not been forthcoming with information, and it seems besides that, they have been somewhat dishonest with you, as they knew they still needed parts when you dropped it off, but didnt tell you, and also knew their fab guy was out, and had been for quite some time, with no timetable on his return.
I wouldnt give them the satisfaction of doing any more business with them, and I would recommend against them to anyone who asked.
They misled you on the original purchase, and now this with the second. They obviously dont appreciate your business, and are showing it.

Two. Find a few other dealers and call them and speak to their service managers and ask how they would handle this situation.
Even if its a good distance, it likely be a MUCH better experience with a different dealer than you currently have. At the very least, Id want to have somewhere else to go should I need service again. You might just get lucky enough to find someone who will step up and get this done for you ASAP. In any case, a different dealer would be at the top of my list once my tractor and all its parts were back in my possession.

Three. Find out what it takes to install the kit you want, then find out who makes what you need and do it yourself.
This is my go too, but I also realize that I am much more willing to do things that others arent, and am more mechanically inclined than some. All of that factors into what you can and cant do or are willing to attempt or not.
To me, this is the only step thats optional in your situation.

I sure hope you get it taken care of soon.
A bad dealer experience really is awful.
Yeah that’s what is going to happen. It’s not that I can’t do it (except the bracket). It is half, I have never done this before and want explicit instructions on how to do it. And the other half, out of principle since they sold me the wrong equipment, not what I was quoted but sure as hell charged for what I received. So because I can’t reamortize the payments they are going to do the work. I do well for myself but a sudden unexpected additional $2,400 for a complete kit, around the holidays is not in my budget.

I am out of town on business for a couple weeks. If they don’t deliver it before I get home I will go reclaim it when I get back.


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10 weeks and they delivered it today.

Looks like I need to get a longer handle. Anyone know where to find one?








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