[Martian]

Per Kenny's request, this is a continuation of a thread on another forum:

I just got a used Deere 110, loaded up with the hydraulic features. Everything works fine, except the rear three remotes. Upon pressing the diverter button (proper term?) it's not 'clicking' over like it should. When it's most noticeable is when something is hooked up to the 3rd function, grapple in my case, and the rippers on a box blade are hooked up to the the port that is controlled by the third function (in my case a button on the joystick). When I have the power diverted to the front, there is no problems. All functions work well, the grapple opens and closes soundly, etc. Where the problems comes is when I push the button to divert the power to the rear, it doesn't switch like I believe it should. When I try and control the rippers in the back, they won't open or close all the way, as well as the grapple will erratically jerk up and down a couple inches, showing that the hydraulic fluid is going to the front and the rear. It is also quite noticeable when using the 'tilt' function of the top and tilt which I have hooked to the curl function of the loader. The 'top' of the top and tilt which is controlled by the loaders boom up and down doesn't seem to be affected as much or quite possibly at all.

The tractor is at the dealership right now, though it's been a week and nothing back from them. They are good people, just don't move to fast and with tractor season upon us, they are busy. If I don't hear anything in the next couple days I'll be calling up there.

In the meantime, though, I would love to hear your suggestions about what is going on!!

Thanks!:thumbup1gif:

 

[Brian]

I am 45 minutes away from you and interested in what dealer you use.

Also, how many hours are on this machine? Has the hydro oil and filter been changed?

Dirt or corrosion in the system could cause this?

 

[Martian]

I am 45 minutes away from you and interested in what dealer you use.

Also, how many hours are on this machine? Has the hydro oil and filter been changed?

Dirt or corrosion in the system could cause this?

Wouldn't imagine you've heard of the dealer - Mid State Equipment off Baldwin Rd in Fenton. They are a smaller dealer and the only one nought yet bought out by Tri County around me. I will admit I bought my last new tractor (3120) from Tri County because of the price, but like to support the little guy when I can. The 3120 was just a demo model so the price was to spectacular to pass up, even though I wanted a larger model.

There is 640 hours on the machine now and when it was delivered in from Montana, they shipped it right to Mid State and they did a full service top to bottom. I wanted them to catch any problems before it came home, but they didn't catch this one.

And I did just get off the phone with the owner. His exact words was he didn't think I was using it right. Unless I'm missing something, I believe he is wrong. I didn't have the help of you guys yet, but I did have this same thing on another forum, and they seemed to think it was the diverter as well. To be quite honest, if it was indeed my fault, I'd be quite embarrassed for making such a big deal. I'll find out tomorrow for sure though, I'm going up to check it out and he's going to show me what I need to do or what I think is really wrong.

 

[Kennyd]

As I mentioned (and showed) just a little corrosion on the spool can/will foul it. If the dealer find nothing-you may have to tackle this yourself if your capable-There solution may be just to replace the diverter bank.

I am not quite sure how you you could use it "wrong" :dunno: Press the button...does it diverter to the rear...no...than there is something wrong.

 

[Martian]

As I mentioned (and showed) just a little corrosion on the spool can/will foul it. If the dealer find nothing-you may have to tackle this yourself if your capable-There solution may be just to replace the diverter bank.

I am not quite sure how you you could use it "wrong" :dunno: Press the button...does it diverter to the rear...no...than there is something wrong.

That's what I was thinking. I've been known to overlook somethings, but I had it where it should be working, its just not. Unless there's some trick beyond the obvious, then I might have to take it to another dealer that knows what they are doing. We will find out for sure tomorrow! I'll be sure to update.

 

[Martian]

The words I was right never felt so bad. As I thought he wasn't paying close enough attention to what was going on. Once I showed him the real problem, he felt a little dumber. Though it feels good knowing it wasn't my stupidity, it only means more time without it and more $$$$. They were winding down for the day, but said it should be in the shop tomorrow, so hopefully I'll hear something and I'll pass it along.

 

[Brian]

So you had to go back in and show him the problem?

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[Martian]

So you had to go back in and show him the problem?

That is correct. I guess he thought it wouldn't move at all, when he started it up and it travel a little ways he assumed all was good. The problem is it just won't quite make it all the way and it won't latch the rippers in to keep them from floating back up. So I sat out in this cold, windy weather while he tried everything that I did for a week without any luck. Luckily it was the owner out with me and he won't be working on the machine, but an actual mechanic!

 

[Martian]

Just talked to the dealer. It isn't in the shop right now because they are painting, but they believe it is more of an electrical problem with the diverter. He said it's all up to finding the bad wire/connection now. Hopefully they can get it fixed soon!

 

[Kennyd]

Good luck, but I am doubting is electrical myself from the symptoms you described. Are you paying the bill on this or is it under ant type of warranty?

 

[Martian]

Good luck, but I am doubting is electrical myself from the symptoms you described. Are you paying the bill on this or is it under ant type of warranty?

Unfortunately it's out of warranty and it will be out of pocket. He believes it's just not enough current getting to the diverter to divert it. I'm no expert on this stuff, so you would know better than I. Hopefully I'll know something more soon.

 

[dieselshadow]

I'm with Kenny on this. What they're describing could be verified using a jumper right to the diverter. I'll bet the diverter isn't moving all the way internally.:hi:

 

[Martian]

Your probably right. This is my first tractor with the diverter, so I wasn't going to try and tackle this, but from what your saying they might not be capable either.

 

[jenkinsph]

I don't wan't to pass judgement on your mechanic because I have no idea what he has found out yet. I will say that most of my experience with solenoid operated valves has been that when the coil fails it simply opens up. If the valve itself is failing or hanging up the coil may not be able to move it properly and that is what your problem sounds like to me so far.

I was wondering if when you had the fluids changed if some trash got stuck in the diverter valve?

 

[Martian]

I don't wan't to pass judgement on your mechanic because I have no idea what he has found out yet. I will say that most of my experience with solenoid operated valves has been that when the coil fails it simply opens up. If the valve itself is failing or hanging up the coil may not be able to move it properly and that is what your problem sounds like to me so far.

I was wondering if when you had the fluids changed if some trash got stuck in the diverter valve?

There is a chance of the fluids, I really don't know. I may have to go ask them again today what they thought was going on, maybe I misinterpreted but I'll get some more details. If they continue I may suggest them some of your ideas. Like I've said, I don't know much about the diverter stuff, so anything helps.

Thanks again

 

[Martian]

I just talked to the dealer. I must have misheard yesterday. He seems to think its something more like some of the ports are blocked. I didn't completely understand what he was saying, but does this sound more down the right line?

Oh, and they got the calcium out of the tires! Now I don't need to get those new rims on order

 

[dieselshadow]

Yes, that does sound more like the problem. It could even be a hose that has collapsed internally. Sounds to me like your going to have your 110 in good working order soon. :good2:


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[Martian]

Yes, that does sound more like the problem. It could even be a hose that has collapsed internally. Sounds to me like your going to have your 110 in good working order soon. :good2:

Good! And I sure hope so! I have a laundry list of things to do:thumbup1gif:

 

[56FordGuy]

Oh, and they got the calcium out of the tires! Now I don't need to get those new rims on order

Good call. :thumbup1gif:

I had to replace the wheels on my IH 424 due to calcium chloride that was put in years ago by a previous owner. Not only does that stuff eat the wheels if it ever leaks out of the tube, it'll do a number on the vegetation where it leaks out.

 

[Gwhunter]

Glad your finally getting somewhere, I was going to call BS on the electrical issue. But hopefully your dealer's got it under control.

Matt