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Some of you might have seen that my wife bought a new puppy to use for search and rescue. It will be a dual purpose search dog, live find/cadaver. She currently runs a dog owned by the search and rescue and really enjoys it. The search and rescue team accepted my wife as a full member and she is taking the next step with this new puppy. She is a stay at home mom so this venture is great for her as it gets her away from the house and some adult interaction. We have two boys(3yrs/5yrs old), so she needs some away time.

Anywho...Now to the kennel build. I searched and found a bazzilion different options for structures, flooring types, fencing etc... I ultimately went with a simple shed roof large enough to overlap the two 10'x10' kennels on all sides by 2'. The floor I sloped towards a natural wet weather ditch that runs behind it. I laid down geotech fabric for the bottom layer then built a 10'x10' frame out of 2x4's and filled with gravel. I then spread river sand over the gravel and washed it into the cracks of the gravel to filled the voids to really lock in the gravel. Tommorow I should get my shipment of 11'X17' Stall Saver Matts in. They are made for horse stalls and are permeable(Not the thick rubber stall matts typically seen at TSC) so that when the dog uses the bathroom it flows through to the gravel/sand bed below, thus keeping the general area clean. When the dog goes #2, simply scrape it up and wash the matting down and all is clean again. So far everything is going very smooth. Drains extremely well, water hose at full stream just dissappears.

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More pics...I know how you all like pics.:yahoo:
 

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Nice looking dogs. The puppy is the one you own and the other belong to the search and rescue team correct? I like the way you have the kennels laid out. It must have been a lot of work. I admire people like your wife who give of them selves and they provide a needed service. Good luck.
 

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Nice looking dogs. The puppy is the one you own and the other belong to the search and rescue team correct? I like the way you have the kennels laid out. It must have been a lot of work. I admire people like your wife who give of them selves and they provide a needed service. Good luck.
The larger one in the pic is just a personal protection/companion dog. Her name is Denali. Denali and the new search rescue pup Hudson will stay in the Kennels. My wife runs a dog named Deborah(Not pictured above), it is owned by the search and rescue. Sorry for the confusion.
 

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That's pretty spiffy!

How much time do they spend out there vs in the house with you?
Hudson (puppy) will spend the majority of the time in the kennel. Denali will only be in the kennel when we are not home. Hudson is technically Denali's brother. Same mother/different father. Denali went through ALLOT of obedience training and bite work training so she's cool to stay in the house.

The new pup Hudson won't be trained in anything for the first 8 months. No correcting of any kind. We want the dogs drive as high as possible, then we focus all that energy and begin training. This is not my training method. I'm not a dog trainer. It's what a NAPWDA Master trainer is telling us to do and will be doing most of the training. By the time the dog is 8 months it will be a nightmare to have inside the house. If it jumps on the couch we can't tell him no because we would want him to in a search application. If he would get into the trash we couldn't correct him for that either, he might be tracking towards a pile of trash with evidence in it and stop because he had been corrected in the past. It's no just finding people that are lost, it may be finding blood spatter in a house that may have been cleaned up but the DNA is still there. Then the father of a dead 2 yr old finally confessed to killing 2yr old. Happened last month. The new pup Hudson is going to be intense, may come inside if the weather get cold/too hot but that's it.
 

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Is it too late to add a cesspool ??
It would be great to have something to capture the run-off during cleanup,,
 

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Is it too late to add a cesspool ??
It would be great to have something to capture the run-off during cleanup,,

No it's not too late and I have thought about that. Mainly to wash out solid waste as the water and dog urine would just flow through the matting and into the gravel/sand substrate. When it gets smelly than a Clorox wash down would take care of it. What I would do it add a wash out slot in the back of each kennel where a flared PVC boot on a 4" pipe would be. Then run a 4" PVC pipe along backside of the kennel to a double plastic barrel with leach field. A little more than I want to accomplish at the moment. Would be easy to add in the future. Great minds think alike:bigthumb:
 

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Wow, an untrained 8 month old GSD is going to be a handful! Glad it's yours and not mine. :laugh:

The BMC trainer dudes do something similar but not as extreme. They kennel as pups for the first 6 months and only interact with the dogs in the woods so that they're not all bonded to the human and will run "deep" to seek out coon/hogs/whatever and bay or tree them. Once the dog is covering ground and knows that's what's expected of it afield, then they start bonding with them and bringing them inside what have you.

I guess this is the distinction between a working dog and a working family pet. Vinnie works when he's watching kiddo for me, and sniffing out stuff (we're working on locating items, and I hope to get him trained to track specific scent), but he lives on the couch when I'm around or next to the Mrs. or on his chair when I'm not. He sleeps next to me in bed every night, etc. I don't think I could do the hands-off approach; I just want to play with all of them all the time. :lol:
 

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Very similar indeed. We will definitely be interacting with Hudson on a family level once the 8-10 month period is over. We have young kids and don't want an accident. When scent training starts, so does the obedience training. Can't wait. But the dog still needs to stay outside as he will tear apart the house. Our friend has a dual purpose search dog and it got in the house one time and it was on the counter. Not just paws, the entire dog, walking and sniffing the cabinets. All she could do was call him down saying, come here boy, and he jumped down and she lead him out of the house. No correcting things like that.
 

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Very similar indeed. We will definitely be interacting with Hudson on a family level once the 8-10 month period is over. We have young kids and don't want an accident. When scent training starts, so does the obedience training. Can't wait. But the dog still needs to stay outside as he will tear apart the house. Our friend has a dual purpose search dog and it got in the house one time and it was on the counter. Not just paws, the entire dog, walking and sniffing the cabinets. All she could do was call him down saying, come here boy, and he jumped down and she lead him out of the house. No correcting things like that.
Haaa an untrained 8mo old GSD will be a monster :laugh::LOL: I understand why it's being done but man he will be a devil! My boy is purebred GSD and just broke 2yrs. Luckily he was pretty good, but I could not imagine never saying no, let alone leaving my boy outside for nearly 8 months. Goodluck with the new adventure...I really dig the pups new residence though.

Your structure looks similar to the framing that my breeder did. His dogs all live outside.

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It will be a nightmare for the first 8 months but it is really awesome to see these dogs in action and how well they preform their duties. These European Working lines are amazing and very dedicated to any task that is asked of them. Both of our dogs parents are from Europe. Germany/Slovakia/Holland. They have very strick breeding law's and produce very capable, sound dogs. Not saying that all other types of GSD are inferior, just that European Working lines are bred for working.

It is very difficult to raise and own these high drive European Working lines. I caution anyone that is looking to buy one for a family pet. They need/must have extensive training to focus all the energy they have to a specific task. Even our Personal protection/companion dog Denali has maintenance training quarterly. It is also important to socialize these dogs so they know that not all people are bad. Our UPS driver laughed when I said Denali is a personal protection dog. He said she is the sweetest dog. I said to try his luck coming by tonight or I could just give a command and she would have no problem showing you her skills. I wouldn't do that because she would likely see him as a threat in the future.

The new pup Hudson will have no bite work training at all. Mouthing will be corrected. He needs to be very social as he will be encountering many different people/animals during his searches.

Some interesting info on the different types of GSD

German Shepherd German Show Lines vs German Working Lines vs American Lines
 

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VERY interesting stuff about the dogs, Big!!

We just got a new Police Dog at the Township PD. It was born in Germany and brought over here. There's a German guy that lives here in the Township that trains dogs that end up all over the country. I'll have to ask the handler if he knows anything about the first year of the dog's life.
 
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