Even Cleaner Diesels Coming!
Looks like eventually you won't even be able to smell your tractor running. Here's an new article from Deere.
John Deere Announces Final Tier 4/Stage IV Engine Technology Path
John Deere Announces Final Tier 4/Stage IV Engine Technology Path
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NOT COOL! By your tractor now. EGR, DOC's, and DPF's..... they equal $$$$$$$
I do not see why a DPF is needed on a 74 hp and smaller tractor. In the big picture, how much pollution do they cause.
I do not see why a DPF is needed on a 74 hp and smaller tractor. In the big picture, how much pollution do they cause.
I couldn't agree more. The EPA is going to far. :treehugger: Don't get me wrong, I'm all for clean and non-polluting, but at what cost? How many small tractors do you see out there belching out clouds of smoke? We can spend umpteen millions of dollars on pollution equipment just to have many countries around the world not give a crap. Essentially they can offset the emissions from 100 or more of our tractors with just 1 of their own. How effective is that?NOT COOL! By your tractor now. EGR, DOC's, and DPF's..... they equal $$$$$$$
I do not see why a DPF is needed on a 74 hp and smaller tractor. In the big picture, how much pollution do they cause.
Sorry about the rant,:soapbox: The EPA has really damaged a lot of businesses with over regulating. You and I pay for that in so many ways...
While your adding up the dollars don't forget to add all the electronics that are going to be needed. A fully electronic 1026r?NOT COOL! By your tractor now. EGR, DOC's, and DPF's..... they equal $$$$$$$
I do not see why a DPF is needed on a 74 hp and smaller tractor. In the big picture, how much pollution do they cause.
For what its worth my Cummins has all this emissions stuff and I've never had an issue other than it burns more fuel. Sounds contradictory doesn't it.
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It kills me that they are going after lawn mowers, chainsaws, cars, tractors and all kinds of small engines when just a couple of super tankers put out more emissions than all the small stuff combined. Just hang out at the local jet port too. Where are the Tier IV ocean liners and Jet Aircraft...... Don't forget to add the cost of the DEF to your hourly fuel burn costs and the fuel cost of your pickup....
Cleaning up emissions is good but they are missing the forest for the scrub brush in this case...
Cleaning up emissions is good but they are missing the forest for the scrub brush in this case...
DEF (urea) is cheap compared to replacing a DPF! All of these items are driving the cost up on a more fuel efficient engine.
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I'm just glad I got what I want. I won't be getting a new tractor for a long time - probably wait till just before Tier V comes out! I think Tier IV is bad, I don't want to think of what they will have for Tier V.
If you have any need for a new tractor in the foreseeable future, you'd best buy now - some say we may see a $2000+ surcharge across the line. That means the little x749 will now be $2000 more - for a computer controlled engine!
If you have any need for a new tractor in the foreseeable future, you'd best buy now - some say we may see a $2000+ surcharge across the line. That means the little x749 will now be $2000 more - for a computer controlled engine!
Bad News
mmmmm...
So, in fifteen or twenty years when I'm in the market again, I'll have a choice between solar or electric tractors... :lol:
I have a theory that regulation isn't really about making the world safer or greener. It's simply about control.
my 2 cents
Matt
mmmmm...
So, in fifteen or twenty years when I'm in the market again, I'll have a choice between solar or electric tractors... :lol:
I have a theory that regulation isn't really about making the world safer or greener. It's simply about control.
my 2 cents
Matt
I like the way you think Matt!:drinks:mmmmm...
So, in fifteen or twenty years when I'm in the market again, I'll have a choice between solar or electric tractors... :lol:
I have a theory that regulation isn't really about making the world safer or greener. It's simply about control.
my 2 cents
Matt
SCR does not save the DPF directly. SCR is for reduction of NOX and the DPF is a soot trap. the only advantage of SCR is by not using as much cooled EGR there is a small reduction in soot production(with the added cost of another fluid level to maintain). the reduction in soot production reduces active regeneration frequency which uses fuel to function(I.E. wasted fuel for emissions purposes). Therefore a increase in fuel efficiency. I am in the market for a new truck and I am waiting for a '13 Ram (which has SCR ) for increased fuel mileage.DEF (urea) is cheap compared to replacing a DPF! All of these items are driving the cost up on a more fuel efficient engine.
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Replacement of the exhaust aftertreatment system on my current truck('-07.5Ram) is $6K! Too bad it is all laying in my shed! the new engines are going to be more complex with the additionof SCR
I agree.mmmmm...
So, in fifteen or twenty years when I'm in the market again, I'll have a choice between solar or electric tractors... :lol:
I have a theory that regulation isn't really about making the world safer or greener. It's simply about control.
my 2 cents
Matt
I am also with you on this one!mmmmm...
I have a theory that regulation isn't really about making the world safer or greener. It's simply about control.
my 2 cents
Matt
I am fully with you on what it does and is. I think you read that post, and I might have wrote it wrong, out of context. I was stating that the new diesels are not cheap to maintain at all and that i would rather buy urea than a dpf.... I know they are not related to each other, but people complained about the expanse of purchasing another fluid, when the real expense on these engines is not the fluid, but the dpf and exhaust system that will wear out over time.SCR does not save the DPF directly. SCR is for reduction of NOX and the DPF is a soot trap. the only advantage of SCR is by not using as much cooled EGR there is a small reduction in soot production(with the added cost of another fluid level to maintain). the reduction in soot production reduces active regeneration frequency which uses fuel to function(I.E. wasted fuel for emissions purposes). Therefore a increase in fuel efficiency. I am in the market for a new truck and I am waiting for a '13 Ram (which has SCR ) for increased fuel mileage.
Replacement of the exhaust aftertreatment system on my current truck('-07.5Ram) is $6K! Too bad it is all laying in my shed! the new engines are going to be more complex with the additionof SCR
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