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Used up my last spool today of .030" MIG wire, just curious what everybody else likes...

I have been running Hobart (Made in China) ER70S-6 that I have been buying at TSC.
 

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True Lincoln wire! Night and day difference over the AirGas house brand Radnor, ironically made by Harris/Lincoln at the time I bought my Miller 210.
 

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Thanks Matt, I will have to see what the LWS has in stock-and of course at what price!

With all the weldor's on the site (NOT Pete of course:laugh:) I kind of expected more responses:unknown:
 

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I run .030 Hobart also..... But I have been running flux core since I have been using mine while in the field and stuff. Easier to travel with.
 

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Kenny:

I got my Lincoln wire at Home Despot of all places. It was a weekend when I ran out of the Radnor crap, and I needed to finish up something before the wife got home from visiting her parents, so off to HD I went.
 

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Matt, I have never seen 10lb spools at HD, just the 2lb spools. Maybe I just missed it because I never looked hard at the welding supplies there.
 

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Update

I stopped at HD today, they only had 10lb spools of flux-core wire, Made in the USA and priced at about $64.00. They did have 2lb spools of the L-56 solid core wire Made in Mexico, didn't look at the price since I can't use 2lb spools.

Then I stopped at Lowe's, they had a 12.5lb spool of the L-56 wire for $42.xx, just over $45.00 with tax. Where is it made? :confused::unknown: Take a look at the picture:lol:

I think the Hobart wire was about $30 for a 10lb spool back in April.
 

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Yep, that looks like the label that was on my box of Lincoln wire.
 

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Why is NOTHING ever easy? The Lincoln L56 spool will not easliy fit the MM210 Welder!

So, how did they fit 12.5lbs of wire on a 10lb spool? Well, they made the ID of the spool smaller that's how. When they did this they obviously could not make the hole that engages the drive dog very deep, and that causes the spool to wobble like crazy.

First picture, the hole on a regular 10lb wire spool:
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Second picture, the "hole" or rather depression on the Lincoln 12.5lb wire spool:
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So, I made two spacers from 2" PVC pipe, the first one on the inside (bad picture, sorry) keeps the spool from wobbling and still allows a small part of the drive dog to engage the depression on the spool-it's about 1/4" or 3/8" thick:
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After I made that, the drive dog was still slipping out of the depression and the spool was going off-axis, a loud "clunk" was heard also as the spool rotated. What a PITA this was turning into. So then I made another spacer for the outside, about 1" maybe to apply more pressure to the spool to keep it engaged on the drive dog. This seemed to work well, I welded up 33 hooks and all seemed OK.
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So, after all this, my impression of the Lincoln L56 wire was pretty good. There was a little less splatter from it compared to the Hobart wire from TSC-and that was what I wanted to try the new wire for. The welds looked just a little better as well.
 

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So, how did they fit 12.5lbs of wire on a 10lb spool? Well, they made the ID of the spool smaller that's how. When they did this they obviously could not make the hole that engages the drive dog very deep, and that causes the spool to wobble like crazy.

First picture, the hole on a regular 10lb wire spool:
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Second picture, the "hole" or rather depression on the Lincoln 12.5lb wire spool:
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So, I made two spacers from 2" PVC pipe, the first one on the inside (bad picture, sorry) keeps the spool from wobbling and still allows a small part of the drive dog to engage the depression on the spool-it's about 1/4" or 3/8" thick:
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After I made that, the drive dog was still slipping out of the depression and the spool was going off-axis, a loud "clunk" was heard also as the spool rotated. What a PITA this was turning into. So then I made another spacer for the outside, about 1" maybe to apply more pressure to the spool to keep it engaged on the drive dog. This seemed to work well, I welded up 33 hooks and all seemed OK.
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So, after all this, my impression of the Lincoln L56 wire was pretty good. There was a little less splatter from it compared to the Hobart wire from TSC-and that was what I wanted to try the new wire for. The welds looked just a little better as well.
Clever solution to your problem Kenny.

I've always bought Lincoln wire, tried others but I like Lincoln's best.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-u...WWires-SuperArc-SuperArcL-56(LincolnElectric)

Lincoln's American made wire~

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/en-us/consumables/Pages/american-made.aspx
 

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Oh good grief, so much for standards. If you need someone to pen a snotty-gram to Lincoln, let me know Kenny. I sure didn't have that reel problem when I bought my Lincoln wire last year.

What you describe with the weld quality is what sold me on using Lincoln wire.
 

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Oh good grief, so much for standards. If you need someone to pen a snotty-gram to Lincoln, let me know Kenny. I sure didn't have that reel problem when I bought my Lincoln wire last year.

What you describe with the weld quality is what sold me on using Lincoln wire.
Was it a 12.5lb spool?
 

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7014, 7018 or 6013. That's all I have to say.:lol:
 

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Was it a 12.5lb spool?
I don't know and I no longer have the box to check. I do remember the spool label is on the backside where it's unreadable when in the machine.
 

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I don't know and I no longer have the box to check. I do remember the spool label is on the backside where it's unreadable when in the machine.
My label is that way also. I would be curious next time you have a chance to check if it's the 12.5pd spool or a 10lb one and also the type of hole it has to engage the dog.
 

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I'll do my best to keep that in mind Kenny; but no promises as I don't go through much wire in a year.
 

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I've had success with lincoln super arc. I go through two 33lbers of .035 and two to three 33lbers of .045 a week at work, all superarc. They sent me sure arc one time and the pulsed mig machine we have didnt care for it in the root pass. The supply house said sure arc is only cleaned once and super arc is cleaned three times. At any rate i give a thumbs up to lincoln super arc L-56.



although i stand behind gizmo's e7018 suggestion, can't beat a stick electrode sometimes.
 

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Darn it!

I just bought an 11lb spool of Esab E70S-6 .030 for $27 at Airgas. I also broke down and got another 11lb roll of P/3 (Radnor's new name?) E70S-6 .035 for $25. They would've had to order the Lincoln L-56 wire.:thumbsdown: Unfortunately I needed it now. I figured it was cheap. Well I got home looked inside the welder to see what wire I was running that give me so much spatter. Radnor ER70S-6!:banghead: I should have ordered and waited for the Lincoln wire.


The roll that's been giving me fits is over 4 years old and was exposed to high levels of humidity for long periods while I was in-between garages. It looks ok, but I noticed some rust dust under the feed rollers. Maybe I'm not terribly unlucky and the new wire will be fine. I'll post some pics of welds with both wires later.

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Thanks for bringing this back to the top DS....I must of missed this the first time around. I will be needing some more wire in my 5 month old 212 soon. Since I dont know anyone else that welds and I obviously dont use very much....this info would have taken me years to realize on my own......if I ever would. I just dont have any comparables, so I figure the spatter ,etc. would be normal and not realize it could be better. Thanks again!
 
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