[XSKIER]

I've been searching for two days straight to find the post that has the parts list and DTAC for a restrictor in one of the curl cylinder lines. I'm not in any need of it, but I want to try it out to see if it makes a difference. Can any one remember where that post is? Thanks.

 

[XSKIER]

Found it on TBN, thanks!

So I just got back from the dealer and found out I'm not crazy. They have had other complaints about it and they do have a fix for it. If I understand it correct they will be installing a check valve in the rod end of the bucket hose and that will prevent the problem. I probably shouldn't post this but I will, the DTAC solution number is 35065, so if you talk to your dealer reference that number. Here is a picture of the diagram they showed me, sorry its poor quality.

<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=267642"/>

 

[Troutsniffer]

I've found that if you toggle the joystick to the right before you back up to grade the problem is solved. No more floppy bucket.

 

[Ransx77]

Add my name to the list....not just that it goes limp when you most need it, like when you are removing a pallet of 500lbs of stones from the back of your SUV and you try to curl it back a little and it gives you the finger and rolls forward instead....and I really feel like this loader doesn't have nearly as much power to lift as I would've expected.

Hopefully JD announces real soon that the new part they've been testing for 6 months is available!! I best put the dealer on notice about this now!

 

[Ransx77]

Had my 1026r in the shop for the 50 hr service (at 72 hrs, oops. coordinating a trailer and the time, and the "away time" was just plain complicated, and the grass kept growing...

Anyway, one of the items on my list was to make sure the dealer knew about the FBS. When I picked it up he told me that puts some forks on it and tried and out, and then he guffawed and said, "...and it sure was floppy! That's a serious issue, I've contacted the factory and filed a "_______" (I can't remember what he called it) with them." So we are now on the books. I was happy that he acknowledged the problem.

$340 for the 50hr service......REALLY?

 

[MrZeeno]

Likewise, for sure

Moving and grading a dump truckload of gravel was a frustrating two-hour experience today because of the FBS. The only thing worse would be a FPS, but at least there's an oral medication that (mostly) can cure that.

 

[HydroHarold]

Had my 1026r in the shop for the 50 hr service...

$340 for the 50hr service......REALLY?

Do you know for sure if, for that amount of money, they changed your hydraulic/transmission fluid? According to what I'm reading around here some dealers do not think this is important or it's plain too expensive for them (pick one).

 

[Ransx77]

Yes they did, to the tune of $81 in fluid! But they didn't change the oil. Said on the receipt: "First Oil Change at 150hrs due to break-in". I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. At least the changed the oil filter.

 

[HydroHarold]

Yes they did, to the tune of $81 in fluid! But they didn't change the oil. Said on the receipt: "First Oil Change at 150hrs due to break-in". I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. At least the changed the oil filter.

The fluid $ is well worth it! According to all the official paper, engine oil is supposed to be break in type for 150hrs... But I can agree with a 50 hour change unless JD feels the oil filter can handle anything solid in the oil. Break in oil certainly won't be "go bad" before 150hrs as long as it's not run below the "Add" mark.

As far as I'm concerned, that 50hr. transmission oil change is the most important maintenance item in the book for the 10xx's considering what we know about that "water situation". Mine has the new filler/cap and the oil looks stellar, but it's coming O-U-T at 50hrs for sure anyway. Erring on the side of mechanical safety,$81 bucks is the cost of doing green business.:laugh:

 

[Ransx77]

No argument Harold. I also have the filler cap repair already done and my fluid was clean. They changed the fluid 35 hours ago when they did the repair for the filler cap so this is actually my 2nd trans fluid change.

Above I referred to the FBS issue, and I wanted to correct that as per Kennyd's explaination, I actually have Droopy Bucket Syndrome (DBS) that I'm dealing with.

 

[HydroHarold]

"...I actually have Droopy Bucket Syndrome (DBS) that I'm dealing with."

Yes, I have that also. Waiting for JD's "little blue pill" fix for that as well. I think if they go with that simple "restrictor valve" in the SCV DTAC it may fix one or the other... and just maybe the "re-gen" feature goes away. It's not all that time saving anyway. I want to buy forks and I won't do it until DBS is totally eliminated.

 

[Ransx77]

I heard back from the dealer this morning via email, this is what he wrote:

"RANDY,I heard back from deere yesterday, here is the way they are handling the issue,,as of 07/26/13, deere said that the loader valve was designed to work with the forks only at wide open throttle. 3200 rpm this gives the unit more flow to prevent forks dropping before raising so they want each unit to be run at full throttle to see if forks still drop before raising, if they still drop then they want us to install a new loader valve on tractor,,,,,,,,,,, so if you would retest it at full throttle and let me know I can get a valve on order,,,,,,,, thanks,,,"

I told him that I always use max throttle, but I would go home and experiment some tonight and let hime know.

 

[Gizmo2]

I heard back from the dealer this morning via email, this is what he wrote:

I told him that I always use max throttle, but I would go home and experiment some tonight and let hime know.

I don't understand what forks have to do with anything?

 

[Kennyd]

I don't understand what forks have to do with anything?

They stick out further, placing more leverage on the cylinders so it's more noticable. Your more likely to be trying to do a "precision" lift as well with the forks rather than the bucket where youd notice this drop before curl or DBS.

 

[Kennyd]

I heard back from the dealer this morning via email, this is what he wrote:

I told him that I always use max throttle, but I would go home and experiment some tonight and let hime know.

Randy, the problem your are addressing is the DBS issue, this thread was about the FBS issue. I am not trying to split hairs, just desperately trying to keep the two issue's separate as they are technically unrelated.

(Yes, I saw where you noted this difference above-THANKS!) Just reiterating my point with this reply)

http://www.greentractortalk.com/for...-tractors-scut/9366-fbs-dbs-explanations.html

 

[Gizmo2]

They stick out further, placing more leverage on the cylinders so it's more noticable. Your more likely to be trying to do a "precision" lift as well with the forks rather than the bucket where youd notice this drop before curl or DBS.

:think: Don't both the FBS and the DBS occur with the bucket also?

 

[Ransx77]

Sorry Kenny, you are absolutely right it is DBS I am speeaking of, and I guess I hijacked the FBS thread, my bad.

 

[Kennyd]

:think: Don't both the FBS and the DBS occur with the bucket also?

Yes, but...
DBS is more noticeable with forks for the reasons I mentioned above, and FBS is more noticeable with the bucket since your doing more digging/backblading operations.

 

[Gizmo2]

Yes, but...
DBS is more noticeable with forks for the reasons I mentioned above, and FBS is more noticeable with the bucket since your doing more digging/backblading operations.

Yes I know all that. But the email Ransx77 received made it sound like it only happens with the use of forks.
I think JD is skirting the issue.

 

[HydroHarold]

I think JD is skirting the issue.

And treading water... IF JD wanted honestly to address this issue (BOTH issues related to the SCV bucket function) they should be getting out ahead of it. A letter to the OWNERS regarding what they are doing for the problem and WHEN it's going to be fixed. I do not like to be considered among the owners that are unaware that this is a FACTORY DEFECT whom JD is allowing to go along thinking "it's just how this thing works."

As I have said before, if you're not connected to this forum (possibly other forums [I wouldn't know about those]) and if you have a dealer that is looking past the issue you could be in the "World Of Hurt" down the road. Now is the time to open communication right from John Deere and get it recognized by all owners. Some could say this honesty might make JD look slightly "less than stellar" in the marketplace, but it would go a very long way to keeping owners and possible customers involved in their otherwise fine product. What Kubota might do with it in their advertising would be far outstripped by the benefit to JD. Orange can't come close to what JD has in the 10XX series so JD shouldn't worry!