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Help me with trailer tie down points on trailer

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#1 ·
It looks as if I’ll be needing to haul my 2025R about 150 each way to do some landscape work and fence building. I haven’t needed to haul it anywhere during my time of ownership. My trailer isn’t set up the best for hauling something like that down the interstate for a couple hours.
I’d rather use chains than straps so I’m planning to purchase some new Grade 70 chains and tighteners (boomers or whatever you want to call them).
Now on to the trailer question. I need to add tie down points. Would it be better to weld on D rings and use a chain hook with a latch like these
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Or weld on stake pockets like these and just use regular Grade 70 hooks on both ends?
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My trailer has the uprights and rail around the edges. Normally I just hook a strap into the bottom of the upright angle or hook to top rail but with the tractor I want it to be secure as possible.
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Let me know what you think!
 
#2 ·
Stake pockets would be stronger than D rings. (think of the inches of welding). Stake pockets should be welded inside and out. Stake pockets would complement what you already have on that trailer.
PM me if you need more info.
 
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#3 ·
Can you not reach around under the frame rails?


I'm a fan of D rings
I also like stake pockets ....IF..they are big enough to let the hook slide through and back up to hook on top.
 
#11 ·
I also like stake pockets ....IF..they are big enough to let the hook slide through and back up to hook on top.
Bingo.

Since I also use 2" ratchet straps to secure some things, the hooks will not pass through the stake pockets.

D-Rings or stake pockets was the main thing I was hoping to get some opinions about.
I use have & use both. If they are properly attached, both are capable / equal tie down points and having both gives you lots of options.

I have an equipment trailer that does not have side rails. It came with stake pockets only, but they were not in the right spots for where I liked to position the tractor and as I stated above, the hooks on my ratchet straps will not pass through them, so I added D rings to the top of the frame rail.

I loaded my tractor in the sweet spot for a balanced load & then laid out where I wanted the tie down points for the front and rear of the tractor. I welded the D-rings in those spots & added another set in front & rear corners as well.

I use @Kennyd 's Twist Lock hooks on one end of each of my chains. The other end has the standard grab hook. The Twist Lock hook is way better than the typical little PITA sheet metal tab.

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I also have ratchet straps with chain hooks similar to these. I use two of these to secure the front of the tractor & then chain & ratchet binders on the rear. They will attach to either the D-rings or the stake pockets.

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Typically I secure the implements with regular 2" ratchet straps.

Overkill is never a bad thing when securing a load and having to many tie down points is never a bad thing either.
 
#6 ·
I use straps. 10k (gross, 2500lbs ea) rated car straps.

Pricey but absolutely love the quality.
Macs custom tie downs. Google it.
+1 on Mac's. Been using them for years
 
#5 · (Edited)
I use straps all the way up to my cab 4066R.
I don’t bust out the chains and boomers till i need to move one of my 5 series. My Dealr had to pickup my 4066R a few weeks ago, and I noticed they too, used straps.

Here is my 3046R, and 2025R being trailered.

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#19 ·
My problem with straps is that they fray, and a damaged strap should be thrown away. I have both straps and chains/binders; D-rings and Stake products. Prefer chains and binders (ratchet type) for their durability and they don't loosen up in transport.
Totally agree with the Duke - stake pockets need to be big enough to drop the chain hook through and hook onto the bottom of the stake pocket. Be careful doubling the chain back on itself - that reduces the capacity.
 
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#14 ·
A trailer like that, I would probably add stake pockets. Actually, I might try to add both.

On my 1025R I have a clevis in the back that I hook my straps to.

Using a weld on D-ring like you picture above, I welded it on a plate and bolted it to the front where a weight bracket would go. That allows for a mounting point up front and not hooking the FEL.

I haul in my dump trailer and it has welded D-rings in the inside corners, along with 1 each side I added. It also has stake pockets on the outside.
 
#16 ·
As a reference to what I mentioned above.

This is the tie down bracket I made for the front of my 1025R. Foui bolts may be overkill but I used the factory holes.

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Looks good. On the front I was planning to just place the hooks over the frame rails. Often times I run suitcase weights on the front when doing dirt work or running rear PTO attachments.
 
#17 ·
Not what you asked about, but a very important reminder now that you are transporting the tractor via trailer some distance for the first real time........

1. - Don't forget to carry either one of these Trailer Aids or a floor jack with you on your trip as usually, the tow vehicles jack won't work for safely or easily lifting the trailer when changing a flat along the expressway.


Same with a 4 way wrench or specific long handled ratchet, extension and socket to fit the lug nuts on the trailer. Got to get the lugs off and usually, the trailer lugs are not the same size as the tow vehicles. Plus the lug wrench for many tow vehicles is part of the stowed away jack equipment and hard to easily get out and put back.

When you need to address a flat tire along the road when traveling, you want the process as safe and as easy as possible, not to mention completed quickly.

These are ideal to have for safely carrying floor jacks in trailers or the back of trucks. Floor jacks are heavy and of course, on wheels and you don't want one loose in the back of the truck or not well secured to the trailer. I use this holder for floor jacks on my trailers and its a great way to safely and securely transport these critically important tools.


Even unloading and loading the tractor on the trailer, the floor jack can be very helpful in supporting the back of the trailer to help minimize the loading deflection of the trailer and the stress it puts on the trucks hitch.

Mount the floor jack holder on the trailer bed and then a small bungee cord will hold the jack into the mount and also, hold the jack handle from moving about. On enclosed trailers, I use the floor jack mount and the handle is secured up against the tool box next to the jack location. On open trailers, I usually removed the jack handle and secured it on the trailer deck next to the jack mounts.

And of course, carry at least one spare tire for the trailer. Can't tell you how many times tandem or triple axle trailer tires get multiple flats on the same side when something is hit in the roadway..........Personally, I had two flats on my triple axle trailer tires twice when hauling long distances. Once, I was in Minot, ND and the other time, In between Southern Missouri and Batesville, Arkansas

The Minot, ND is a long ways between tire repair / sales facilities for the large radial tires on my trailer. Having two spare tires allowed me to repair both flats at the same time and I immediately went to Good Year and bought two new tires for the next spares. Actually, I bought 4 new tires and used the best two take offs, which were still at 80% + tread as my new spares.

I noticed there was no spare bolted to your trailers front sides or tongue area in the picture posted, so make sure to either strap one down on the trailer or put one or more in the bed of the truck.

When you have a flat on these utility trailers, the handling on the trailer gets very bad, very quickly, especially at highway speeds. You want to be able to quickly and safely make the repairs and having what you need is critical to getting back on the road.

Be safe on your travels.............
 
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First regardless of using the Duke's post as a reference - should not have done that - just to get the kind of blowback you gave me please note the following:
Second, I am a court DOT/FMCSA recognized expert witness in transportation, - load securement being only one aspect of my expertise. I posted to inform & save accidents/possible injury or worse.

"Drivers will sometimes wrap a chain completely around a stake pocket or drop the chain into the pocket and pull it up along one side of the pocket. This can exert more stress on one side than the other."
The bold lettering is not mine.
"Chain is designed to have its rated Working Load Limit - WLL - when the links are aligned - translation straight.
Bending the chain reduces the WLL." Kinking/twisting, reduces the WLL even more.
The chain links do not have the same tensile strength all the way around the link. They are strongest at the ends of the link.

"Update 2020. Now let’s drive the point home with this testing example from YouTube. Thank you Bao (from the comment below). The video shows a lab test pulling chains to break — one that is straight, and one twisted. They have a severely twisted chain (like some trailers do), and it breaks with approximately 30% of the force! That’s much weaker than I would have thought. His test says you loose about 70% of the chain strength by twisting it all up! That’s HUGE! (Watch the chains as they break to see how they fail. I find it fascinating.)
I have to leave this for now but will return, probably tomorrow or within a few days with more and a photo or two from the ranch to show how I secure a load with chains, binders and stake pockets."
FEA analysis of a chain link.
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#23 ·
Drivers will sometimes wrap a chain completely around a stake pocket or drop the chain into the pocket and pull it up along one side of the pocket. This can exert more stress on one side than the other.
Not exactly following what you’re saying is correct and incorrect in regards to using a stake pocket with chain hooks. Can you elaborate?
 
#25 ·
I prefer the D rings when using straps, but I prefer the stake pockets for chains.

That’s how I would decide if I was adding something to the trailer. The method would determine the direction.
 
#26 ·
If you go stake pockets and you could literally hang the OP'S tractor off one chain and a pocket. So if you got 4 chains tied down, without them twisted of course, you'll be more than fine. Put them however you like through the stake pocket. I prefer going through them and back on top like @theduke suggested earlier in this thread. That way if the chain binder does loosen its still hooked.

If you just feed through the stake pocket and hook to the bottom of the pocket it "could" come unhooked "if" the binder loosens. Iv done both and everything is good. But I use straps for my tractor. Chains are for my heavier equipment and large generators I tow weekly.
 
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  • Suggested reading for all. Please scroll down
  • I will highlight this text for all later in the week.
  • Please note that most "1/2" ton pickups, towing a loaded (with a 1025 tractor (1444#) loader & bucket (541#) steel tandem flatbed trailer is over 10,000# which makes all the FMCSA regs apply. (Add fluids etc and we get closer to the real life weight. Therefore in this configuration you are driving a commercial motor vehicle.
  • Rub rails are not tie down points - more on that later.
  • Ratchet binders are far superior to the lever type - more on that later as well.
  • Always keep your individual WLL and combined/aggregate WLL in mind.

  1. Cargo Securement


Cargo Securement Rules
Background
On September 27, 2002, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) published new cargo securement rules. Motor carriers operating in interstate commerce must comply with the new requirements beginning January 1, 2004. The new rules are based on the North American Cargo Securement Standard Model Regulations, reflecting the results of a multi-year research program to evaluate U.S. and Canadian cargo securement regulations; the motor carrier industry's best practices; and recommendations presented during a series of public meetings involving U.S. and Canadian industry experts, Federal, State and Provincial enforcement officials, and other interested parties. The new rules require motor carriers to change the way they use cargo securement devices to prevent articles from shifting on or within, or falling from commercial motor vehicles. The changes may require motor carriers to increase the number of tiedowns used to secure certain types of cargo. However, the rule generally does not prohibit the use of tiedowns or cargo securement devices currently in use. Therefore, motor carriers are not required to purchase new cargo securement equipment or vehicles to comply with the rule. The intent of the new requirements is to reduce the number of accidents caused by cargo shifting on or within, or falling from, commercial motor vehicles operating in interstate commerce, and to harmonize to the greatest extent practicable U.S., Canadian, and Mexican cargo securement regulations.
Applicability of the New Rules
The new cargo securement rules apply to the same types of vehicles and cargo as the old rules, covering all cargo-carrying commercial motor vehicles (as defined in 49 CFR 390.5) operated in interstate commerce. This includes all types of articles of cargo, except commodities in bulk that lack structure or fixed shape (e.g., liquids, gases, grain, liquid concrete, sand, gravel, aggregates) and are transported in a tank, hopper, box or similar device that forms part of the structure of a commercial motor vehicle.
Performance Criteria
FMCSA has adopted new performance requirements concerning deceleration in the forward direction, and acceleration in the rearward and lateral directions, that cargo securement systems must withstand. Deceleration is the rate at which the speed of the vehicle decreases when the brakes are applied, and acceleration is the rate at which the speed of the vehicle increases in the lateral direction or sideways (while the vehicle is turning), or in the rearward direction (when the vehicle is being driven in reverse and makes contact with a loading dock). Acceleration and deceleration values are commonly reported as a proportion of the acceleration due to gravity (g). This acceleration is about 9.8 meters/second/second (32.2 feet/second/second), which means that the velocity of an object dropped from a high elevation increases by approximately 9.8 meters/second (32.2 feet/second) each second it falls. FMCSA requires that cargo securement systems be capable of withstanding the forces associated with following three deceleration/accelerations, applied separately:
  1. 0.8 g deceleration in the forward direction;
  2. 0.5 g acceleration in the rearward direction; and
  3. 0.5 g acceleration in a lateral direction.
These values were chosen based on researchers' analysis of studies concerning commercial motor vehicle performance. The analysis indicated that the highest deceleration likely for an empty or lightly loaded vehicle with an antilock brake system, all brakes properly adjusted, and warmed to provide optimal braking performance, is in the range of 0.8-0.85 g. However, a typical loaded vehicle would not be expected to achieve a deceleration greater than 0.6 g on a dry road. The typical lateral acceleration while driving in a curve or on a ramp at the posted advisory speed is in the range 0.05-0.17 g. Loaded vehicles with a high center of gravity roll over at a lateral acceleration above 0.35 g. Lightly loaded vehicles, or heavily loaded vehicles with a lower center of gravity, may withstand lateral acceleration forces greater than 0.5 g.
Generally, motor carriers are not required to conduct testing of cargo securement systems to determine compliance with the performance requirements. The new rules explicitly state that cargo immobilized or secured in accordance with the general securement rules, or the commodity-specific rules, are considered to meet the performance criteria.
Requirements for Securement Devices
The new rules require that all devices and systems used to secure cargo to or within a vehicle must be capable of meeting the performance criteria. All vehicle structures, systems, parts and components used to secure cargo must be in proper working order when used to perform that function with no damaged or weakened components that could adversely affect their performance. The cargo securement rules incorporate by reference manufacturing standards for certain types of tiedowns including steel strapping, chain, synthetic webbing, wire rope, and cordage. FMCSA has updated the rules to reference the November 15, 1999, version of the National Association of Chain Manufacturers (NACM) Welded Steel Chain Specifications. The agency notes that some of the working load limit values in the 1999 version differ slightly from the previous edition of this publication. Also, the 1999 version includes working load limits for a new grade of alloy chain, grade 100. The agency also changed its reference for synthetic webbing from the 1991 edition to the 1998 edition of the Web Sling and Tiedown Association's publication. Generally, the working load limits are the same as those in the 1991 publication. Changes in the references do not necessarily mean the older securement devices need to be replaced. Motor carriers are not required to replace tiedown devices purchased prior to January 1, 2004. If the tiedowns satisfied the old rules, the devices should also satisfy the new rules.
Proper Use of Tiedowns
T
he new regulations require each tiedown to be attached and secured in a manner that prevents it from becoming loose, unfastening, opening or releasing while the vehicle is in transit. All tiedowns and other components of a cargo securement system used to secure loads on a trailer equipped with rub rails must be located inboard of the rub rails whenever practicable. Also, edge protection must be used whenever a tiedown would be subject to abrasion or cutting at the point where it touches an article of cargo. The edge protection must resist abrasion, cutting and crushing.
Use of Unmarked Tiedowns
The new rules do not prohibit the use of unmarked tiedown devices. Although many of the participants in the public meetings and numerous commenters to the rulemaking proposal argued the rules should include such a prohibition, FMCSA believes it is inappropriate to prohibit unmarked tiedowns at this time. However, in view of the potential safety hazards of motor carriers misidentifying unmarked tiedowns, there is a provision that unmarked welded steel chain be considered to have a working load limit equal to that of grade 30 proof coil, and other types of unmarked tiedowns be considered to have a working load limit equal to the lowest rating for that type in the table of working load limits.
Unrated and Unmarked Anchor Points
FMCSAs cargo securement rules do not require rating and marking of anchor points. While the agency encourages manufacturers to rate and mark anchor points, the new rules do not include a requirement for ratings and markings.
Front End Structures on CMVs
FMCSA revised its rules concerning front-end structures or headerboards by changing the applicability of the requirements to cover CMVs transporting cargo that is in contact with the front-end structure of the vehicle. By contrast, the old rules required certain vehicles to be equipped with front-end structures regardless of whether the devices were used as part of a cargo securement system.
Summary of the new cargo rules
The new cargo securement rules include general securement rules applicable to all types of articles of cargo, with certain exceptions, and commodity-specific rules covering commodities that are considered the most difficult to determine the most appropriate means of securement. Requirements concerning securement, working load limits, blocking and bracing are applicable to all commodities being transported. The commodity-specific requirements take precedence over the general rules when additional requirements are given for a commodity listed in those sections. This means all cargo securement systems must meet the general requirements, except to the extent a commodity-specific rule imposes additional requirements that prescribe in more detail the securement method to be used.
General Rule
Cargo must be firmly immobilized or secured on or within a vehicle by structures of adequate strength, dunnage (loose materials used to support and protect cargo) or dunnage bags (inflatable bags intended to fill space between articles of cargo or between cargo and the wall of the vehicle), shoring bars, tiedowns or a combination of these.
Cargo Placement and Restraint
Articles of cargo that are likely to roll must be restrained by chocks, wedges, a cradle or other equivalent means to prevent rolling. The means of preventing rolling must not be capable of becoming unintentionally unfastened or loose while the vehicle is in transit. Articles of cargo placed beside each other and secured by transverse tiedowns must be:
  1. Placed in direct contact with each other, or
  2. Prevented from shifting towards each other while in transit.
Minimum Working Load Limit for Cargo Securement Devices and Systems
The aggregate working load limit of any securement system used to secure an article or group of articles against movement must be at least one-half the weight of the article or group of articles. The aggregate working load limit is the sum of: One-half the working load limit of each tiedown that goes from an anchor point on the vehicle to an attachment point on an article of cargo; and The working load limit for each tiedown that goes from an anchor point on the vehicle, through, over or around the cargo and then attaches to another anchor point on the vehicle.
Minimum Number of Tiedowns
The cargo securement system used to restrain articles against movement must meet requirements concerning the minimum number of tiedowns. This requirement is in addition to complying with rules concerning the minimum working load limit. When an article of cargo is not blocked or positioned to prevent movement in the forward direction, the number of tiedowns needed depends on the length and weight of the articles. There must be - one tiedown for articles 5 ft or less in length, and 1,100 lbs or less in weight; two tiedowns if the article is -
  1. 5 ft or less in length and more than 1,100 lbs in weight; or
  2. greater than 5 ft but less than 10 ft, regardless of weight.
In the following example, one tiedown is required because the article of cargo is 5 ft in length and does not exceed 1,100 lbs. If the article of cargo were greater than 5 ft in length but less than 10 ft, two tiedowns would be needed regardless of the weight. When an article of cargo is not blocked or positioned to prevent movement in the forward direction, and the item is longer than 10 ft in length, then it must be secured by two tiedowns for the first 10 ft of length, and one additional tiedown for every 10 ft of length, or fraction thereof, beyond the first 10 ft. An example of this is provided below. If an article is blocked, braced or immobilized to prevent movement in the forward direction by a headerboard, bulkhead, other articles that are adequately secured, or other appropriate means, it must be secured by at least one tiedown for every 10 ft of article length, or fraction thereof.
Special Rule for Special Purpose Vehicles
Generally, the basic rules concerning the minimum number of tiedowns do not apply to a vehicle transporting one or more articles of cargo such as, but not limited to, machinery or fabricated structural items (e.g., steel or concrete beams, crane booms, girders, and trusses, etc.) which, because of their design, size, shape or weight, must be fastened by special methods. However, any article of cargo carried on that vehicle must be secured adequately to the vehicle by devices that are capable of meeting the performance requirements and the working load limit requirements.
Commodity-Specific Securement Requirements
FMCSA has adopted detailed requirements for the securement of the following commodities: logs; dressed lumber; metal coils; paper rolls; concrete pipe; intermodal containers; automobiles, light trucks and vans; heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery; flattened or crushed vehicles; roll-on/roll-off containers; and large boulders. During public meetings concerning the development of the model regulations, participants said that these commodities cause the most disagreement between industry and enforcement agencies as to what is required for proper securement.
393.116 - Logs
The rules for the transportation of logs are applicable to the transportation of almost all logs with the following exceptions:
  1. Logs that are unitized by banding or other comparable means may be transported in accordance with the general cargo securement rules.
  2. Loads that consist of no more than four processed logs may be transported in accordance with the general cargo securement rules.
  3. Firewood, stumps, log debris and other such short logs must be transported in a vehicle or container enclosed on both sides, front, and rear and of adequate strength to contain them. Longer logs may also be transported in an enclosed vehicle or container.
393.118 - Dressed Lumber and Similar Building Products
The rules in this section apply to the transportation of bundles of dressed lumber, packaged lumber, building products such as plywood, gypsum board or other materials of similar shape. Lumber or building products that are not bundled or packaged must be treated as loose items and transported in accordance with the general cargo securement rules. For the purpose of this section, the term " bundle " refers to packages of lumber, building materials or similar products which are unitized for securement as a single article of cargo.
393.120 - Metal Coils
The rules in this section apply to the transportation of one or more metal coils which, individually or grouped together, weigh 2,268 kg (5,000 lbs) or more. Shipments of metal coils that weigh less than 2,268 kg (5,000 lbs) may be secured in accordance with the general cargo securement rules.
393.122 - Paper Rolls
The rules for securing paper rolls are applicable to shipments of paper rolls which, individually or together, weigh 2,268 kg (5,000 lbs) or more. Shipments of paper rolls that weigh less than 2,268 kg (5,000 lbs), and paper rolls that are unitized on a pallet, may either be secured in accordance with the rules in this section or the general cargo securement rules.
393.124 - Concrete Pipe
The rules in this section apply to the transportation of concrete pipe on flatbed trailers and vehicles and lowboy trailers. Concrete pipe that is bundled tightly together into a single rigid article with no tendency to roll, and concrete pipe loaded in a sided vehicle or container must be secured in accordance with the general rules.
393.126 - Intermodal Containers
The requirements for intermodal containers cover the transportation of these containers on container chassis and other types of vehicles. Intermodal containers are freight containers designed and constructed to permit them to be used interchangeably in two or more modes of transportation. Cargo contained within intermodal containers must be secured in accordance with the general cargo securement rules or, if applicable, the commodity-specific rules.
393.128 - Automobiles, Light Trucks and Vans
This portion of the new standards applies to the transportation of automobiles, light trucks, and vans which individually weight 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs) or less. Vehicles which individually are heavier than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs) must be secured in the same manner as heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery (see the rules under /393.126).
393.130 - Heavy Vehicles, Equipment and Machinery
These requirements are applicable to the transportation of heavy vehicles, equipment and machinery which operate on wheels or tracks, such as front end loaders, bulldozers, tractors and power shovels and which individually weigh 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs) or more. Vehicles, equipment and machinery which is lighter than 4,536 kg (10,000 lbs) may be secured in accordance with these rules, the rules for automobiles, light trucks and vans, or the general freight requirements.
393.132 - Flattened or Crushed Vehicles
The transportation of vehicles such as automobiles, light trucks and vans that have been flattened or crushed is covered by these requirements. The transportation of automobiles that are flattened or crushed in a crash or accident, as opposed to being intentionally flattened or crushed in preparation for transportation to recycling facilities, is not subject to these requirements. However, vehicles damaged in a crash or accident are subject to the general cargo securement requirements.
393.134 - Roll-on/Roll-Off or Hook-lift Containers
These rules apply to the transportation of roll-on/roll-off or hook lift containers. A hook-lift container is defined in 49 CFR 393.5 as a specialized container, primarily used to contain and transport materials in the waste, recycling, construction/demolition and scrap industries, which is used in conjunction with specialized vehicles in which the container is loaded and unloaded onto a tilt frame body by an articulating hook-arm. Section 393.134 is not, however, applicable to the operation of hoist-type equipment (or hoist equipment) as described in American National Standards Institute (ANSI) publication ANSI 2245.1. Hoist-type equipment should be considered separate and distinct from roll-on/roll-off equipment and, therefore, not subject to 393.134. Containers transported on hoist-type equipment must be secured in accordance with the general securement rules.
393.136 - Large Boulders
The rules in this section are applicable to the transportation of any large piece of natural, irregularly shaped rock weighing in excess of 5,000 kg (11,000 lbs) or with a volume in excess of 2 cubic-meters on an open vehicle, or in a vehicle whose sides are not designed and rated to contain such cargo. Pieces of rock weighing more than 100 kg (220 lbs), but less than 5,000 kg (11,000 lbs) must be secured, either in accordance with this section, or in accordance with the general cargo securement rules, including: (1) rock contained within a vehicle which is designed to carry such cargo; or (2) secured individually by tiedowns, provided each piece can be stabilized and adequately secured. Rock which has been formed or cut to a shape and which provides a stable base for securement must also be secured, either in accordance with the provisions of this section or in accordance with the general securement rules.
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
Vehicle and Roadside Operations Division (MC-PSV)
1200 New Jersey Avenue SE
Washington, DC 20590
www.fmcsa.dot.gov
Publication No.: MC-P/PSV-04-001

Understand that the liability & responsibility for what, how, and correct securement of what you tow is yours.
 
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#28 ·
The new cargo securement rules apply to the same types of vehicles and cargo as the old rules, covering all cargo-carrying commercial motor vehicles (as defined in 49 CFR 390.5) operated in interstate commerce.
For personal use, whether intrastate or interstate, these rules would not apply?
 
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Whether you tow into the next state or not you would still be considered a CMV. Its up to the LEO on the spot as to how he handles you and your load. Best not to give them any excuse
I had a case in TX where I had the court agree that a pickup without a trailer or load was a CMV.
Each state will either have adopted the FMCSRs or will have written their own.
The 150 air mile exception and or you the owner of the equipment (and immediate family) hauling agricultural equipment are exempt (still within the 150 mile limit).
 
#31 ·
Whether you tow into the next state or not you would still be considered a CMV. Its up to the LEO on the spot as to how he handles you and your load. Best not to give them any excuse
I had a case in TX where I had the court agree that a pickup without a trailer or load was a CMV.
Each state will either have adopted the FMCSRs or will have written their own.
How does a private vehicle not used for commerce be considered a commercial vehicle needing to follow federal DOT regulations for commercial vehicles?
The driver would not need to have a CDL or medical card or follow HOS standards.
 
#30 ·
I have heard some states treat 3/4 and 1 ton trucks like commercial vehicles. But here in Wisconsin they get treated mor like passenger cars when used privately. It’s not uncommon to see A plates on 3/4ton trucks. It’s not uncommon to see tandem axel trailers without any plates on them. Trailers under 3500lbs don’t need plates.

Unless you’re found at fault in an accident with a fatality, Nobody seems to enforce any tie down laws here.
 
#37 ·
I just rap chains around the front frame of my tractor. The same frame some are bolting tie down hooks or rings to. Most of the added on tie down brackets I have seen won’t work with the front hitch / and front snowblower attached.
 
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#41 ·
My bolted on D-ring works fine on my 1025R with the FEL bucket. I'm pretty sure it will easily clear on the 2032R with the FEL bucket and grapple too. As soon as I get one made for the larger 2032R, I will post up pictures and report back.

Snowblower, I can't answer if it will clear or not. I use my bucket to push snow.

Reminder that if you use one single strap or chain through a loop it changes the rating of the tie down. And it is not the same as four tie down points.

I use two straps with hooks to the D-ring. I don't run a single strap through it.
 
#42 ·
The front hitch uses 2 bolt holes that your D ring is using.

I used my loader to push snow once last winter.Only because I had pto issues. While the loader was way better than using a shovel. After using the blower, I hope I never have to use the bucket for snow removal again.
 
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