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Hi all.

Ive been looking at the 1 and 2 series for a while now, and getting close to finally doing something.
Trouble is, I wanted a bit more capacity than the old 1025R loader showed, which meant going to the 2025. Now the 2025 uses the same loader.
To complicate that, Ive seen several different specs.
I was initially excited to see that the 120R loader had a max of 955# now, but after reading a bit more, Im not sure it actually does have any more than the H120. It may actually be less.
In the brochure for the new 1025R, Deere says 835# at max height with the H120. They dont list the 120R, except to say 955# capacity in the 1 family brochure, but not in the loader table. At what height and where? Pivot?
On Deeres Front End Loaders/120R spec page, it shows a max of 754#
Then I found a video that shows the new loader lifting 955# to about 59", and thats it. The H120 would do that according to Deere.
So, is there actually a difference or is it just marketing?
So far, its extremely confusing.

Also, while Im at it, I like the larger tires and longer frame on the newer 2025R, but not much point in it for me if the capacities are all the same.
Does anyone know what they are? Deere doesnt show an updated brochure with any info yet. The old 2025 had a good bit more lift capacity than the 1025, but it appears it doesnt anymore.

My original plan was to get a 2520 or similar size tractor, but since I want a backhoe too, they are hard to find, and the ones I do see are as much or more than a new 1025R with loader/hoe, but at this point, I cant find a good way to compare loaders between the two.

Ill say too that the reason Im concerned with it is that the 955 I used some time back with 70 loader is listed as 850# capacity, and some of the logs I had to move were maxing it out. I could get by with that capacity though, as it would get them off the ground, but not much less capacity as theres a better than average chance Ill need to do that once in a while. \


So, can anyone help with those numbers?
 
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Hi all.

Ive been looking at the 1 and 2 series for a while now, and getting close to finally doing something.
Trouble is, I wanted a bit more capacity than the old 1025R loader showed, which meant going to the 2025. Now the 2025 uses the same loader.
To complicate that, Ive seen several different specs.
I was initially excited to see that the 120R loader had a max of 955# now, but after reading a bit more, Im not sure it actually does have any more than the H120. It may actually be less.
In the brochure for the new 1025R, Deere says 835# at max height with the H120. They dont list the 120R, except to say 955# capacity in the 1 family brochure, but not in the loader table. At what height and where? Pivot?
On Deeres Front End Loaders/120R spec page, it shows a max of 754#
Then I found a video that shows the new loader lifting 955# to about 59", and thats it. The H120 would do that according to Deere.
So, is there actually a difference or is it just marketing?
So far, its extremely confusing.

Also, while Im at it, I like the larger tires and longer frame on the newer 2025R, but not much point in it for me if the capacities are all the same.
Does anyone know what they are? Deere doesnt show an updated brochure with any info yet. The old 2025 had a good bit more lift capacity than the 1025, but it appears it doesnt anymore.

My original plan was to get a 2520 or similar size tractor, but since I want a backhoe too, they are hard to find, and the ones I do see are as much or more than a new 1025R with loader/hoe, but at this point, I cant find a good way to compare loaders between the two.

Ill say too that the reason Im concerned with it is that the 955 I used some time back with 70 loader is listed as 850# capacity, and some of the logs I had to move were maxing it out. I could get by with that capacity though, as it would get them off the ground, but not much less capacity as theres a better than average chance Ill need to do that once in a while. \


So, can anyone help with those numbers?
If you Go with the 2025R it does have a Bit More Lift Capacity with the 120R Loader then the 1 series the Lift Capacity with either the H120 or 120R Loader

H120 specs On 1 series

To Maximum Height (U) at Pivot Point 319 kg (703 lb)

To Maximum Height (V) 232 kg (512 lb)

To 1500 mm (59 in) at pivot pin (W) 331 kg (730 lb)

To 1500 mm (59 in) (X) 265 kg (584 lb)

120R on 1025R
Lift Capacity
To Maximum Height (A) at Pivot Point 342 kg (754 lb)

To Maximum Height (A) at 500 mm (19.7 in) (I) Forward of Pivot Point 236 kg (520 lb)

To 1500 mm (59 in) (J) at Pivot Pin 337 kg (743 lb)

120R on 2025R
Lift Capacity

To Maximum Height (A) at Pivot Point 381 kg (840 lb)

To Maximum Height (A) at 500 mm (19.7 in) (I) Forward of Pivot Point 263 kg (580 lb)

To 1500 mm (59 in) (J) at Pivot Pin 450 kg (992 lb)


I took these specs directly from the Operators Manual for the H120 & 120R Loaders

The 2025R Use the same Backhoe as the Current 2018 1025R which is the 260B Backhoe


3 Point hitch specification for the 2018 2025R

3-Point Hitch Lift Capacity—61 cm (24 in.) behind arms 400 kg (882 lb)

3-Point Hitch Lift Capacity—at lift link ends 560 kg (1234 lb)


3 Point hitch specification for the 2018 1025R

3-Point Hitch Lift Capacity—61 cm (24 in.) behind arms 344kg (758 lb)

3-Point Hitch Lift Capacity—at lift link ends 534 kg (1177 lb)

I Bought a 1025R TLB with a 60inch auto connect deck & Mowing deck, Independent lift kit, Led Light kit and several other attachments In April of 2017 I found I need a little More clearance for some of the 3point Implements I want to use Mainly a Full size augur.

So as soon as a I sell My old House I am Buying a 2025R with a 120R Loader, 260B Backhoe, 54inch auto connect deck with Independent lift kit . Premium LED Light Kit and a New Curtis Hard Cab and I will have to Buy a different top Mount Bracket for the quick Hitch I am Keeping from my 1 series Purchase and Probably a new Driveshaft to go from Mid to front for My 47inch Blower.

I hope the specs Help clear Up some of Your confusion :bigthumb:
 

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Thanks! Thats very helpful!
Looks like I might want to take a hard look at the 2025R. It seems like it will do everything I want to do, and while I think the 1025R would come close, I too need all the ground clearance I can get, while still keeping things as compact as possible.
Its more money, but with the right deal, maybe not that much more, and I dont NEED a mower with it, although Ive considered selling my Exmark and using the tractor to mow too, as I dont think it will be a big deal to disconnect the deck when I want to do other work with it.

I sure wish I was closer to a knowledgeable dealer. The two Ive talked to (closest to me) seem more interested in selling the larger ones, and still dont seem to know a lot about any of them. Maybe Ill make a trip next week a bit South and visit the big Reynolds dealer down there and see what they have and what they say.
Muttons is an hour and a half away, and they have great prices, but thats a good drive just to look.
 

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Thanks! Thats very helpful!
Looks like I might want to take a hard look at the 2025R. It seems like it will do everything I want to do, and while I think the 1025R would come close, I too need all the ground clearance I can get, while still keeping things as compact as possible.
Its more money, but with the right deal, maybe not that much more, and I dont NEED a mower with it, although Ive considered selling my Exmark and using the tractor to mow too, as I dont think it will be a big deal to disconnect the deck when I want to do other work with it.

I sure wish I was closer to a knowledgeable dealer. The two Ive talked to (closest to me) seem more interested in selling the larger ones, and still dont seem to know a lot about any of them. Maybe Ill make a trip next week a bit South and visit the big Reynolds dealer down there and see what they have and what they say.
Muttons is an hour and a half away, and they have great prices, but thats a good drive just to look.
Go to Mutton if You Can While I haven't Bought a Sub Compact or Compact at a dealer that far away. I have Bought Garden tractors at Great Deere dealers That were 2 to 3Hrs away from Me. They were also very Knowledgeable On Compact tractors because they Both sell a lot of them. My Dealer where I Buy My sub compact & Compacts from is a 60 miles drive and it a dealer where I know Many of the staff outside of a dealer/customer relationship as My Brother worked for the outfit 10 years ago Under different ownership. I Probably won't do Much Mowing with the 2025R But In My Case I have always done well On trade In with Buying the little extras. Most dealers do Only standard Blue Book Prices of Good average I have always Gotten excellent Condition Blue Book Price because I Bought the Little extras. Like on My Old X485 I had a rear PTO Kit & a Limited Cat 1 3point Hitch. I got a better Price for the trade in.
Your the customer Go In there and tell them what You want You want a 2025R with a 120R Loader and a 260B Backhoe You don't even Have to Buy a Mid Mount deck. I have actually thought about Buying a rear Mount 3point Grooming mower BTW My dealer That's In Harvard IL sells combines(John Deere calls them Harvesters) to a lot of Indiana Customers That are over 200 Miles away:bigthumb:
 

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Merely my .02. Looked at and considered a 2025 when I purchased my 1025 in 2015. Had some serious issues deciding which one to go with. Decided on the 1025 as about the only difference was tire size, ground clearance, and roughly 200 more lbs. weight of tractor. The 2025 doesn't offer enough more hp, in motor or hydro pto power to make a difference I could feel. Was at my local dealer on Monday and took a look at the 2032R. Definitely my next tractor. Was almost ready to trade my 1025R in while we were there. More motor, noticeable lift capacity in the FEL and the 3 point. All around nice tractor with nice amenities. Again, merely my .02, but definitely my next tractor.
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Its more money, but with the right deal, maybe not that much more, and I dont NEED a mower with it, although Ive considered selling my Exmark and using the tractor to mow too, as I dont think it will be a big deal to disconnect the deck when I want to do other work with it.
I'd think carefully about that one. Your Exmark will do a better job mowing grass than any MMM on a SCUT/CUT.
 

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When I went to the dealer to look at a 1025R a couple weeks ago he introduced me to the 2025R as well, and it was very impressive especially with the radial turf tires. I was also surprised that the two prices he offered me were only $1,000 apart.

I didn't like it because the operator's station for me felt cramped with those fenders surrounding you, where as the 1025R was nice and open. It was also too tall to fit in my enclosed trailer, too tall to fit in the shed I built for my last tractor, and for my 1 acre lot is more overkill than the 1025R would already be. Like you, I also didn't like the general lack of information on it. I will say I didn't really notice a difference in turn radius or drive-ability between the two, and the 2025R felt just as nimble although a bit less stable with those tall tires.

The sales rep had just finished a John Deere written test on sales information for the 2025R, but really wasn't able to tell me much more besides it weighs a couple hundred pounds more, has stronger hydraulics (I think about 150PSI more, and the additional flow rating goes to the steering for the big tires), lifts more and higher at the 3PH, has bigger tires, 3" more ground clearance and has a 6" longer wheelbase. The JD literature had nothing much about it either in it's new 2R series pamphlet.

If I could have justified the size of the 2025R vs 1025R I would have just went with a 2032R even though that snowblower attachment is ridiculously expensive.
 
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2025R with a 120R loader & a 260B Backhoe using Mutton as the dealer $27,349.0
2032R with a 220R Loader & a 270B Backhoe Using Mutton as the dealer $36,081.40
Those price reflect adding the Power Beyond Kit a I match quick Hitch, Forward Light Kit & the extended warranty But the do Not Included the set Up Labor Involved with Putting the Power Beyond Kit On or the Lights So Probably add $2,000 more In Labor to Both so Your Looking at least at a $9,000 difference

They have The 2032 In a Tractor Loader Mower Package for $3,301 off List Price $24,399.00 Plus $9,102 for Back Hoe & Power Beyond $33,501.70
The Have the 2025R as a Tractor Loader Mower Package with $800 of List Price $18,699.00 add $6,388 for a 260B Backhoe & Power Beyond Kit $25,087
But don't Know what Type of warranty is On it if there Including the extended warranty or Not in those Prices. Then they Probably don't Include Nice Little extras Like engine coolant Heater or Transmission Oil Heater But I Know the OP wants a smaller Tractor and the 2032 & 2038R are Not as small as they use to be There No Longer Built on a small frame Compact frame Like the 2025R is The 2025R Is about 3inches Longer Than the 1025R and the same width of 48inches But a Little Taller with enough room to use regular standard Cat 1 equipment( meaning You don't really need to use Sub Compact specific sizes ) Such as a tiller or especially as In My case I can use a standard Cat 1 augur. The 2032R and 2038R are 55inches wide and 117.5 in. Long and there closure In size to the 3E series Tractors But the best thing to do is compare them side By side if You Can and sit in them Get a feel for them which I have done and realized the 2025R is perfect for My needs On 3.9 acres My other reason for going with the 2025R is I can switch some attachments between the 2025R and My X748 Where I would have a Hard time doing that with a 2032R Because it Now uses a front 3 point hitch Which also Make You Kind of stuck with a 59inch Blower where I have a choice with the 2025R of still using a 47inch Blower or Going to a 54inch Blower. Another Big thing to consider is attachment storage will You have enough room going with a Bigger tractor. I would have enough room But I also collect Garden tractors so I don't want to have My Barn filled up with a lot of Bigger attachments that I would have to get going with a 2032R or a 2038R. Plus everything I have Bought recently for My 1 series will fit On a 2025R except for My God awful soft Cab which is going in the trash shortly( and it Brand will remain Nameless) :bigthumb:
 

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Thanks for all the advice.
Ill most likely be keeping the Exmark for mowing, as the deck will cost about what Id get for the Exmark anyway, and its going to be MUCH faster to mow with.

As to the size, all things considered, Id love a bigger tractor, but my woods sure wouldnt. 5.25 acres of woods with a house in the middle. Smaller is better for getting in the woods.
Honestly, the 1025R would probably do MOST of what I need. I just prefer the better ground clearance, slightly higher lift capacities etc, and the marginally larger size of the 2025R. Of course Ive yet to see one in person, so that could change, but I liked the old 2025R fine, and they are "supposed" to be the same size...which means a whole lot of nothing.

Im going to try to get to a dealer this week and have a look at both.
To be 100% honest, when I initally started looking, I completely discounted the 1025R. Since then, Ive read a bunch about them and watched a ton of videos (Tractor Tims videos are great!), and have seen that they will do quite a bit more than I thought they would.

In the end, price will be a factor, which takes the larger 2 series out, and their physical size doesnt help much either.
Im like Sargent in that I too have some smaller Deere garden tractors and lots of attachments laying around for them, so storage space is at a premium too.

The good thing in all of this long process is that Ive actually narrowed it down to two choices...9 months ago or so I started a spreadsheet with all the measurables on it for 5 different Deeres (2 used), 3 Kubotas, 2 Kiotis and 2 Masseys.


Sargent:
On Mutton, they have listed on Tractorhouse a 1025R TLB for $17200. No idea what that includes other than the standard loader and BH, but at that price, if the 2025R is only 2k more, its kind of a no brainer. No idea how they are getting that price though, but Ill call and find out this week, or drive up there if I can manage the time.
 
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Hi all.

Ive been looking at the 1 and 2 series for a while now, and getting close to finally doing something.
Trouble is, I wanted a bit more capacity than the old 1025R loader showed, which meant going to the 2025. Now the 2025 uses the same loader.
To complicate that, Ive seen several different specs.
I was initially excited to see that the 120R loader had a max of 955# now, but after reading a bit more, Im not sure it actually does have any more than the H120. It may actually be less.
In the brochure for the new 1025R, Deere says 835# at max height with the H120. They dont list the 120R, except to say 955# capacity in the 1 family brochure, but not in the loader table. At what height and where? Pivot?
On Deeres Front End Loaders/120R spec page, it shows a max of 754#
Then I found a video that shows the new loader lifting 955# to about 59", and thats it. The H120 would do that according to Deere.
So, is there actually a difference or is it just marketing?
So far, its extremely confusing.

Also, while Im at it, I like the larger tires and longer frame on the newer 2025R, but not much point in it for me if the capacities are all the same.
Does anyone know what they are? Deere doesnt show an updated brochure with any info yet. The old 2025 had a good bit more lift capacity than the 1025, but it appears it doesnt anymore.

My original plan was to get a 2520 or similar size tractor, but since I want a backhoe too, they are hard to find, and the ones I do see are as much or more than a new 1025R with loader/hoe, but at this point, I cant find a good way to compare loaders between the two.

Ill say too that the reason Im concerned with it is that the 955 I used some time back with 70 loader is listed as 850# capacity, and some of the logs I had to move were maxing it out. I could get by with that capacity though, as it would get them off the ground, but not much less capacity as theres a better than average chance Ill need to do that once in a while. \


So, can anyone help with those numbers?


I can't help, but was wondering about lift capacity also if you learn more please message me
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I can't help, but was wondering about lift capacity also if you learn more please message me
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Its listed above, laid out pretty well by Sergeant.
 

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So Im a lot closer to pulling the trigger on one. Trouble is, I cant get over the pricing issues.

Mutton is only $2800 difference between the two, while Reynolds is $3850.
I went by Reynolds today, as they were cheaper on the 1025R, to see them in person and play with them a bit.

I do really like the 2025R.


Not sure if anyone can answer this or not, but Ive heard dealers talk about Area of Responsibility. Ive heard one say they can give better deals if a potential customer lives inside their AOR. If this is true, maybe I should contact my local dealer about it, with the quotes I have and see what they say.
Anyone know if thats true?

Hate to run anyone around or waste their time, but at this point, nobody seems to be able to explain the pricing discrepancies, and thats concerning to me.
 

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So Im a lot closer to pulling the trigger on one. Trouble is, I cant get over the pricing issues.

Mutton is only $2800 difference between the two, while Reynolds is $3850.
I went by Reynolds today, as they were cheaper on the 1025R, to see them in person and play with them a bit.

I do really like the 2025R.


Not sure if anyone can answer this or not, but Ive heard dealers talk about Area of Responsibility. Ive heard one say they can give better deals if a potential customer lives inside their AOR. If this is true, maybe I should contact my local dealer about it, with the quotes I have and see what they say.
Anyone know if thats true?

Hate to run anyone around or waste their time, but at this point, nobody seems to be able to explain the pricing discrepancies, and thats concerning to me.
From my experience in an unrelated field, the Area of Responsibility (AOR) is an effort by the manufacturer to stabilize the distribution channel by encouraging dealers to market in their own backyard. To do this they either offer a better price up front to a dealer or they refund a percentage of the dealer purchase price after the sale. To JD's credit, they realize a strong, local, dealer network has a gone along way to giving them the product reputation they have today. Moreover, they have a better negotiating position with smaller dealers than very large dealers, whom by their sales volume, can dictate terms as their business loss would be catastrophic. Caterpillar is a good example of the latter, as I believe they have less than a dozen dealers in the continental USA.

I believe this is a somewhat new effort by JD, as I never heard the term AOR until this year. I also believe this same effort is being deployed in the parts distribution channel. You may have noticed that long term site supporter "Green Farm Parts" advertised part pricing recently increased to MSRP. I'd speculate this came with some "encouragement" from JD. However, I do believe they have employed a bit of a workaround as the GTT discount increased to 12% at the same time and free shipping returned. As they are not "advertising" that increased discount, I'd further speculate they're contractually limited from doing so.

Prohibiting a dealer to sell out of their AOR would. no doubt, have anti-trust law implications. I think dealer price points and discounts tied to the AOR would be a grey area, but JD is not the only one doing such and I'm sure their attorneys have assessed the risk.

All that being said, overall, even with the outrageous MN sales tax, I received the best overall price from my local dealer once I factored shipping or my time/expenses to take delivery elsewhere. The other thing to keep in mind, you're dealing with salespeople. Salespeople are notorious for dropping the ball and just plain screwing things up. They believe their time is the only thing of value. So when traveling to take delivery some place else, there is a strong possibility that not everything will be as it should be, requiring a second trip or expensive shipping to resolve---that he/she won't eat.

Lastly, when purchasing a tractor, vehicles or any other high ticket item; I seldom visit the dealership in person once I have made up mind what specific model/options I desire. I do all negotiating and price quotes via email. This eliminates the "he said--she said" disputes. For example, when I purchased my second 1025R last June, part of the negations were that the prices quoted for implements and attachments on the tractor quote would be good through the end of the calendar year. This would give me time to sell my old attachments/implements to make room and, more importantly, not impact my cash flow so dramatically. Every time I came back to purchase those quoted items, the price went up significantly. Having the price protection terms specified, in writing, within those emails, made resolving that issue short.
 
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