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I was doing a 100 hour oil change on my 1025r and discovered my air cleaner bracket bracket ( part # LVU28618 ) also had broken at the base. It seemed to be an extraordinary situation as there wasn't an impact, excessive vibration or any other situation occur that would break, what I thought would be a capable part. I called the dealer and was surprised that there was an issue with that bracket and further they want to bring the tractor in, replace the bracket and look at the valve cover and the engine since there has been numerous issues with this bracket arising from (excessive?)vibration that affected other engine parts. I was told by the a service manager that they have had to replace entire motors on account of this issue! All this including transportation is being covered by the warranty. It may make sense to revisit this issue for some of you earlier guys who were rejected under the warranty as it appears to be a manufacturers defect that may either add clarity to subsequent repairs or serve as a FYI of issues downstream.

Here's a previous thread with some early discoveries of this issue: https://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/sub-compact-utility-tractors-scut/110953-broken-air-filter-bracket.html
 

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I was doing a 100 hour oil change on my 1025r and discovered my air cleaner bracket bracket ( part # LVU28618 ) also had broken at the base. It seemed to be an extraordinary situation as there wasn't an impact, excessive vibration or any other situation occur that would break, what I thought would be a capable part. I called the dealer and was surprised that there was an issue with that bracket and further they want to bring the tractor in, replace the bracket and look at the valve cover and the engine since there has been numerous issues with this bracket arising from (excessive?)vibration that affected other engine parts. I was told by the a service manager that they have had to replace entire motors on account of this issue! All this including transportation is being covered by the warranty. It may make sense to revisit this issue for some of you earlier guys who were rejected under the warranty as it appears to be a manufacturers defect.

Here's a previous thread with some early discoveries of this issue: https://www.greentractortalk.com/forums/sub-compact-utility-tractors-scut/110953-broken-air-filter-bracket.html
So i see you also have a 2016..? Let me know if your dealer covers it. Mine here in CT said it is not covered. Although only my strap broke, not the bracket itself.


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So i see you also have a 2016..? Let me know if your dealer covers it. Mine here in CT said it is not covered. Although only my strap broke, not the bracket itself.


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I do own a 2016 and have experienced no issues to date aside from the broken bracket. I'll keep the board apprised of my progress on this matter.
 

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That seems to be a JD engineering blunder with that year! :nunu:
 

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Its interesting to read the different dealer responses on these issues.

In this case the dealer is all over it, saying its a known problem and they have done lots of work related to this issue, even replacing engines.
In another case, the persons dealer said they had never even heard of it and have never replaced so much as a strap.

Maybe its the cynic in me, but I have a hard time believing the second situation is a truthful account. If my little dealer has replaced parts, surely others have too. Or maybe in the second instance, that dealer just doesnt sell many 1025s at all.

In any case, its good to know these are being dealt with. Its also sad to hear that some dealers are not covering these things.
What was the standard warranty in 2016? I believe its now 3 years isnt it?
 

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Compact Utility Tractors
a) Powertrain on Compact Utility Tractors (components as per B above)
24 months or 2000 hours, Whichever Comes First
72 months or 2000 hours, Whichever Comes First

B. WHAT IS WARRANTED – All parts of any new John Deere Equipment, except tires and batteries (which are warranted under separate documents
provided with each product), are warranted for the number of months or operating hours specified below. Warranty statements required by law covering
engine emission-related parts and components, which shall not be less than the engine warranty, are found in the Operator’s Manual delivered with the
Equipment. Included In Compact Utility Tractor Powertrain Warranty - Engine: cylinder block, cylinder head, valve covers, oil pan, timing gear
covers, flywheel housing, emissions control components and all parts contained therein. Powertrain: transmission, transmission case, differential and
axle housings, clutch housings, MFWD front axle assembly, and all parts contained therein (does not include external drivelines, dry clutch parts, or
steering cylinders).

My tractor exceeds the warranty on the 24 months provision yet they are proceeding with the inspection and subsequent repairs/replacement whichever is necessary. Gotta tell you, I'm loving my dealer right about now...
 

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The main issue with some 2016s was inproper torque on the bracket hardware on the valve cover. Some required just a retorque of the nuts. If the valve cover was damaged it was replaced. If the valve cover was collapsed we had to do a compression test. If it failed the compression test the complete engine was replaced. Never seen a damaged valve cover, hence, never replaced a complete engine for this issue.
Good to see your dealer taking care of the issue.

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The main issue with some 2016s was inproper torque on the bracket hardware on the valve cover. Some required just a retorque of the nuts. If the valve cover was damaged it was replaced. If the valve cover was collapsed we had to do a compression test. If it failed the compression test the complete engine was replaced. Never seen a damaged valve cover, hence, never replaced a complete engine for this issue.
Good to see your dealer taking care of the issue.

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Very helpful and useful explanation. Makes perfect sense and seems like a prudent way to address the issue. Xcopterdoc, was the over torque issue limited to the 2016's or are other years involved?

It sounds like there might really be more than issue at play. First is the design itself of the air cleaner bracket and the other is the excessive torquing on some 2016's, which can cause other issues.

Thanks for your response.
 

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Very helpful and useful explanation. Makes perfect sense and seems like a prudent way to address the issue. Xcopterdoc, was the over torque issue limited to the 2016's or are other years involved?

It sounds like there might really be more than issue at play. First is the design itself of the air cleaner bracket and the other is the excessive torquing on some 2016's, which can cause other issues.

Thanks for your response.
The torque issue was actually an under torque. Sorry I didnt specify that. So... The nuts were coming loose, causing a noise and damaging the valve cover. The breaking of the bracket was a different issue. The nuts weren't coming loose, just the bracket breaking.
The loose bracket issue seems to have been on units prior to a June 16 build date. But again.. Who knows if when and how this issue was really corrected and if a few slipped thru after June 16. No big deal.. Again.. Deere stepped up, took notice and responsibility.
But.. In the end, it is the dealership responsibility to be trained, aware and willing to do their part to make it right with the customer. Even it it means taking a loss money wise.

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The torque issue was actually an under torque. Sorry I didnt specify that. So... The nuts were coming loose, causing a noise and damaging the valve cover. The breaking of the bracket was a different issue. The nuts weren't coming loose, just the bracket breaking.
The loose bracket issue seems to have been on units prior to a June 16 build date. But again.. Who knows if when and how this issue was really corrected and if a few slipped thru after June 16. No big deal.. Again.. Deere stepped up, took notice and responsibility.
But.. In the end, it is the dealership responsibility to be trained, aware and willing to do their part to make it right with the customer. Even it it means taking a loss money wise.

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Oh great it explains last year I heard some loud clanging noises and popped the hood and saw the nuts were backed off and the plate was vibrating. Guess I should have called the dealer instead of snugging them down. I have not had any issues since but will defiantly now give it a good looking over. I was planing on doing the air filter change as well. If the cover is damaged I’d see it right? Plus that was over a year ago and have not noticed anything different with the machine so maybe if I lucked out ill just take that troublesome bracket off asap and install the new old design. It was made in either April or May of ‘16.

Thanks as always xcopterdoc for the knowledge and information :bigthumb:
 
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The torque issue was actually an under torque. Sorry I didnt specify that. So... The nuts were coming loose, causing a noise and damaging the valve cover. The breaking of the bracket was a different issue. The nuts weren't coming loose, just the bracket breaking.
The loose bracket issue seems to have been on units prior to a June 16 build date. But again.. Who knows if when and how this issue was really corrected and if a few slipped thru after June 16. No big deal.. Again.. Deere stepped up, took notice and responsibility.
But.. In the end, it is the dealership responsibility to be trained, aware and willing to do their part to make it right with the customer. Even it it means taking a loss money wise.

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Thanks for the explanations. I am almost due for an air filter change. Can you give us the torque these bolt should be at? That way I can check them when I'm doing the filter service.
 

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The main issue with some 2016s was inproper torque on the bracket hardware on the valve cover. Some required just a retorque of the nuts. If the valve cover was damaged it was replaced. If the valve cover was collapsed we had to do a compression test. If it failed the compression test the complete engine was replaced. Never seen a damaged valve cover, hence, never replaced a complete engine for this issue.
Good to see your dealer taking care of the issue.

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Xcopterdoc, i think this was an issues from day one just different end issues. Mine is a MY2013 and mine were only torqued to 4 nM I believe rather than the new specified 25 nM in the document. They came loose. Now maybe the document my dealer quoted to me was specifically due to the revised heavier bracket they came out with to fix the broken brackets with the earlier lighter designed brackets. Tightened mine to about 20 ft lb, as I figured by the bolt size, that would be about right. Never loosened again, but the crappy strap was replaced with a trucker tie down strap of the appropriate size for 2 bucks, rather than $30+. God willing won't have any issues. Just to bad they hired that new engineer who changed the design from the 1026R. His idea was better. NOT!

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Very helpful and useful explanation. Makes perfect sense and seems like a prudent way to address the issue. Xcopterdoc, was the over torque issue limited to the 2016's or are other years involved?

It sounds like there might really be more than issue at play. First is the design itself of the air cleaner bracket and the other is the excessive torquing on some 2016's, which can cause other issues.

Thanks for your response.
Sully, they were not over torqued, they were under torqued and came loose even though they were nylocks.

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John deere should be doing a recall. Plain and simple. For what I paid, this is NOT NORMAL MAINTENANCE. It is to fix a FUBAR design screw up. John Deere you reading this???

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