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Looking at a 4 ft King kutter tiller. Read some posts about people having to cut shafts ect. I am interested in the KKII or the KK subcompact model, but I need a definitive answer as to will it fit or not

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Good morning, and welcome.

That tiller question gets asked a lot around here.

The PTO shaft may need to be cut to the correct length. Not all tractor 3 point hitch dimensions are the same between all tractors.

The yellow, 48" KK tiller should be a simple connection, PTO shaft length issue?

Remember, if you're using the JD imatch or any of the other quick hitches, like the Speeco.........

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..... you will need to attach bushings on the lower lift pins, and top link pin, to get the correct fit.

Like this...

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In the first pic, the bushing is a Cat 1 to Cat 3, held on by a roll pin. $17 to $35 a set at the local farm store The other 3 pics show a Cat 1 top link pin with a Cat 1 to Cat 2 bushing, and a Cat 2 to Cat 3 bushing. Watch the packaging, the "top link" bushing sizes are different than the "lift pin" sizes... (just a handy hint to help you avoid a second trip to town...:banghead: )

The orange, 48" or 54",XB compact tillers can easily be modified to fit an imatch or other hitches with no welding or cutting... One of the members here, timmarks, made a video showing how he did it. I think he'll be OK with me posting it here for you. A simple conversion, just wrench work on the top pin and swap out the lower lift pins with longer...


Good luck, and post pics... we like pictures!
 

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Looking at a 4 ft King kutter tiller. Read some posts about people having to cut shafts ect. I am interested in the KKII or the KK subcompact model, but I need a definitive answer as to will it fit or not

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Keep in mind that iMatch compatibility and the need to cut PTO shafts are two distinctly different things. Every generic PTO-driven device will include directions with it on how to measure and determine if you need to cut down the shaft.

The manuals for the KK TG-48-XB and the KK II make no mention of them being Quick Hitch compatible and some others have reported problems with the bottom pins on the XB not being long enough so they had to replace them to get it to work.

You'd probably have to contact KK directly and ask. Their customer service number is (205)487-3202.
 
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You always need to check shaft length per direction and lots of YT videos before you use a new implement. Many thousands in tractor repair costs are possible if you do not take 10 mins to check shaft length.

Shaft issue will be if you size it for running with the QH on it may be too long too long if you try to use without the QH. If you you size your shafts and then buy a QH you sometimes need to get new shafts since they are too short. The QH sets the implement back a few inches more.

If you put some thought in when sizing your shaft you should be ok. Too long breaks the tractor so you can never have that. Tiller is tighter but brush hog shaft I measured both ways with QH on and off (blue sharpie and red sharpie) and then found the sweet spot that left enough overlap with the QH on and left it short enough with the QH off.

In hind sight it was a waste of time, because I have no clue why I would ever want to wrestle the brush hog on without the QH. If you have never parked an implement with the QH it is easiest to pick back up if you leave it slightly nose down. (i.e. with brush hog I always leave a 4x4 under the back of it) Once the top is in and you lift the rest just glides into place.
 
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Ok everyone thank you, I think I finally understand. I don't receive my tractor until Tuesday and having never owned one was still uncertain how this worked. I was just trying to get all my ducks in a row. Having read previous posts on the subject, I guess I just did don't understand what I was reading so it didn't make sense.
 

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I've been reading up on this issue since I'm planning to buy a tiller soon for my 2520. I decided to call King Kutter to ask them about quick hitch issues with their KK II 60" and also PTO shaft length. I was surprised when the guy at KK said that they do not consider their KK II to be quick hitch compatible. He said quick hitch manufacturers, specifically the JD iMatch, don't follow the standard sizes well enough to make them work. Huh.

Obviously there are a lot of people out there that seem to have a KK II tiller and use a quick hitch. I'm hoping that I don't encounter any major problems, but I guess since I'll only need the tiller twice a year it is probably fine if I have to not use the iMatch with it. It won't stop me from buying the tiller. Anyone want to chime in with real world experience with the KK II 60" and a JD 2-series like the 2520/2720?

I also learned something else new today about these tillers. Apparently there are two almost identical KK tiller lines. King Kutter II and King Kutter Professional. The guy at KK said they are basically the same in regards to driveline/gearboxes and tines, but the pro has a more rounded top which keeps debris from gathering (and doesn't hold rain). Now that I know this I actually do see the differences on the web site but previously I thought there was just one product line (besides the XB sub-compact stuff). Anyone know of any other differences between the II and Pro?

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I just picked up a KKII 60" for my new 2038R on Saturday all I had to do was add the Bushing kit and it fits up to my imatch. I looked at the KKII and the KK Professional models in the store, the pro model is painted JD green(almost) and that was the main difference I could see besides the $100 price difference(may have been some other small things as stated) but the driveline and tines looked the same. Had to add oil and grease the fittings, other than that seems solid, will find out for sure when the new garden gets tilled up in a few months.
 

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Sorry to revive this thread and renew it, but I have a question. I ended up buying the yellow King kutter 48" and a HF quick hitch.

I got the bushing set on the arms (took 2 hours to. Get the roll pins on, had to drill out holes a little bit) and noticed my QH fits on the top pin just fine without having a bushing on it. Do I need to change the bolt out to put a bushing on? Or can I just use that bolt with a sleeve on it?
 

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Sorry to revive this thread and renew it, but I have a question. I ended up buying the yellow King kutter 48" and a HF quick hitch.

I got the bushing set on the arms (took 2 hours to. Get the roll pins on, had to drill out holes a little bit) and noticed my QH fits on the top pin just fine without having a bushing on it. Do I need to change the bolt out to put a bushing on? Or can I just use that bolt with a sleeve on it?
That bolt with the 1.25" sleeve is fine for use with your quick hitch. That is the correct cat 3 top link dimension. As long as your quick hitch's hook seats on it and the bottom pins sit in the lower hooks you're good.

Rob
 
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