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Good morning. Looking to purchase a 445 or 455 to put a loader on. Any huge difference in these two other that gas v diesel? Have any of y'all used the CTC aftermarket loaders? At best what weight would a 445 w a JD 40 loader be able to lift? I'm looking to have one at the house for small jobs. Thanks for your help.
 

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They are from the same 4x5 series. There was the 425, 445, and 455. They came in 2wd and all wheel steer. The only difference is the engine. The 425 was a carbureted Kawasaki, the 445 had fuel injection and the 455 was a Yanmar diesel. They were all water cooled.

The 2WD models can handle a loader, I know JD did not recommend a FEL for the AWS models, but I have seen some people put them on. I think part of the problem is having clearance for the loader frame and if you are not careful operating it with an AWS you can tip it pretty easy. You will be able to lift probably around 600-700 lbs, if you go with the 40 loader, which was the factory loader. I imagine the CTC loader is close to the same. You can get a little more lift out of it if you shim the loader valve but you need to consider the front axle capacity when you do that. If you get the loader, make sure you get some ballast for the rear. I would also make sure you have at least 4 ply tires all the way around to account for the weight when you scoop a load.

These are great tractors but the hoods like to shatter pretty easily. I had a 425 and it was a great tractor for me. Probably should have kept it but let it go. :bigthumb:
 

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They are great little tractors. As has been said, the only difference between the 445 and 455 is gas vs diesel.

I have a 445 that has been great and always amazed me at how capable it is if ballasted properly. I'm selling it now to step up to the 1025r. Where are you located?

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I would step up to an x series for the loader. They can go to 1500 psi vs 1250 for the 4x5. I had a 445 with a 40 and the lift capacity was an issue. I went back to a 420 with a dedicated loader pump.
 

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Here is what tractor data has on the 40 loader. You can shim same as a x but the front axle will be the weak point.

Loader type:John Deere 40
Weight:580 lbs*[263 kg]*
Height (to pin):70 inches*[177 cm]*
Clearance, dumped bucket:53 inches*[134 cm]*
Dump reach:22 inches*[55 cm]*
Dump angle:50
Reach at ground:42.5 inches*[107 cm]*
Rollback at ground:18
Breakout force (lift):500 lbs*[226 kg]*
Breakout force (bucket):600 lbs*[272 kg]*
Lift to full height (at pin):215 lbs*[97 kg]*
Bucket capacity:0.23 cu yd*[0.2 cu m]*
Bucket width:48 inches*[121 cm]*
 

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The OEM 40 series loader is getting very hard to find for those machines. If you find one and its reasonably priced on a machine, Even if the machine is marginal, buy the machine just for the loader. Good tractors aren't hard to find, but the loaders sure are, at least in my part of the country.

There is a high demand for parting out the 445 / 455 machines if you are so inclined and have the time and patience to deal with people. To be honest, I am pretty tired of dealing with people but most JD people seem better than the average person in terms of common sense and not being a shifty jerk to deal with. But selling used stuff can be frustrating and a lot of tire kickers and strokes.

There are loaders for sale for $2,500 on Ebay for the 445 and 455 and from what I have seen, they don't include the mounting brackets. That could be a problem. You would want to check and MAKE SURE to line up brackets or it should be a negotiating point on the loader as they could be expensive from Deere assuming you can get them (I haven't checked). Series 40 loaders are hard to find. Finding just the mounting brackets is even more rare.

If you are realistic with the weight capacity and lift height / reach capacity of the Series 40 loader, its a decent machine. If you are planning on using the loader for spring mulch and yard clean up, you will likely be happy. If you need it to load and move gravel you likely won't be.

The loader and factory cab was the only option I didn't buy when I ordered my 455 and I wish I had. But over 20 years ago, the 455 with the 60" deck was a $9,300 machine. If memory serves me, if you bought the 455 with the 60" deck and MC519 Cart, 47" snow blower with front quick hitch and angling and drive assembly, Rear 3ph and PTO, Tiller, 54" plow, 60" broom and other implements available with the the cab and the loader added on was near $20k, which is / was a lot of money for a garden tractor, especially 25 years ago. But you also would have had every implement and option to handle just about any need which would have arisen.

It's important to remember that the SCUT and CUT market in the 1980's and much of the 1990's was tiny compared to what it is today. There were a few machines such as the 770 which was 20hp and around $14,000 and sold from 1989 to 1998. Another was the 755 Deere which was offered from 1986 to 1998 and that machine was rated at 20hp and around $15,000 with the deck. But there weren't multiple models across many brands. The 755 and 770 Deere machines (along with others) were rebranded Yanmar's during that era and they also were great machines.

Today, there are a ton of choices and options across models and brands which is good for the consumer market. Also, today's machines are priced cheaply compared to the machines of the era of the 445 / 455. Dollar for dollar, there has never been a better time to be a SCUT / CUT consumer...that's for sure......

The 445 / 455 chassis is very heavy duty and durable. Parts availability remains very good. But I also see 1025r and 1023e used machines with just the FEL being sold for under $7,500. If the choice came down to a 455 with the series 40 loader for $5000 or the 1 series with the H120 or 120R FEL for $7,000, I would likely go with the 1 series for the 4wd, the 3 point hitch and the other capabilities of the machine. And to be honest, if you find a decent 445 or 455 with the Series 40 loader, you are likely looking at spending $5,000 because of the rareness of the loader for those machines.
 

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I have a model 40 FLE on a 425. I have shimmed the hydraulics to 1200+ PSI. At this point she has done everything asked. I have loaded and unloaded dirt, gravel, river rock, mulch, and and and. Making sure you have 400-500lbs of weight definitely helps. Having the 445 over 425 is a 2hp difference and maybe 26” vs 23” rear tires. I a cold climate fuel injection may be good, but in KC both my 425’s fired right up at -2. The 455 is about the same. It’s got a few Lbs on the 445 and bigger tires. All 3 have the the same rear end and frame as far as I know. I did take an Ass eating for buying the loader, but now she uses it almost as much as I do!!! I did end up buying a second 425 it’s AWS to mow/plow with. She liked the 425 over a zero turn!! Now no loader off loader on to mow. Just my preference to have it off while mowing with a few hills. Also I do have shims left if anyone would need a couple. Think I added 3. Took 2-2-1/2 hours to shim it. Pull the floor pan and fuel tank and it’s right there. shims were maybe 5$ for 25 I think.
 

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