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I've seen about a zillion posts on box blades but every circumstance is unique. I'm starting the evaluation process on box blades now that the ground is getting softer with more regular rain. I'm not committed to buying this fall and could wait till next spring if need be.

My machine is a 4720 which is capable of managing a box blade far larger than my budget. :cray: I also am working up and down substantial grade. My land was partially lumbered years ago and the skidsteers that did the work left their mark in many spots. That and I have several percs to backfill and grade. My budget is ~$1300.

I set this limit because its close to what I get a Frontier 2172 with which seems a respectable unit (hinged reverse blade, heavier than most, etc..) - I'm not fixated on Frontier or a model exactly like the 2172... it's just a attractive reference point. Going larger is both more expensive and makes navigation in the woodland trails challenging. I'd consider going bigger but I'd need a darn good reason.

The intent is to level rutted trails, smooth and fill in lumpy lawn/fields, landscaping around a build site and gravel road maintenance.

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A flat section of rutted trail. I have trails far worse than this on steep grades. :hide:

I'd really like to hear what the forum thinks given the grade, and cost constraints. I'm not familar with too many other brands offerings in the box blade dept. nor do I have much experience with them so your input will almost certainly help!

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I am interested in this also as I will be in need to one to maintain a 800 foot road. 72" will just cover my tires.
 

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Go to M Nolan Farms in Lapeer, MI. Used to be a JD dealer, but sold off to Tri-County and are located right next to them now selling only used. They had 2, (new very old stock) 84" HD box blades with hydraulic rippers. In my opinion this is the perfect set up for your 4720 and is very similar to the box blade I have, except it's a little heftier and is iMatch compatible. I referred a TBN member to them a couple months ago and they bought one and said it worked great for them. If I remember correctly, they got it for a similar price what your looking for, but Everything Attachments retails it online for almost $5,000.

Oh, and whatever you get, you want 84" minimum to cover your tracks. I've graded a trail narrower than that with my 84" box blade and 110. Weight can also be your friend or enemy. I found grading my continuously graded driveway that the 1250 pounds just keeps trying to dig deeper, so you have to keep close eye on the position control. In places like trying to grade that hill, it would take dozens and dozens of passes for my box blade to make a dent because its so hard packed. If you got a lighter box blade, you will be finding ways to put a lot of weight on it.
 

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Thanks for the tip Martian!
I'll swing by this week and see if there's one still there to look at.

84" obviously isn't that much bigger than the 72" and I can see why they'd be desirable over 72". It comes down to cost really.

The weight question comes to mind. A 1000 plus # unit is alot when your working grade, I'd assume an good 84" hydraulic box to come in over that (the one on Everything Attachments was 1500+). I'd worry about tipping wheelie style going up hill even with the FEL on in some places. I haven't work with them much so I've never run into the too much weight/digging-in while dragging. Can adjustments be made to the tilt of the unit from the 3pt to adjust for this if it was an issue?

I'm currently working on a project that would be perfect for a BB. For now, I'm doing all of the leveling with my ratchet rake (Photos later). I worry about doing any extensive grading with the RR is hard on the FEL.

Hydraulic scarifiers...I just put that out of my mind when I saw how much hydraulic units cost. If there's one on the yard at Nolan's in good shape and the price is right, it might be Chrismas in September. :kidw_truck_smiley:


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Weight is your friend. I think of it that my 1250lb hydraulic box blade doesn't hang off the back of my tractor as far as my 1800lb backhoe. For smoothing out really rough packed ground, the more weight, the better, for a driveway sometimes lighters better otherwise it just wants to keep going deeper and can be counterproductive. For what you're looking to do, you want one as heavy as they make it. If you end up getting a lighter model, I'd suggest putting rail road ties on it to add weight. Hopefully the one at Nolan's is still there :good2:
 

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Found a couple pictures of it I took a while back: (and when I say a while I mean it, there was snow on the ground!)
 

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Brian - did you sneak down and pick up the BB at Nolan's? It's gone. :gaah:


Martian - thanks for the pix... If it had still been on the yard I would have been very tempted to give it a good home! My horizons have been widened to include an 84" BB but my budget stands. I'm patient so maybe another one will show up, someday... somewhere. :pray:


My project Sunday afternoon is below. I could have made good use of a BB. The ratchet rake did a fantastic job for the final grade though. :thumbup1gif: Every time I use it, I'm happier I bought it.


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A side view...

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A view from the top.

I have several of these to make so I'll have the chance again.

In the meantime, I'll start scouring the used farm equipment sites.

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I figured it probably was, it was probably January when I saw them. Keep an eye out at the different tractor dealers as they have a lot of stuff they don't list. Every couple months I'll take a saturday and travel half the state looking around the different dealers to see if I can find a good deal on anything I probably don't need, but it's fun anyway.

Does look like you have good need for a box blade! Hopefully you'll find one in short order :good2:
 

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BoxBlade Found and Acquired

Time to resurect this thread for an update. I started watching the used lots in my area after Martian's post about the used BB local to me and found a gem in my area in the last week. Today, I took the hour drive out to the seller's location, kicked the moldboards and decided to pick it up.

It's a used Land Pride HR3584 (84", 1119#, hydraulic scarifier:yahoo:, hinged/fixable rear blade, bladebox blade). It has its share of scratches but the clevises are straight, the welds look good, the scarifier teeth are in good shape (like new) and the blade looks like its suffered from more weather than use (rust only).
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The hoses need replacing due to some cuts down to one layer of wire and the fittings need a swap out for iso connectors but other than than it probably has ~10 hours of use based on the paint wear (or it was used to move beach sand...). I have a 950ft driveway, numerous ruts/trails and a future yard to landscape/grade. I'm looking forward to many years of productivity out of this baby!:lol:

I'm probably near the upper limit for weight for the tractor and when full (28cuft), I'm sure I'll use everything my machine's got. But thats why I got it - Woohoo!


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Well, your patience sure paid off. :good2: Now you need top and tilt cylinders for your 3pt hitch to make full use out of that fine box blade that you just found. :thumbup1gif:
 

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Great deal Matt! Patience is indeed a virtue!

As for the hoses, my opinion is they if the wires are not rusty and/or broken then just wrap them in a good quality electrical tape and get a few more years out of them.
 

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Thanks!
It'll be a bit before I get to try it out. It's still on the sellers lot... Oddly enough, it wouldn't fit in my Pontiac Vibe :tongue:. I was on the fence before I saw it so I decided to save gas/use the Vibe if I didn't decide to get it as I'm in not in a rush at the moment. I need to go back and get it with more substantial transport. With the season as it is, there is not much to do with it right now other than the repairs.

Great deal Matt! Patience is indeed a virtue!

As for the hoses, my opinion is they if the wires are not rusty and/or broken then just wrap them in a good quality electrical tape and get a few more years out of them.
Here's a pic of one of the hoses. Maybe I can get by with silicone sealant in the slits and tape... Give me your opinion. It's not much to fix w/ new hoses so thats my plan at the moment (and fix fittings - bottom cylinder set looks leaky). I can get new lines for ~$15ea. I like a tight, dry hydraulic system.

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Oh yeah... gotta update my sig/profile!!!:yahoo:

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Hoses are cheap and those have seen better days. I'm sure Kenny will agree when he sees the pic.:hi:
 

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It's a used Land Pride HR3584 (84", 1119#, hydraulic scarifier:yahoo:, hinged/fixable rear blade, bladebox blade). It has its share of scratches but the clevises are straight, the welds look good, the scarifier teeth are in good shape (like new) and the blade looks like its suffered from more weather than use (rust only).

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Nice find. It looks nearly new!!
 

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Hoses are cheap and those have seen better days. I'm sure Kenny will agree when he sees the pic.:hi:
Yup, I agree now...those wires are all rusty. They look like JIC fittings on that end of the hose Matt.
 

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Really nice looking box blade! Hope you enjoy it.. you'll definitely love the hydraulic rippers.
 

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When you buy the box blade, get a hydraulic top link too. The hydraulic top link makes a box blade about 100x more useful.
 

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When you buy the box blade, get a hydraulic top link too. The hydraulic top link makes a box blade about 100x more useful.
I agree! A hydraulic top link is very high on my list. :good2: Now, if I can just convince my wife that it's the great idea I think it is... Perhaps later this year when I can demonstrate the "need" in when I get the bb out to use the first time.

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I agree! A hydraulic top link is very high on my list. :good2: Now, if I can just convince my wife that it's the great idea I think it is... Perhaps later this year when I can demonstrate the "need" in when I get the bb out to use the first time.

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I know that it is none on my business, wait, yes it is, sort of. :think: Anyway, you have yourself a top notch industrial quality box blade, don't stop with figuring that you only need a top link. You need a complete Top & Tilt set. Many people forget about getting a hydraulic side link, but when you are grading, the side link needs to be used quite often. When you are first grading in rough ground, it needs to be used even more.

A complete "TnT" set for your tractor is only $635 + shipping costs. That is the top & side hydraulic links, 4 hoses with the male QD ends and 2 hydraulic flow restrictors. As well as that LP3584 will work for you, double that with the addition of a "TnT" set. :bye:
 
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