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Has anyone had experience with John Deere's LP48004 (de)-Thatcher?
How about LP48004?
I don't know how to post links to these. Sorry

I'm thinking of ordering a thatcher (it sounds weird to call it a thatcher, I want to call it a de-thatcher). I'm also think of getting 2- 8" extensions so that it would be 54" wide.

Plus I'm thinking of getting a de-thatcher brakcet that fits on my quick hitch bracket from D&L Creative Concepts. Again, 'm trying to post a link...hope this works.
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?redir_token=oQXOVFyW49L9-oRvb985dNea5UF8MTUxODI5OTE1NEAxNTE4MjEyNzU0&event=video_description&v=lgU2E0ruqL4&q=http://stores.ebay.com/D-L-Creative-Concepts


Opinions and comments on a part or all of this setup are welcomed.

Thanks,
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What do you want to know.I have one for both my tractors.
 

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What do you want to know.I have one for both my tractors.
1. Do you have the 38" thatcher with 8" extensions?
1.a. Does JD make a wider thatcher other then the 38"? Maybe I wouldn't have to add extensions if they do.
1.b. How wide is your thatcher?
2. Why did you choose the manual lift lever over the quickhitch hydraulic option?
2.a. Was the quickhitch option not available?
2.b. With the manual up and down, do you get enough down pressure for the tines?
2.c. Was cost a factor? I do not know how much the lever costs. I would be around $545 for the quickhitch bracket, thatcher and 2- 8" extensions.
 
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1. Do you have the 38" thatcher with 8" extensions?
1.a. Does JD make a wider thatcher other then the 38"? Maybe I wouldn't have to add extensions if they do.
1.b. How wide is your thatcher?
2. Why did you choose the manual lift lever over the quickhitch hydraulic option?
2.a. Was the quickhitch option not available?
2.b. With the manual up and down, do you get enough down pressure for the tines?
2.c. Was cost a factor? I do not know how much the lever costs. I would be around $545 for the quickhitch bracket, thatcher and 2- 8" extensions.
1) Yes,it's the 38/40 with the 8" extensions. That's the biggest they make.
1b) 54"
2)The manual lift isn't bad,it has spring assist.
2a) I don't have a quick hitch besides it going to make stick way out front.By the time you have the dethatcher and bagger on it's long enough,add on the length of the quick hitch.
2c)The mount kit for a x7xx is $215
 

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I just ordered the 38" thatcher, 2 - 8" extensions ($45 shipping) and the quickhitch attachment (free shipping). I will assemble it and post a picture(s) and maybe a video of it on my tractor in my shed hopefully later this week.

I'll give a review of it when our snow is gone and I'm able to use it.
 
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I have used the same thatcher for all of my JD's, started with a 318, 322, X485 and now X728. Just needed to buy some brackets when I put it on the X tractors. Last fall I purchased that bracket you mentioned from D & L. I haven't installed it yet, looks very strong and nicely built....
 

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Donner,
Thank you for the reply. I think the bracket from D&L looks solid, too.

Similar to you, many people on this forum have had many tractors. I'm jealous of the numerous tractors you have had or may still have. I have 1 tractor. Plus the many talents of people on this forum are incredible. Fabrication, electrical, motors, adaptation, improvising, etc....impressed is an understatement. I read and read and read about many topics on this forum; however, IMO, the knowledge I get from reading doesn't equally compare to the real experiences you guys have had.

When I was younger my dad had bought a used John Deere with a mower and a snow blower over 20+ years ago (I think it may have been a 318, I can't remember). This is my first tractor as an adult and I am enjoying it a lot.
 
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I forgot to add, you don't need any weight on the front mounted de-thatcher. If you were using a pull behind, which was my first one, you might need weights.....
 

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I guess this is the Minnesota thread... :bigthumb:

I have one for the font of my X585 with the extensions. Not sure of the size. Probably 8" on each side. It has the manual lift. Yes there is spring assist that helps. A quick tug will pop it up, you can hold it or hook it. For instance if turning around I will pop it up and normally hold it because I will set it right back down.

I have mentioned on another thread that my normal process is have the quick hitch on for the winter stuff. Mostly blade but I did have the blower on the other day when we got that foot of snow. First time in 3-4 years I think. Anyhow I have been holding off and leave the quick hitch on until it is time to dethatch. I pull the quick hitch and put that away for the summer. Hit the yard with the dethatcher and then pick up the debris with the Z950R. That is doing spring cleaning basically. Getting the late falling leaves. Then the dethatcher gets put away and the Front End Loader (FEL) gets put on for the spring/summer/fall. It did work well as a combo unit with the mower deck and material collection system (MCS) but I have retired my X585 from mowing and MCS duties since picking up the Z950R two years ago.

I would say the biggest complaint I have with the front mounted dethatcher, it would be that sliding pin that they have to mount it to the tractor. The reason I would lift it to turn around is that the side force on the dethatcher was always too great with that sliding pin and it would pop out of the front of the tractor. Then I would have to shut everything down and fight with it to connect it again. Those springs used for assisting the lift will cause problems. One day about 5 years ago I got fed up with that sliding pin and removed it. I now bolt it to the front of the tractor with a couple bolts with lock nuts. While taking longer to connect, it doesn't pop off.

As for the quick hitch option. I never knew it was an option until last week when I stumbled across a video a week ago and a member here mentioned having one. I am torn right now I will either build a bracket to mount it to my Z950R so I only have to run one machine around for that spring clean up. Or convert it to quick hitch. They want $190 I think for the adapter. Who knows if too busy and I opt that route I might buy one or it would be a fun excuse to bust out the welder and do a little metal fab. I don't see any reason to not use it. It will make connecting much easier in my case. If you fight that sliding pin normal mounting method, it resolves that problem. So something to consider. Though if I didn't already have a quick hitch, it would be way too expensive for my blood.
 
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I got home today. Here is what was waiting for me...
 

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I'm glad someone else is looking at these front mount units and kicking around the idea of not spending the money on the factor spring lift and instead doing a hydraulic lift. I have a x758 as well as my father in law and we can't believe the guys at JD could be so ignorant as to not make this thing capable of being used with the factory hydraulic system....$13K+ tractor :banged:

So from what I've found there's two options...

- Buy a JD front quick hitch which is already setup with hydraulic lift. Modify the mounting points on the detacher to accept the front quick hitch.

- Buy a 1 1/4" hitch to stick in the front receiver, make an L bracket that can be welded to it. Weld a mounting point to the top of the dethatcher. Talk to the guys at Fit Rite about a hydraulic ram/ hoses for this use.


Option A example along with a video
https://youtu.be/lgU2E0ruqL4


Option B example
Hydraulic Thatcher - MyTractorForum.com - The Friendliest Tractor Forum and Best Place for Tractor Information


***Just realized in that video the guy that took it left the contact info for the vendor that makes the quick hitch to dethatcher brackets. I looked at the vendor's eBay store and no longer see the brackets available. I sent sent them an email and inquired for myself as well as any others that might have interest. I'm not sure about anyone else but this is likely should have been designed this way from the factor imo.
 
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AWESOME NEWS!!!! Just heard back from the vendor on eBay in regards to the brackets for the front dethatcher that make it easily compatible and functional with the quick hitch. He will be listing a couple sets in the next couple days. Guess I will be ordering a front dethatcher in the near future as well. I was dreading customizing the setup...not nearly as much as I was dreading trying to rake my compacted lawn by hand as a result of driving a skid steer and 8 ton excavator across it two dozen times.
 
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Looking a little closer after the 5th and 6th viewing lol I realized the brackets that the eBay vendor sells eleiminated the need to buy that very expensive dethatcher mounting kit, which is normally $200-220 plus shipping. This certainly make justifying his brackets and the expensive quick hitch a little easier.
 
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Dethatch or aerate?

...not nearly as much as I was dreading trying to rake my compacted lawn by hand as a result of driving a skid steer and 8 ton excavator across it two dozen times

If compaction is the problem, you might want to consider a core aerator.
 

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I have considered a core aerator however the tow behinds don’t seem very good. The larger ones that attach to a 3pt and are 6’ and several hundred pounds do work. From what I’ve always read the smaller 4’ ones that is tow behind never penetrates well.

My grass is still 3” tall it’s just mashed flat into my topsoil as a result from repetitive drive over.

I think regardless of building this dethatcher I will have to consider looking into a core aerator again.

Hell maybe I have to do both in some areas like hardback abs only dethatch in the smooshed grass areas.
 

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I have considered a core aerator however the tow behinds don’t seem very good. The larger ones that attach to a 3pt and are 6’ and several hundred pounds do work. From what I’ve always read the smaller 4’ ones that is tow behind never penetrates well.

My grass is still 3” tall it’s just mashed flat into my topsoil as a result from repetitive drive over.

I think regardless of building this dethatcher I will have to consider looking into a cor aerator again.

Hell maybe I have to do both. I’m
I use a tow behind. I has some pretty heavy 1" steel plate that was added for ballast and while I agree if I try and do it middle of summer if it hasn't rained in a few weeks that it won't do much. However spring time after the snow goes out just as the frost comes out of the ground or after a few days of steady rain it works just fine. You just have to work around the weather a bit. I suppose ground composition is going to come into play as well. If you have a lot of clay it probably doesn't matter what you use.
 
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Where I have regraded and grown grass there’s 3-4” of topsoil over some dense dirt/clay mix. I do water my lawn in the summer to keep it greenish so I could work around a watering session. Which model do you use, a JD or a brinley or one of those really nice once’s that costs $1500.

Isn’t there a downside to coring and upsetting the ground?
 
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Where I have regraded and grown grass there’s 3-4” of topsoil over some dense dirt/clay mix. I do water my lawn in the summer to keep it greenish so I could work around a watering session. Which model do you use, a JD or a brinley or one of those really nice once’s that costs $1500.

Isn’t there a downside to coring and upsetting the ground?
Nothing fancy. It kind of looks like this one.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660208_200660208

Like I mentioned if you have clay it will make it kind of difficult.
 
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I got home today. Here is what was waiting for me...
Thank you for helping to direct me towards this, this was extremely helpful. Between yourself and the youtube video which supplied me with the vendors name I would have been pissed off trying to fabricate it from scratch. It would have worked but looked like crap :LOL:

Doug at D&L Creative Concepts who manufactures these was a solid vendor and replied to my questions quickly. Unfortunately at this time he's only on mytractorforum.com (dternus) and on eBay with his own store (D&L Creative Concepts). My order has been placed...now I need to locate a QH and a front dethatcher! Time to research and swipe!

http://www.mytractorforum.com/12-john-deere-forum/1237970-%2Aquick-hitch-de-thatcher-attachment%2A.html
 
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