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I plan on fabricating or modifying a plow for my 1023E. Im also thinking about using Artillians plow mount to mount it to the Artillian fork frame.
I have fabricated many plows over the years from a small 48" for my 1965 110 to 30' plows for large front end loaders to a 42' plow for the airport on a large quarry loader (pictured) I even built a wagon to pull with the loader to haul the 42' similar to a corn or grain head on a combine. I have also operated these plows on the loaders . Plows on loaders are way more maneuverable than truck mounted any day imho.
So just wondering what your thoughts are on a loader mounted snow plow VS a frame mounted quick hitch snow plow on a 1023E pros & cons.
 

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Neat work...


If you search for "Loader Plow" in the search box you will find TONS of opinions on this very subject.
 

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I ran my plow on the Quick Hitch for the first couple of storms last winter. After the 2nd storm I found that I had no place left to push the snow to. Once you have snow banks 3' high on either side of the driveway you're sunk. The Quick Hitch was great for plowing but didn't have enough height to stack the snow up. So I quickly bought the Artillian adapter, put it on and was off and running. I was able to stack snow 10' high on both sides of the driveway. With last winter's record snowfall here, I would have been hurting without the plow on the loader.
 

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Your prior fabrication work pictured is impressive. And I agree completely with your comment about loader mounted plows vrs truck mounted plows being a big advantage.

Frontier makes a loader mounted plow assembly for the 3 series and larger tractors. It is a very heavy unit (500 plus pounds if I recall) and I like the concept of it, but those who have tried this very unit on the 1 series have found the tractor dangerously overloaded. There was actually one for sale by a member who sold it through Craigslist because his tractor couldn't handle it.

The loader style mount is very logical in that the entire front end loader structure is built to push loads and lift them. It is engineered to properly load the tractor frame, which is another advantage. I personally would like the idea of the loader style mounted snowplow on the 1 series simply to make the most use of the loader assembly during the winter, instead of dismounting the entire device and setting it aside while using the Quik Tach mount unit for the snowplow.

With that said, one of the bigger advantages for me with the Quik Tach setup is the ability to quickly "pivot" from the front snowplow to the front mounted blower within about 2 minutes. Obviously, using a loader approach plow would severely limit that option and make the process to switch to a front mounted blower more time consuming, plus it still would require the front hitch setup for the snowblower.

Some are using a front mounted plow set up and a rear mounted 3 point hitch blower. For the type of work I do with the blower, a rear mounted blower wouldn't be as practical due to the close quarters I work in as well as the efficiency of operating something which requires you to turn around , which for me, is at least a two hour expedition each time I do my snow removal. Anyone who has ever run a large snowblower knows you want to be extremely careful about what you are putting through the blower and working in tight quarters, in a looking backward position is simply something I am not willing to do for safety reasons and for my neck and spinal issues which have endured numerous surgical repairs.

So if in your snow removal needs you are unlikely to need to use a snow blower, or if you need the ability to "Stack snow" the loader mounted plow works extremely well. I don't have the fabrication skills nor the access to the materials that you obviously do. I did build a custom plow for my front mounted Quik hitch by taking two of the John Deere 54" front mounted plows and I cut the center mount out of one plow and welded the ends onto the other resulting in a front mounted plow with a width of 87" (7' 3") wide and I fabricated a new cutting edge and a top mounted roll shield. I mounted a rubber plow edge on the plow which does require replacement about mid season, which involves unbolting it and flipping it over, but I like the job it does and the extremely clean pavement it leaves behind.

I have used the plow now for 3 seasons and it works extremely well. I had to add the proper rear counter weights to address the added front weight. I plow a total of about 10 to 12 residential driveways which average 60 yards long each as well as about 1/2 mile of private association roads and a large cul de sac about 120' across.

I wish there was a FEL snow plow mounted plow available for the 1 series, but if necessary, I could fabricate one as well. Actually the plow I have built could be easily modified by adding the loader style mounts on it, but right now I am using the plow on a different tractor for which I do not have a FEL.

Please make sure to post pictures of anything you do build or modifications you make as we all love to see the work of a true craftsman.:bigthumb:
 

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I too went with the Artillian fork frame and 54" plow this past summer. Like the option of pushing up piles the first time while plowing, instead of trying to stack and consolidate frozen snow boulders with the bucket later.
Might not get a chance to actually use it though as it hasn't snowed a lick yet. But that's okay too. It's because I have the new set up is why.:laugh:
 

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I bought the extreme metal products loader mounter plow and so far its a great plow. Its 72 inches and comes in three boxes that assemble very quickly and then just two pins and your ready to plow

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I am not a fan of loader mounted blades but if I owned a 1 series tractor I would definitely look into one.
IMO, The quick hitch snow plow blade on the 1 series or the 2 series...
Is too narrow
The moldboard is not high enough
Has limited raise height/flexibility (no stacking ability)
Float mode for plowing snow can be a PITA (may outrun the drop rate)
 

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I have the quick hitch 54 snow plow frame mount I find the plow too small but it plows without lost of traction uphill.With this set up and rear chains i had very good control over the tractor/ex jd2210 and great results on long gravel steep roads with lots of snow Now i have the front loader blade/artillian option but i could not test it -no snow My main concern is how stable will be my tractor going down hill and uphill with front loader plow???side push/lifting front wheels /traction It is kind of too long to plow only down hill:munch:
 

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Loader mount plow

I have the Curtis plow that was originally for a Kabota pin on and the price was right so made two towers that fit the 410 loader quick attach bucket system. Used all last year and never had a issue even with out chains. This year went to the QA JD 54 snow blower and it works as well. It is a toss up for me which one. I know the 72 plow clears a path wide enough for the tractor wheels to clear. I only have filled tires and no chains.
 

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The main issue is the JD quick attach is simply not up to the task for serious plowing. The whole design is very fragile and combined with the loose attachment it is very unforgiving of the stresses involved with plowing. It doesn't take much use at all before the mounting slots start to show elongation. Forget about trying to use something larger than the 54" blade.

It is barely adequate for carrying a snow blower. I am very uncomfortable with the way it slams back and forth on the locking pin.

For these reasons I feel you are much better off with a loader mounted plow.

With either mounting method you must be careful, go slow, and watch out for obstacles.
 

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I use my rear blade typically in the winter for small snow depths and would love a loader mounted blade. (I am tired of getting off and changing the angle)

I typically only need to run it the first storm or so until the ground is frozen (Gravel) but this year so far we have had a few storms and I have yet to be able to use the blower due to it thawing. (Didn't have that problem last year)
 

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Having used everything Deere offers for the 1000-2000 sized tractors, I've found this to be the best overall solution. Of course, everyone has their own preferences and each person's property may lead them to choose differently.

With the Deere front blower, this task used to take 45-60 minutes. With this plow setup, I can be back in sipping hot cocoa and Bailey's in about 20-30.

 

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Having used everything Deere offers for the 1000-2000 sized tractors, I've found this to be the best overall solution. Of course, everyone has their own preferences and each person's property may lead them to choose differently.

With the Deere front blower, this task used to take 45-60 minutes. With this plow setup, I can be back in sipping hot cocoa and Bailey's in about 20-30.

Nice video! The only confusing part was near the end when someone appeared out of nowhere and seemed to be carrying a strange stick-like apparatus.
 

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Having used everything Deere offers for the 1000-2000 sized tractors, I've found this to be the best overall solution. Of course, everyone has their own preferences and each person's property may lead them to choose differently.

With the Deere front blower, this task used to take 45-60 minutes. With this plow setup, I can be back in sipping hot cocoa and Bailey's in about 20-30.

That's the video made me drink the Artillian Kool Aid.:bigbeer:
 

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Your prior fabrication work pictured is impressive. And I agree completely with your comment about loader mounted plows vrs truck mounted plows being a big advantage.

Frontier makes a loader mounted plow assembly for the 3 series and larger tractors. It is a very heavy unit (500 plus pounds if I recall) and I like the concept of it, but those who have tried this very unit on the 1 series have found the tractor dangerously overloaded. There was actually one for sale by a member who sold it through Craigslist because his tractor couldn't handle it.

The loader style mount is very logical in that the entire front end loader structure is built to push loads and lift them. It is engineered to properly load the tractor frame, which is another advantage. I personally would like the idea of the loader style mounted snowplow on the 1 series simply to make the most use of the loader assembly during the winter, instead of dismounting the entire device and setting it aside while using the Quik Tach mount unit for the snowplow.

With that said, one of the bigger advantages for me with the Quik Tach setup is the ability to quickly "pivot" from the front snowplow to the front mounted blower within about 2 minutes. Obviously, using a loader approach plow would severely limit that option and make the process to switch to a front mounted blower more time consuming, plus it still would require the front hitch setup for the snowblower.

Some are using a front mounted plow set up and a rear mounted 3 point hitch blower. For the type of work I do with the blower, a rear mounted blower wouldn't be as practical due to the close quarters I work in as well as the efficiency of operating something which requires you to turn around , which for me, is at least a two hour expedition each time I do my snow removal. Anyone who has ever run a large snowblower knows you want to be extremely careful about what you are putting through the blower and working in tight quarters, in a looking backward position is simply something I am not willing to do for safety reasons and for my neck and spinal issues which have endured numerous surgical repairs.

So if in your snow removal needs you are unlikely to need to use a snow blower, or if you need the ability to "Stack snow" the loader mounted plow works extremely well. I don't have the fabrication skills nor the access to the materials that you obviously do. I did build a custom plow for my front mounted Quik hitch by taking two of the John Deere 54" front mounted plows and I cut the center mount out of one plow and welded the ends onto the other resulting in a front mounted plow with a width of 87" (7' 3") wide and I fabricated a new cutting edge and a top mounted roll shield. I mounted a rubber plow edge on the plow which does require replacement about mid season, which involves unbolting it and flipping it over, but I like the job it does and the extremely clean pavement it leaves behind.

I have used the plow now for 3 seasons and it works extremely well. I had to add the proper rear counter weights to address the added front weight. I plow a total of about 10 to 12 residential driveways which average 60 yards long each as well as about 1/2 mile of private association roads and a large cul de sac about 120' across.

I wish there was a FEL snow plow mounted plow available for the 1 series, but if necessary, I could fabricate one as well. Actually the plow I have built could be easily modified by adding the loader style mounts on it, but right now I am using the plow on a different tractor for which I do not have a FEL.

Please make sure to post pictures of anything you do build or modifications you make as we all love to see the work of a true craftsman.:bigthumb:

I agree near 100% with all of this.

There are however loader mount plows available for the 1 and 2 series, I have one. It's not a Deere/Frontier, but it's equal or better quality and oriced very well. Check out the Horst Welding HLA Snow 1000 series.
 
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I agree near 100% with all of this.

There are however loader mount plows available for the 1 and 2 series, I have one. It's not a Deere/Frontier, but it's equal or better quality and oriced very well. Check out the Horst Welding HLA Snow 1000 series.
The claimed weight of the 60" is 385 lbs. Do you plow mostly in straight lines? If not, how does it behave when turning while plowing, if I might ask?
 

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The claimed weight of the 60" is 385 lbs. Do you plow mostly in straight lines? If not, how does it behave when turning while plowing, if I might ask?
Chris

I'll have to see if I can find the freight shipper for it, 385# seems more than I remember it to be.

As far as performance, I think it's a great fit for my 32r. I have added rubber extensions to both sides, and replaced the stock manual angle adjustment bar with hydraulics. I have grooved my R4's but I can plow in straight lines in just 2wd. A good portion of my drive is a large circle, so in 4wd I can do it all with ease even with a good amount of snow 8-12". The only issue I have is when I'm turning right on the inside of curves and I'm stacking snow in the bank, if I have too much downpressure the plow will skirt to the left out of the pile, but then again if I go back into it and adjust the blade pressure it works as I want it to.

Horst snow actually reminds me of your fork frame fab, it has strategic cutouts on the frame to lighten it, my FIL has a Frontier 72" version on his 4610 and it's much heavier for the 1' of extra width.
 

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I agree with essentially all of the observations on this thread. However, for my situation, I have come to a different conclusion. Here's why:

1. While I agree about the weakness of the quick hitch, I really like the compact nature of the 54 blade mounted on it. I remove everything from the rear of the tractor, including the 3 point links. This allows me to turn around in a very small area, backing right up to the garage door. I find it somewhat difficult to push the snow near someone's garage door, so the compact size and short turning radius of the 54 blade/1 series combo seems about as optimal as possible.

2. While I agree about the limited lift of the quick hitch, we don't get 2-3+ feet of snow here, so I don't have to worry too much about large piles of snow. So far, I've been able to push the snow piles far enough out of the way to get by (on my driveway as well as on all of the neighbors).

3. I use my Artillian forks all of the time, even in the winter. I didn't want to have to lift/strain to remove the forks, and put on the QH frame repeatedly during the winter. I would likely have wanted a separate Artillian frame for the quick hitch to make this easy.

4. Cost. I don't need the diverter for other purposes (no grapple, even though I drool over it). So, the cost just didn't seem like it was worth it to me.

I'm a HUGE Artillian fan. I have Chris' products all over my tractor, and will buy more as time/money permits. However, for me, the QH frame for loader mounted plow does not seem like the right answer.

If I had a longer, more open area to plow, had more snow, I would jump on the Artillian loader mount solution. I would still like this better than a blower...afterall, you can go FAST, and you don't look like a snowman due while working due to the wind-blowing snow back into your face.

Also, if my tear up my quick hitch due to the inherent weakness, I will re-evaluate this decision as well.

Oh, one more thing. The 54 blade and QH hardware is essentially all necessary for the Artillian solution, so consider buying the blade and QH now, then later adding the Artillian loader mount adapter later if/when you see that it would help you.

I hope this is helpful to those still trying to decide.

Tim
 
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