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I have purchased a home with a very steep yard. The garden tractor will not go up or down it. Have been convinced the 2025r with mmm would be my best machine to cut it with. I now see that the 2032 with spacers is almost a foot wider. And I could put a finish mower on back for a lot less than the mmm. Has anyone used a finish mower on steep terrain. I know on an ag Tractor and bush hog it will just lift up the 3pt arms when you start up a steep incline. I assume the finish mower would do the same. Any advice or experience or opinions would be appreciated. Possibly even the finish mower on the 2025r. I don’t have many obstacles to mow around. Just really steep smooth Blue Ridge Mountains.


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This is just sort of a guess but I think I would feel more comfortable with the MMM in that situation.
 

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The 2032 feels like a much larger machine. And is quite a bit heavier. My concern is it would be too much for the yard. However the much wider stance keeps pulling me. I have discussed the 2 inch spacers for the 2025r on here before. That’s an option also. What’s actual width of a new 2025r with r4 tires? About 48?


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Also on the hills I can go straight up and down. Don’t have to side hill but very little.


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The 2032 feels like a much larger machine. And is quite a bit heavier. My concern is it would be too much for the yard. However the much wider stance keeps pulling me. I have discussed the 2 inch spacers for the 2025r on here before. That’s an option also. What’s actual width of a new 2025r with r4 tires? About 48?


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When I measured mine outside of rear tire to rear tire with straight edge mine was 49", 52" now with 1.5" wheel spacers. But as I think I mentioned to you once before I easily could have gone with 2" and possibly 2.5" with a 60d MMM. Rethinking the original question the horse pastures that I mow with the rotary cutter are very very steep, weights on the front and MFWD engaged I have never had an issue with traction.
 

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How steep is steep? I have 3 areas that are 30 degrees that I mow sideways and up and down. Anything more than that and I'd seriously question mowing it at all. I'd either landscape the slope to make it mower friendly or put ground cover on it so I didn't have to mow it. Honestly, if you have any garden tractor series from a 3xx on up and it is too steep for them, a 2xxx or 3xxx series won't gain you much except a false sense of security that could cost someone their life. Mowing slopes requires adequate traction and torque. A heavier machine will increase traction to a degree and will likely have more torque for pulling those slopes but if you are using turf tires on any machine with otherwise acceptable torque, it will not have the traction necessary to climb. You have to get the available power to the ground and make it stick. We used to have a saying when we dragraced hotrods. If your tires are spinning, you are losing. A 500 cube big block with 650HP set up correctly with the wrong tires has no chance of winning.:hi:
 

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How steep is steep? I have 3 areas that are 30 degrees that I mow sideways and up and down. Anything more than that and I'd seriously question mowing it at all. I'd either landscape the slope to make it mower friendly or put ground cover on it so I didn't have to mow it. Honestly, if you have any garden tractor series from a 3xx on up and it is too steep for them, a 2xxx or 3xxx series won't gain you much except a false sense of security that could cost someone their life. Mowing slopes requires adequate traction and torque. A heavier machine will increase traction to a degree and will likely have more torque for pulling those slopes but if you are using turf tires on any machine with otherwise acceptable torque, it will not have the traction necessary to climb. You have to get the available power to the ground and make it stick. We used to have a saying when we dragraced hotrods. If your tires are spinning, you are losing. A 500 cube big block with 650HP set up correctly with the wrong tires has no chance of winning.:hi:
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Don’t know the slope or percentage but one side just gets steeper until it can’t be mowed. It’s steep but is flat at bottom and at top.



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Don’t know the slope or percentage but one side just gets steeper until it can’t be mowed. It’s steep but is flat at bottom and at top.



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if u got 4 wheel drive then u should be able to mow it, as long as u got a flat spot at bottom and top to turn around at.

my aunt's place where i stayed at has a steep hill, i mow it with my 2520 in 4 wheel drive with my frontier gm1072-which is a RFM--i hang 3 42 lb weights on the front of it. it is steep too-and at the top, i hate to turn where i do, once i get turned it's all downhill to about 20 feet from the bottom i then have to turn to go back up:laugh: but a couple yrs ago, the state came thru-and cut the bank back in some, now i can just go right down to the blacktop and turn around. now that made it nicer there-but up the road a bit-it made that part steeper-so i have to play rosey round the posies :lol: one spot i just point it straight and slide down over it. not uch grass grows there anyways-just them thumping locust trees. but if u don't keep them cut back-every couple yrs-well u know what happens. they get bigger. i need to take a pic of that hill. it still gives me the willey's for the first mow of the summer.
 

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I have some sections on my land (Blue Ridge Mountains as well) that I have measured with a level app on my phone that are about 38 degrees. I can mow straight up and down without trouble using my rotary cutter... as long as the ground is dry!

It is not lawn per se, just field, so maybe it's apples and oranges. But with the rotary cutter on back and the FEL on the front and using 4wd, it can do it easily. It can be unnerving the first few times, but as long as it is dry, it is no problem. A finish mower would probably perform as well, but the 4wd would probably be rough on a real lawn. I don't have any real lawn there, so can't say. :laugh:
 

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I think you would be much safer on a ZTR that's designed for mowing on slopes.
 

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Honestly that doesn't look any worse than what I mow with my 455. Dry is key. Damp grass mowing sideways is a no go. I have Carlisle All Trails and not turfs. I would never try it with turfs.
 

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How was it mowed before you bought the place? Any chance to talk to the former owner or someone who might know? Maybe a neighbor if you can't speak to the former owner.

Mowing on slopes is tricky business. It's also dangerous business. Having MFWD or some sort of 4 wd is helpful if the traction is bad, especially GOING DOWN the slope, just as much as it is coming up the slope. Anything 2 wd on the slope and you have to be aware of what happens when the rear wheels start to slide on the slope due to wet grass, leaves or wet leaves (the worst). When the 2wd loses traction, you have no way to slow or stop the machine. The tires will just slide on the surface.

At least with some version of 4wd, the front wheels can help control the descent speed on the slippery surface. Obviously, a zero turn mower isn't going to have that option because with a zero turn, not only are your rear wheels your ONLY drive wheels, they are also your ONLY STEER wheels. To be honest, I would rather mow the hill on my zero turn because of the very low center of gravity. But that would be straight up and down the hills and only when the surface is dry.

Personally, I don't know that you are going to see much of a difference between a rear finish mower or a MMM on the SCUT or CUT. Wheel spacers would help some with the balance, but that can all change in a flash if the machine slides sideways or otherwise loses descent control. Losing traction while climbing the hill isn't as bad as losing traction during the descent. Just make sure to NEVER get the machine turned sideways on the hill, regardless.

Usually, the machine's feel stable and like everything is fine right up to the point you totally lose control. Slow and steady, Straight up and down the hill and if you aren't comfortable mowing it due to the equipment or your own personal risk tolerance, it's best to either have someone else mow the hills or convert them into a landscaped feature which doesn't require mowing.

You could always throw up a perimeter fence and put some goats out there. They will keep it trimmed down, plus they will clean up brush, poison ivy and whatever else is there.. Plus they are very sure footed on hills, you know, like a Billy Goat.......:laugh:
 

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How was it mowed before you bought the place? Any chance to talk to the former owner or someone who might know? Maybe a neighbor if you can't speak to the former owner.

Mowing on slopes is tricky business. It's also dangerous business. Having MFWD or some sort of 4 wd is helpful if the traction is bad, especially GOING DOWN the slope, just as much as it is coming up the slope. Anything 2 wd on the slope and you have to be aware of what happens when the rear wheels start to slide on the slope due to wet grass, leaves or wet leaves (the worst). When the 2wd loses traction, you have no way to slow or stop the machine. The tires will just slide on the surface.

At least with some version of 4wd, the front wheels can help control the descent speed on the slippery surface. Obviously, a zero turn mower isn't going to have that option because with a zero turn, not only are your rear wheels your ONLY drive wheels, they are also your ONLY STEER wheels. To be honest, I would rather mow the hill on my zero turn because of the very low center of gravity. But that would be straight up and down the hills and only when the surface is dry.

Personally, I don't know that you are going to see much of a difference between a rear finish mower or a MMM on the SCUT or CUT. Wheel spacers would help some with the balance, but that can all change in a flash if the machine slides sideways or otherwise loses descent control. Losing traction while climbing the hill isn't as bad as losing traction during the descent. Just make sure to NEVER get the machine turned sideways on the hill, regardless.

Usually, the machine's feel stable and like everything is fine right up to the point you totally lose control. Slow and steady, Straight up and down the hill and if you aren't comfortable mowing it due to the equipment or your own personal risk tolerance, it's best to either have someone else mow the hills or convert them into a landscaped feature which doesn't require mowing.

You could always throw up a perimeter fence and put some goats out there. They will keep it trimmed down, plus they will clean up brush, poison ivy and whatever else is there.. Plus they are very sure footed on hills, you know, like a Billy Goat.......:laugh:
It was mowed with a pull behind mower pulled with an atv. Right before I bought it the guy had bought a residential jd zero turn and mowed it with it. I have a jd garden Tractor and even completely dry the rear wheels skid all the way down. Coming uphill my mower transmission seems to stall. I have a new belt for it but seems like the hydro transmission is going out. Has quite a few hours on it so I’m looking forward to a new heavier duty machine.


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It was mowed with a pull behind mower pulled with an atv. Right before I bought it the guy had bought a residential jd zero turn and mowed it with it. I have a jd garden Tractor and even completely dry the rear wheels skid all the way down. Coming uphill my mower transmission seems to stall. I have a new belt for it but seems like the hydro transmission is going out. Has quite a few hours on it so I’m looking forward to a new heavier duty machine.


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What model GT?
 

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I have a steep hill I have mowed for years with my 1020 pulling a 72" landpride AT2572 mower with no problems. This year I replaced it with the 2038R with a 72" MMM and wheel spacers. I used the 4wheel drive and mow up and down. On the hill I feel the pull behind mower actually did a better job mowing than the MMM. I was just talking about it with my wife, she was wondering why I haven't sold the pull behind mower and I told her next weekend I am going to pull it with the 2038 and see which I prefer.
 

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It was mowed with a pull behind mower pulled with an atv. Right before I bought it the guy had bought a residential jd zero turn and mowed it with it. I have a jd garden Tractor and even completely dry the rear wheels skid all the way down. Coming uphill my mower transmission seems to stall. I have a new belt for it but seems like the hydro transmission is going out. Has quite a few hours on it so I’m looking forward to a new heavier duty machine.


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:hide: oh-i thought u had already gotten ur bigger tractor-with 4 wheel drive-sorry about that. but i have to say the 4 wheel drive made a believer out of me. i just wished i would of had it at my old place. used a wheel horse-C-141 WITH A 48 inch deck, ran chains year around on the rear tires, fluid in all 4 tires too. there i mowed the hill sideways, being a rather large fella:lol: i sat on the upper fender every pass i made--for 17 yrs i mowed it that way.:laugh: so i think once u get that newer tractor-u won't have a bit of trouble then,, AS LONG AS U LEAVE IT 4 WHEEL DRIVE, especially on the down hill ride.:hide: don't ask me how i know to.:lol:
 
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