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Does anyone know how I can figure out what kind of implements I can use at the same time. For example: I would like a setup with a flail mower up front and a tiller on the back so I can go at it in one go. I’ve seen this setup on bigger tractors but is the horse power sufficient on a 3038R ? Of will I end up with smaller implements?
I have a 51” flail mower so I would also like a 50” tiller or so.

I do not own a 3038R yet, but that would be a choice for me because the 3045R only comes with an e-hydro.
 

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If I understand the question correctly you would need a front 3 point hitch and front Pto. I am no expert but I would guess you would run out of PTO HP trying to run both at same time assuming you could actually have both attachments on at the same time
 

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Does anyone know how I can figure out what kind of implements I can use at the same time. For example: I would like a setup with a flail mower up front and a tiller on the back so I can go at it in one go. I’ve seen this setup on bigger tractors but is the horse power sufficient on a 3038R ? Of will I end up with smaller implements?
I have a 51” flail mower so I would also like a 50” tiller or so.

I do not own a 3038R yet, but that would be a choice for me because the 3045R only comes with an e-hydro.

Not sure about the 3038 but my 2038 will not operate the front and rear PTO at the same time. You can operate the mid-PTO and rear PTO at the same time. Even if you could operate the front and rear at the same time I wouldn't do it for what you are looking to do. Flail mow high grass then try to till it up will only clog up your tiller. Mow off the high grass, then spray with killer, disk it up, then run your tiller over it.
 

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Not sure about the 3038 but my 2038 will not operate the front and rear PTO at the same time. You can operate the mid-PTO and rear PTO at the same time. Even if you could operate the front and rear at the same time I wouldn't do it for what you are looking to do. Flail mow high grass then try to till it up will only clog up your tiller. Mow off the high grass, then spray with killer, disk it up, then run your tiller over it.
Your 2038R has a front PTO? I thought all 2-series just had a mid and rear PTO? The mid PTO uses a long drive shaft that runs up to the front for front-mounted implements. Which would mean you can't run a front and mid mounted implement at the same time.

You can run a front and rear PTO implement at the same time... i.e. front snow blower and 3PH mounted salt spreader.
 
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I’ve run a MMM at a 6” tall cut setting and my flail mower down at 3” at the same time. Mostly just to try it. HP is marginal on a 2038 to do it. There isn’t any real benefit with my setup. Maybe if I had a RFM using the MMM to precut the tall stuff might eliminate needing a 2nd pass, IDK.


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Your 2038R has a front PTO? I thought all 2-series just had a mid and rear PTO? The mid PTO uses a long drive shaft that runs up to the front for front-mounted implements. Which would mean you can't run a front and mid mounted implement at the same time.

You can run a front and rear PTO implement at the same time... i.e. front snow blower and 3PH mounted salt spreader.
Hahaha no front PTO. it was early when I chimed in. Yeah your are right can run long shaft so yes front and rear PTO would work at same time. still don't recommend what OP wants to do. thanks :bigthumb:
 

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Does anyone know how I can figure out what kind of implements I can use at the same time. For example: I would like a setup with a flail mower up front and a tiller on the back so I can go at it in one go. I’ve seen this setup on bigger tractors but is the horse power sufficient on a 3038R ? Of will I end up with smaller implements?
I have a 51” flail mower so I would also like a 50” tiller or so.

I do not own a 3038R yet, but that would be a choice for me because the 3045R only comes with an e-hydro.
I'm always hesitant to say "never" because most times someone will come along and point out a way to do it. But in this case I'm pretty confident saying that you cannot run a conventional flail mower from the front of a 3-series tractor. I don't even think there is such a thing. Front implements on a 3-series tractor are pretty much limited to a snow blower, a plow and things that can attach to the loader.

Like you said, some big agricultural tractors have a 3-point hitch on the front along with a PTO and full hydraulics.
 

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Uhm, have to say honestly I've never thought about it that a compact tractor might be limited to that. I just assumed that it was possible I guess, because I've seen lots of bigger tractors work front and rear implements at the same time.

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I don't see why I would clog up the tiller. The reason I have a flail mower is that it cuts the grass and weeds up to little pieces and not like a cyclo-mower just cuts the product and leaves the whole length flat on the ground. Do you have other experience?
As you describe it I will need 4 phases. The idea is to do it in 1.
But I don't know if the horse power on a compact tractor is sufficient. The bigger tractors I've seen doing this have more hp but also mowers and tillers of 8 to 9 feet.

So I am wondering can I still use a flail mower and tiller of 4 to 4,5 feet or do I end up with implements of 3 ft or so? Due to lack of power.
Because there is no point in saving time on the number of phases but have to do a lot more runs up and down the fields because you do less ft in a run.

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To my knowledge and backed-up by the build-your-own page of JD you can order a 3p hitch for a 3 series.
-->>But I now see that they limit that to the 3033 and 3046...
And yes there a smaller versions of a reversed flail mower, not many but they exist.

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I’ve run a MMM at a 6” tall cut setting and my flail mower down at 3” at the same time. Mostly just to try it. HP is marginal on a 2038 to do it. There isn’t any real benefit with my setup. Maybe if I had a RFM using the MMM to precut the tall stuff might eliminate needing a 2nd pass, IDK.

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I've seen that too. When vegetation is very dense they put the front mower on a higher position to cut off the length, and take out the mass, and the rear mower to the desired hight to finish to job.

And we have a lot of fields with dense vegetation around here. :cry:
 

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To my knowledge and backed-up by the build-your-own page of JD you can order a 3p hitch for a 3 series.
-->>But I now see that they limit that to the 3033 and 3046...
And yes there a smaller versions of a reversed flail mower, not many but they exist.
My apologies. Call it a "duh" moment but I did not notice that you are in France. There are a lot of options that you guys can get over there that we do not have here.
 
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My apologies. Call it a "duh" moment but I did not notice that you are in France. There are a lot of options that you guys can get over there that we do not have here.
Haha, don't worry. that is vise-versa
The same here i.e. the build-your-own is only on Deere.com for you over there. There is not one country in Europe that offers that,
at least not in a language I can read...:laugh:

And I also find a lot of stuff on the internet that we can't find order here, sometimes not even on import.
 

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I can and do run the mid and rear pto at the same time on my 1026r . The mmm with a pto powered bagger. My tractor probably doesn’t have enough hp to run a mower and tiller at the same time. I have the front snowblower, I’m sure with a little fab work one could put a mower up front.
 

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Haha, don't worry. that is vise-versa
The same here i.e. the build-your-own is only on Deere.com for you over there. There is not one country in Europe that offers that,
at least not in a language I can read...:laugh:

And I also find a lot of stuff on the internet that we can't find order here, sometimes not even on import.
One thing to consider that didn't dawn on me initially.. the front 3PH is going to get its power from the mid-PTO which runs at 2100 RPM. Rear PTO implements usually run at 540 RPM. So you can't just take implements like a flail mower that were designed for the rear 3PH and run them on the front.
 

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One thing to consider that didn't dawn on me initially.. the front 3PH is going to get its power from the mid-PTO which runs at 2100 RPM. Rear PTO implements usually run at 540 RPM. So you can't just take implements like a flail mower that were designed for the rear 3PH and run them on the front.
mmm... true. And it took me a minute to realise that all brands that I know of have the same.
All front PTOs run at a 1000 rpm on compact tractors. What made me to dubbel check the specs of the mower from who I posted the picture in a earlier post. -->> It can handle both.

And it actually makes sense as well, if all tractors have that PTO speed, I suppose the builders of implements have to make their stuff work. Or nobody will buy it. :laugh:

But thanks for your thoughts.

I'm going to see a few dealerships soon, so I will ask the question to them and see what they think about it.

To be continued...

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Um.... Front 3pt seems a common European thing. I've seen some use in North America, but not much. Of that use none with front pto. And almost exclusively on tillage size tractors. This has been mostly cat2 or cat3 size to use ground engaging implements.

To apply to compact tractors, I built a 3pt tool bar that I could attach multiple ground engaging items. I built a thatch rake that could mount to this tool bar and be either pulled or pushed. It worked very well on the rear 3pt. My intention was to build a cat1 3pt adapter for the front of my compact to push this rake ahead of my MMM. Never got that part constructed on that tractor. Still have visions of building a front 3pt for our current tractor. But that is another thread. Another idea was to run a sort of tooth harrow or cultivator type tool in front, then a seeder with another harrow in back to cover the seed for food plots as a single pass process. The idea was sound as with rear 3pt only, I could make a pass with the harrow to open the ground, engage my homemade seeder and cover with the harrow in a second pass.

There is a company, Laforge (?) who makes front 3pt kits. Unfortunately I think they start at cat2 for small tillage size tractors and up. Nothing for compacts I know of.

On my part a lot of the inspiration for all this was seeing a JD compact use in the cranberry bogs. In the flooded bogs they ran the FEL with a double roll type rolling harrow type rollers. On the rear 3pt the ran the same outside of the tire width on both sides. This loosened the berries so they would float. Once floated the berries were extracted with a conveyor off the top of the water.

On the compact tractors I have studied, I have to think getting a mid mount pto extended to the front with a cat1 3pt hitch will be hard to do. That being a direct line type pto connection other than on a dedicated "quick hitch" type set up.

To get the correct height for a cat1 3pt it may take like a chain drive set of sprockets. That wouldn't be all bad as that would be a place to change the pto speed back to 540 rpm.

That is pretty much the extent of my brain storming so far.
Anyone have other useful thoughts or details that will apply ??
 
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