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I sold an item on Marketplace yesterday and the buyer was about an hour plus from where I live. I offered to meet him in the middle and chose the Rural King location as the meeting place.

As I pulled up to the store, I noticed they had about a dozen of their Rural King, made by TYZ tractors out in front of the store. They had half a dozen of the 24HP models and one of each size offering between the base 24 hp tractor up to the 55 hp cab and non cab model tractors. In the 37 HP range, they had both hydro tractors and e shuttle.

The store manager came out while I was looking at the tractors, along with several other potential customers and asked if I had any questions. I asked him how long they had been handling their tractors and he said they just got them, less than 3 weeks ago. I asked how they were selling and he said he had sold 1 of the small tractors and the single 74hp tractor which they had gotten in stock. Now the largest they had was the 55 HP model.

He said the reception was "very good" and there was a lot of interest in them having the tractors. The implements were selling very well as they had gotten in at least 6 of each 3ph implement and they were already down to 1 or 2 on many implements and some were already out of stock.

Note how the backhoe sits on the 3ph arms on the smallest tractor they had in stock. Also, the top link and the adjusters both had storage locations on the machine when the backhoe was on the tractor.

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The backhoe comes with the thumb and it looked pretty stout, to be honest.

They also are selling a line of trailers, I forget the brand. They had single axle utility trailers and a deck over equipment trailer with dual axles and it was 7' x 20' long, for $4,100. It had the 3,500lb axles and the trailer weighs about 2,800, leaving 4,200 lbs for capacity. It appears that they offered heavier axles on other trailers for higher costs.

Check out the rear tires on the RK25 tractor with the backhoe......That tractor was priced at

RK 25 Base Tractor - $13,300
Front End Loader with Bucket - $2,699
Backhoe with Standard Thumb - $5,599
60 MMM Deck - $2,099
Complete Tractor with FEL, MMM and Backhoe - $23,599

The design of the tractor is a different than shown on the brochure. The tractor I saw in the RK25 series, which has the same Yanmar engine as the 1025r series, on the brochure it shows two hood support cylinders which holds the front assembly open. The tractor I saw had two thumbscrews which you removed behind the grille and the entire front grille assembly lifted off the tractor once you unplugged the headlights. Then you pulled the side panels forward and the entire engine compartment was open for easy access.

The tractor engine access is much easier on this machine than on the 1025r. Replacing a battery in the RK tractor is probably a 5 minute job and its located the same place as the Deere 1025r battery, which is much more involved. Also, while the air cleaner on the RK tractor is mounted lengthwise, over the Yanmar engine, its does not mount the way the troublesome air cleaner was mounted on the Deere models. It uses a bracket which mounts down on the side of the engine, not to the top cover of the valve train.

The tractor appears to be built better than I expected it to be, to be honest. Going to be interesting to see how it sells and its reception, as well as its durability. I will say it appears more refined and better constructed than the first RK series machines I looked at more than a year ago.

The issue is going to be service on the machines. Also, Rural King needs to work on a sales position to deal with talking about the machines because the Manager sure didn't know anything. I asked him how the Backhoe is removed and he replied "I think there are pins.....yep, it looks like there are some pins right there."

Tractors are largely sold, the real sales volumes won't be realized by impulse purchasing. If they develop trained sales people, they will do much better. Also, they need to have someone to perform machinery orientation with the new owners to answer questions, etc.

They have a viable product to offer. Now, how they proceed will largely determine on how the sell the tractors. If they have a "tractor specialist" at each location that has the tractor inventory, its going to be better than simply having a sales clerk who isn't trained on the equipment.
 

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The RK25 Is very interesting. I started a discussion with some more details about it this morning.
Although it has the same engine, They've changed the fuel delivery to a direct injection engine.


New Rural King Tractor RK25
 

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I took the front end off the RK25 yesterday just to see what has to be done to access the battery and other service issues. It was very simple. It provided much easier access to the entire engine compartment than does the 1025r.

Still has quite a few cheap plastic parts on it which they could have made much better and improved the quality appearance of the machine. The bezels around the levers is a disappointment in that it didn't fit well and looked like its going to be a part which shows the age of the machine, especially for any which are kept outside.

Overall, they have done a lot right with the machine and in some respects, they have done the things much better than Deere. I will say that the Rk25 appears to be a "physically stronger" machine in that it is built heavier and just looks more stout with the cast iron rear end assembly, etc. No doubt the different assembly manner of the rear hydro makes it easier to mount the backhoe on, or so it seems, from a bracing and mount stand point.

The MMM deck is very simple and while it should be straight forward to put on the tractor, its still going to be a manual process, but its also about half the cost of the Deere 60" auto connect deck.

The 24hp prior model machines are using the SCV mounted on the back of the right side FEL support tower. While it appears well built with the HD components, etc. I find it in a very odd position and it looks so much like an after thought. It does have adjust ability where the angle of the control lever can be swiveled to improve the ergonomics.

No question, TYM isn't something Deere should ignore. They are really offering a product at the prices which leave you almost shaking your head in disbelief.

I noticed the Rural King finance deal is at 6.49% for up to 84 months and they use a Credit Union which underwrites for their tractor loans. Even so, it puts their 24 HP tractor with, MMM, FEL and backhoe at $350 a month for the 7 year term with $0 down, which from a payment perspective is very competative with Deere's 1 series.
 

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I was going to ask if TYZ was typo for TYM, but see you corrected in your next post. What little I could see of the rear tires on the backhoes tractor picture, I did not care for them.
 

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When I was looking at the tractor, some guy walked up and started telling me all about his Kubota and his Kubota can do this and his Kubota can do that and his big claim to fame was he bought his Kubota because it was the only machine when he got on the backhoe that he could pick up the rear of the machine and move it around with only using the backhoe.

I just about asked him when he opened the hood on the Kubota if there was a big "S" for "Super Tractor" because according to him, it would do everything so much better than any other machine. I did ask him why he was even looking at the Rural King if he was so impressed with the Kubota and he replied "because they are cheap". I think he meant "economically priced".......

Needless to say, he is very impressed with his Kubota and he used every opportunity to point out why his Kubota was superior to Deere and everything else. However, he did have an interesting dilemma because he was picking apart the Rural King Tractor and TYM and then he said "I have an LS and it's a great tractor". Then he went on to say that every time the wheel bearings failed, eventually LS shipped out a replacement axle and had the assembly replaced under warranty.

When I pointed out that TYM makes LS and also the Rural King and a few other private label machines suddenly he had to leave. But that was after he insisted that this location of the Rural King store had been selling tractors "for several years". I told him that I was past the store a month ago and they didn't have the RK tractors then and that while they used to sell the Montana brand machines several years ago. which are one of the private label arrangements, the Montana and Branson tractors were no longer sold by RK. Then the RK store manager walked up and said "We just got these tractors 3 weeks ago" and the Kubota guy disappeared in his well used diesel truck.......
 

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We’re you wearing your owners edition JD hat?
 

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Having owned both a Belarus tractor and an International 2444 ( which was an industrial tractor with a 3 point and a PTO, and a German 4cyl. Diesel) I have over the years spent some time locating obsolete parts and visiting less than competent service facilities. I like Rural King and shop
there several times a year to stock up. But their inventory is always a crapshoot, and calling beforehand to verify whether a product or part is in stock often results in no one ever picking up the phone. Or answering and being transferred to a department where no one picks up. Not an experience I would like to have with a tractor purchase or problem. I don’t always think Deere or Kubota have the best of everything. But they consistently have a better parts and service network. It sounds like RK has a very good tractor to sell....maybe better than some would like to think. Hopefully they can make the rest of the equation work. They certainly will have many customers to present them to as the stores around here are always packed with customers.
 

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Here's the down side according to my local RK tractor sales manager (he's a friend) .
Delivery is by a local rollback, if you have a problem getting it to the store is on you, parts the have to order in everything even filters, electrical issues due to poor waterproof connectors, my area has 1 service tech so site visit can take a month or more and my local had an auto mechanic working on them part time for the first year.
 

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Here's the down side according to my local RK tractor sales manager (he's a friend) .
Delivery is by a local rollback, if you have a problem getting it to the store is on you, parts the have to order in everything even filters, electrical issues due to poor waterproof connectors, my area has 1 service tech so site visit can take a month or more and my local had an auto mechanic working on them part time for the first year.
I can't for the life of me understand why anybody would consider seriously spending five figures on a piece of rebranded machinery.

I have bought my share of brown-box, no-name stuff from Horror Fright and the direct-from-China sites, but when I have it's been half or less the price I'd pay for brand name, and it's either a lump of metal product I know I can fix myself, or something you can stick in a box and send back for repair or replacement.

Maybe 90-95% of CUT owners never need major service from a dealer, but if you're in that 5-10% it just seems to me like a heck of a gamble to save a few bucks. And if you want to gamble, you might as well do it somewhere that comes with free drinks and a buffet.
 

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But that was after he insisted that this location of the Rural King store had been selling tractors "for several years".
Sulleybear What store were you at? If it’s the one at 23 and 59 they have been selling tractors for 2-3 years a least. I look at them ever time we go. This is the only RK store I know off in Michigan.
 

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Had a tym 233 frame broke after 4 yrs , frame replaced under warranty with a little fighting . Then at 7 yrs new frame broke, had to replace at my expense. Did not overload tractor according to dealer . TYM makes Rural King wish you better time than I had with them . ps -sold TYM and got a John Deere
 

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out doors with the morgans-had a deal with rural king to show them tractors and implements on his u-tube channel for a yr i think? maybe it was 2 yrs-IDK for sure. the best thing i liked was the dump trailer. he has now gone back to his Kubota equipment.

service is the number one issue i think......

if i needed a dump trailer i would buy one for sure--it dumps hydraulically off the tractor.
 
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