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Hey there wise GTT friends. I have an upcoming camping trip and would welcome input from anyone familiar with the northeast towing routes.

Here is my challenge:
I am towing my 13k# fifth wheel from Dayton, MD to Bourne, MA

I am traveling in both directions on Saturdays. I know that there are tunnels in NY that will not allow my propane bottles (only two 30# bottles, but hard to convince a toll booth operator that I don't have them!). I also don't prefer to spend $100 each way in tolls, but am open to paying tolls if it is the best route. I don't mind going a few extra miles for a much more pleasant route. I generally prefer highway as stop and go traffic is annoying with the camper. I am also 13'1" tall and have had a few issues where nav programs don't seem to consider height when they route me. Thankfully, I have never gotten in trouble with this, but it is another point of data.

With all of that said, going straight up 95 is a non-starter. I am looking at maybe 83 to 81 to 78 to 287 to 80. That would take me across the George Washington. Does anyone have any input about pulling a trailer across there? Then once I am across that bridge, do I go straight to 95 and continue from there or bypass more of 95?

I am open to suggestions. I did a similar trip 8 years ago pulling a smaller trailer. I honestly don't remember what route I took but I really appreciated avoiding NYC and NJ. That is for sure.

Any input is appreciated.....

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Hey there wise GTT friends. I have an upcoming camping trip and would welcome input from anyone familiar with the northeast towing routes.

Here is my challenge:
I am towing my 13k# fifth wheel from Dayton, MD to Bourne, MA

I am traveling in both directions on Saturdays. I know that there are tunnels in NY that will not allow my propane bottles (only two 30# bottles, but hard to convince a toll booth operator that I don't have them!). I also don't prefer to spend $100 each way in tolls, but am open to paying tolls if it is the best route. I don't mind going a few extra miles for a much more pleasant route. I generally prefer highway as stop and go traffic is annoying with the camper. I am also 13'1" tall and have had a few issues where nav programs don't seem to consider height when they route me. Thankfully, I have never gotten in trouble with this, but it is another point of data.

With all of that said, going straight up 95 is a non-starter. I am looking at maybe 83 to 81 to 78 to 287 to 80. That would take me across the George Washington. Does anyone have any input about pulling a trailer across there? Then once I am across that bridge, do I go straight to 95 and continue from there or bypass more of 95?

I am open to suggestions. I did a similar trip 8 years ago pulling a smaller trailer. I honestly don't remember what route I took but I really appreciated avoiding NYC and NJ. That is for sure.

Any input is appreciated.....

Lee
How about looking at 83 to 81 to 84 to 90 / Mass Turnpike to 495 to 25? You're avoiding 95 & the GW Bridge altogether. You've got a toll in Beacon, NY and then a toll on 90 / Mass Turnpike. Less traffic and no tunnels.
 
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How about looking at 83 to 81 to 84 to 90 / Mass Turnpike to 495 to 25? You're avoiding 95 & the GW Bridge altogether. You've got a toll in Beacon, NY and then a toll on 90 / Mass Turnpike. Less traffic, less tolls and no tunnels.
I only know the lower end (from Pa to Mass) but your route is perfect as that is the way I always went with my big truck.
 

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I wanted to amend my above post -

I had originally said the same as superglidesport - 81N to 84E to 90 but there is actually a better way. Driving on 84 in Connecticut can be a nightmare especially if you hit it during rush hour plus you are pulling a sizable trailer.

While this will add a few extra miles this is how I went when I wanted a stress free trip from PA to Springfield Ma.

81N to I80 in Penna. Then take 80E to 380N near Mt Pocono. Then at Scranton take 84E. This eliminates 81 going through the Scranton - Wilkes Barre area which is super busy.

The 84 east from Scranton Pa to 87N at Newberg NY. Take 87N to 90E just before Albany. Not only does this make you avoid Connecticut altogether you cross the Hudson river without a toll (but do pay a toll to travel on 90).

Then at Springfield Ma you can get 91N.
 

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I wanted to amend my above post -

I had originally said the same as superglidesport - 81N to 84E to 90 but there is actually a better way. Driving on 84 in Connecticut can be a nightmare especially if you hit it during rush hour plus you are pulling a sizable trailer.

While this will add a few extra miles this is how I went when I wanted a stress free trip from PA to Springfield Ma.

81N to I80 in Penna. Then take 80E to 380N near Mt Pocono. Then at Scranton take 84E. This eliminates 81 going through the Scranton - Wilkes Barre area which is super busy.

The 84 east from Scranton Pa to 87N at Newberg NY. Take 87N to 90E just before Albany. Not only does this make you avoid Connecticut altogether you cross the Hudson river without a toll (but do pay a toll to travel on 90).

Then at Springfield Ma you can get 91N.
Stan, that's the loooong way around but I agree it does avoid Connecticut and all the Prius's driving 55 in the left lane. That being said once he get's to Springfield he wants to continue East on 90 / Mass Pike to 495 South. 91N will take him to Vermont. Bourne, MA is just West of the Cape Cod Canal.
 
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Stan, that's the loooong way around but I agree it does avoid Connecticut and all the Prius's driving 55 in the left lane. That being said once he get's to Springfield he wants to continue East on 90 / Mass Pike to 495 South. 91N will take him to Vermont. Bourne, MA is just West of the Cape Cod Canal.
Yes - longer but stress free! The worst part of my trip was 84 through eastern NY and Connecticut. Once a week I would treat myself to the easy way. Came out exactly 30 minutes longer (doing the speed limit).

Thanks for adding the route from Springfield onward. Don't know anything about that since Springfield was my terminus.
 

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Stan, that's the loooong way around but I agree it does avoid Connecticut and all the Prius's driving 55 in the left lane. That being said once he get's to Springfield he wants to continue East on 90 / Mass Pike to 495 South. 91N will take him to Vermont. Bourne, MA is just West of the Cape Cod Canal.
Coletrain with the above Suoerglide correction is the least stressful way to go. I can give you shorter and faster as I travel from Hunting Town MD to the Springfield MA area a lot. However I suggest you take the way recommended. The drive will be much less stressful and not much longer. With a fifth wheeler it's the way I would go.

Alternate to the above would be to come up the NJ Garden State to 287 E. go over the Tappan Zee bridge. hook up with 684 North to 84 E. Continue on 84 until you connect to Mass 90 E (toll road) in Sturbridge. It's faster and not to bad a drive providing you don't do it during rush hour. The hardest part of the drive is in Hartford CT.



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Coletrain with the above Suoerglide correction is the least stressful way to go. I can give you shorter and faster as I travel from Hunting Town MD to the Springfield MA area a lot. However I suggest you take the way recommended. The drive will be much less stressful and not much longer. With a fifth wheeler it's the way I would go.

Alternate to the above would be to come up the NJ Garden State to 287 E. go over the Tappan Zee bridge. hook up with 684 North to 84 E. Continue on 84 until you connect to Mass 90 E (toll road) in Sturbridge. It's faster and not to bad a drive providing you don't do it during rush hour. The hardest part of the drive is in Hartford CT.
Are you talking about the Garden State Parkway? I'm not sure but I think they allow passenger cars only - at least in NY that is the way it is. Plus low overpasses on the one in NY.

The OP is pulling a 13k# 5th wheel with a height of 13'1".
 

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Alternate to the above would be to come up the NJ Garden State to 287 E. go over the Tappan Zee bridge. hook up with 684 North to 84 E. Continue on 84 until you connect to Mass 90 E (toll road) in Sturbridge. It's faster and not to bad a drive providing you don't do it during rush hour. The hardest part of the drive is in Hartford CT.

^^^^ This is the route I usually take.

You can't drive Rt. 15 (Merritt Parkway/Wilbur cross Parkway) in CT with an RV or trailer so that path is closed to you. So you're kinda stuck with either I-95 or I-84 unless you want to go well out of your way and take the Taconic Parkway all the way up to Albany, NY and then pick up I-90 there.

I know you said you wanted to stay on the Interstate as much as possible but taking I-84 all the way up to the MA Turnpike is a bit out of your way. If you take I-84 up to Hartford you can jump off on 384 and then take CT-6 (which becomes RI-6) straight into Providence RI. It's a pretty straight shot but a little hilly in places. Once you're in Providence you can jump onto I-95 for a few miles, pick up I-495 south and take that all the way to Bourne.
 
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How about looking at 83 to 81 to 84 to 90 / Mass Turnpike to 495 to 25? You're avoiding 95 & the GW Bridge altogether. You've got a toll in Beacon, NY and then a toll on 90 / Mass Turnpike. Less traffic and no tunnels.
Agreed. I can't tell you about the upper portion, but I've traveled from Virginia to NY often using 83 to 81 to 84. It's a pleasant and scenic ride. Plentiful rest areas with room for the trailer.
 

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I lost access to GTT yesterday so I am catching up. I appreciate all of the input some questions/comments.....

How about looking at 83 to 81 to 84 to 90 / Mass Turnpike to 495 to 25? You're avoiding 95 & the GW Bridge altogether. You've got a toll in Beacon, NY and then a toll on 90 / Mass Turnpike. Less traffic and no tunnels.
I am not opposed to that route. It definitely answers the bypass goal. Unfortunately, this increases the trip mileage from ~450 to ~550 miles. This is not a deal breaker, the extra $30 in fuel is still cheaper than the tolls I will bypass! How much is the headache of NYC and I-95 traffic worth???

Wow Kenny, that looks scenic. I got into a jam years ago taking my travel trailer through a bunch of smaller roads (in Carroll County). By jam, I mean I really got the rig stuck! I had to use blocks and drive the trailer tires up onto "ramps" to get the rear trailer jacks out of the pavement. I will admit, I am a bit paranoid now. Although, I put wheels on the end of the frame on this one so I could float the trailer out of that exact situation.

I wanted to amend my above post -

I had originally said the same as superglidesport - 81N to 84E to 90 but there is actually a better way. Driving on 84 in Connecticut can be a nightmare especially if you hit it during rush hour plus you are pulling a sizable trailer.

While this will add a few extra miles this is how I went when I wanted a stress free trip from PA to Springfield Ma.

81N to I80 in Penna. Then take 80E to 380N near Mt Pocono. Then at Scranton take 84E. This eliminates 81 going through the Scranton - Wilkes Barre area which is super busy.

The 84 east from Scranton Pa to 87N at Newberg NY. Take 87N to 90E just before Albany. Not only does this make you avoid Connecticut altogether you cross the Hudson river without a toll (but do pay a toll to travel on 90).

Then at Springfield Ma you can get 91N.
I am traveling on Saturdays in both directions. Do you think that I need to bypass Scranton/Wilkes Barre on a Saturday? I see the route you are saying but was thinking that I should be OK on a Sat. If that is not the case, I will definitely consider that route.

Alternate to the above would be to come up the NJ Garden State to 287 E. go over the Tappan Zee bridge. hook up with 684 North to 84 E. Continue on 84 until you connect to Mass 90 E (toll road) in Sturbridge. It's faster and not to bad a drive providing you don't do it during rush hour. The hardest part of the drive is in Hartford CT.


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I looked at the Tappan Zee and thought that I read on some RV forums that it is a good option for crossing the Hudson. Coaltrain mentioned passenger car and height limitations. Although I am super aware of the 13'1" height, that is lower than any real trucks. So, main highways are almost always at least 13'6". I still pucker up when I go through a 13'6" underpass. So far, so good! I would definitely be in a pinch if they kicked me off with the trailer, though.

This is all great input. I have to admit, I am very spoiled by just firing up Waze on my phone and trusting it to adjust for traffic. Even with the trailer, going south or west I do OK. Going in this direction, I really feel like I need to have a plan and try to navigate the old fashioned way. I really, really wish that Waze (or another phone based nav) offered a way to input height and axle restrictions. On my last trip, Waze kept trying to put my in express lanes that were for passenger cars only. Although I could easily stay in the main lanes (I-495 in VA) I suspect that if Waze did the math based on my not being able to use the express, it would have routed be around DC the other way via 95 or even over onto 301. I would be willing to pay for a real-time nav function that was smart enough to recognize restrictions. I haven't found one.

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Avoid CT if you're able. 87N to 90E would be a more desirable route "around" CT as opposed to through it, even though you'll pay a little more in tolls with I90 by running a longer length of it.

95 should be avoided through CT at all costs because it can back up and leave you in a parking lot without warning (although it shouldn't do this on a Saturday). Going home is likely to be even worse than the trip out.

84 can back up badly in Hartford because the road drops down to two lanes to cross the river and everyone tries to go around traffic and makes things even worse. Construction on this road is also a risk to back things up somewhat unexpectedly.
 

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Avoid CT if you're able. 87N to 90E would be a more desirable route "around" CT as opposed to through it, even though you'll pay a little more in tolls with I90 by running a longer length of it.

95 should be avoided through CT at all costs because it can back up and leave you in a parking lot without warning (although it shouldn't do this on a Saturday). Going home is likely to be even worse than the trip out.

84 can back up badly in Hartford because the road drops down to two lanes to cross the river and everyone tries to go around traffic and makes things even worse. Construction on this road is also a risk to back things up somewhat unexpectedly.
I usually avoid Hartford on 84 by taking the 91 / 691 by-pass in both directions.
 

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I am traveling on Saturdays in both directions. Do you think that I need to bypass Scranton/Wilkes Barre on a Saturday? I see the route you are saying but was thinking that I should be OK on a Sat. If that is not the case, I will definitely consider that route.
Saturday through there is easy - you'll be fine.
 

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I usually avoid Hartford on 84 by taking the 91 / 691 by-pass in both directions.
How does that bypass Hartford? Traveling to MA, that bypass is -after- Hartford. You'd have to go through Bloomfield (back roads, lots of traffic signs) or scoot North to MA which negates going through CT in the first place.
 

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How does that bypass Hartford? Traveling to MA, that bypass is -after- Hartford. You'd have to go through Bloomfield (back roads, lots of traffic signs) or scoot North to MA which negates going through CT in the first place.
Heading West on 84 get off on 91S (just East of Hartford) and then take 691 around Hartford back onto 84W. Heading East on 84 get onto 691 just West of Southington to 91N and back onto 84E. Bypasses the potential mess in Hartford in both directions and the mileage is equivalent.

More information here:http://articles.courant.com/2007-09-30/news/0709300211_1_i-84-interstate-highway-speed-limit
 
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The Garden State

Are you talking about the Garden State Parkway? I'm not sure but I think they allow passenger cars only - at least in NY that is the way it is. Plus low overpasses on the one in NY.

The OP is pulling a 13k# 5th wheel with a height of 13'1".
allows pulling trailers but they have a width restriction. If you go up the garden state and follow the route I listed there are no low bridges. If you want to take the Sawmill Parkway then it's passenger cars only, no trailers. The route I gave is state/federal highways only.

The OP can call the Garden state authorities and check the width limit but I think it is eight feet.





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After consulting with my co-pilot and taking all of the suggestions I think we are going to do 83-81-84-87-90-495. Google shows this as being 140 miles longer than the 95 route. But, it bypasses NYC and all of CT.

Thanks for the input. I will let you know how it goes.

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