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I am buying a new JD lawn tractor and am having a hard time deciding between the x330 or the x350.Basically its the engine. Do I go with the Briggs 20hp or the Kawasaki 18.5? Thanks
 

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I am buying a new JD lawn tractor and am having a hard time deciding between the x330 or the x350.Basically its the engine. Do I go with the Briggs 20hp or the Kawasaki 18.5? Thanks
Kawasaki!!!!!!!

The reliability and service life of the Kawasaki engines are far superior to the Briggs.
 

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I am buying a new JD lawn tractor and am having a hard time deciding between the x330 or the x350.Basically its the engine. Do I go with the Briggs 20hp or the Kawasaki 18.5? Thanks
I have a 2016 X350 and it has more power than the K46 transaxle and turf tires can handle. Any more would be wasted (or reduce lifespan if you don't lose traction!) Another vote for the Kawasaki V-Twin.
 

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Kawasaki V-Twin.

I won't buy anything that has a Briggs engine. Heard to many horror stories.
 

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Actually you should get an x758....

Sorry someone had to say it.

In all seriousness the Kawasaki engine is worth the money. You will never notice any loss of power but you will notice a smoother running and more durable engine. The Kawasaki v-twin is a commercial duty engine rated for continuous use. The Briggs is more of a residential duty engine. If you plan on keeping this tractor get the Kawasaki.
 

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I am buying a new JD lawn tractor and am having a hard time deciding between the x330 or the x350.Basically its the engine. Do I go with the Briggs 20hp or the Kawasaki 18.5? Thanks
I give Briggs a lot of credit for developing a more stalwart engine in the Cyclonic engine series. They are paying attention. A pressurized lubrication system with a spin on oil filter, a easy to use oil drain hose system to make changes easy and mess free. An air filter system to really prevent dirt from getting into the engines. Instead of being the "low cost alternative" which Briggs had come to be known as, they are producing a serious engine which will last and should be an engine which Briggs can use to rebuild their market presence.

Many years ago, Briggs was the Gold Standard. Then Kawasaki took over and has produced a near perfect engine. Hopefully, the Briggs Cyclonic engine is a sign they are back.

If I didn't have a choice but to take the "John Deere Cyclonic Engine" in a new machine, I would feel much better about this engine than many of the other Briggs products. Given a choice, I would take the Kawasaki simply because they have become the "Honda Engine" of the lawn mower category. Excellent reliability, very dependable. Kawasaki engines routinely last into the thousands of hours if they are properly maintained and not abused.

I hope Briggs focuses on being the high quality alternative to the Kawasaki and not just the low cost option on entry level mowers.

The John Deere Cyclonic engine is a huge step in the right direction that Briggs is serious about building a quality small gas engine alternative. I am very encouraged by what I see...........

If the Cyclonic John Deere engine was your only choice, I would say its a good one. Given the option of the Kawasaki, I would still lean towards the Kawasaki. But if Briggs continues down this recent road, they are soon going to be an equal to Kawasaki once again.
 

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Now that Tecumseh is gone Lets Pick on Briggs. When I was a Kid in the 1960 & 70's Tecumseh was the engine You wanted to stay away from In a Garden or Lawn Tractor. Briggs was considered One of the Good Brands. I have Got a 20 Year old Briggs In My JD Sabre 1542H & I have another 20 year old Briggs In My White GT2055 and another Briggs In My 26 year old Ingersoll 3016PS & finally a 50 year old + Briggs In a Simplicity Wonder-Boy That said I have never Had a Problem with either Kawasaki or Briggs.

X330 & X350 same tractor different engine either will be fine. As long as You have a flat to rolling Hill Yard and Not any steep hills. Because if You have steep Hills it won't Matter the engine Brand Because the K46 will give Up the Ghost before You have any engine Issues with either engine :bigthumb:
 

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I have sent an email to the dealer that I ordered it from yesterday and will be calling in the morning to let them know that I will now be ordering the X350. I had originally ordered the 330 but the engine thing was bugging me. I cant wait to pick it up. Thanks for all the help guys
 

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I posted I won't buy anything with a Briggs engine. As others Briggs was the engine you wanted in the 60-80's then they went down hill.

Wife bought the 11 590 Gator 4 seater, Nothing but headaches from day one. Would not idle and dealer wouldnot replace or clean the carb, so for 3 years everytime you tried to drive away , it would stall if you didn't feather the throttle. Finally after calling sales lady about value of the Gator . She contacted JD and they paid for getting that corrected. :bigthumb: but I also found a oil leak for the second time, First time aftr only around 50 hrs had a head gasket replaced. Now at close to 700 hrs same thing it cost me close to $400 with JD paying the rest . I had all I could stand with the Gator traded it for the Honda Pioneer.

Part of my issue was maybe dealer not taking care of idle problem , but everytime I mentioned the carb . The answer I received was "Briggs won't pay for replacing of the carb."

A good friend had a similar engine in a rider, his threw a rod out of side of the block with less than 500 hrs. Briggs would not do anything to help him and his dealer was worse. According to both it was his fault, I can't remember the brand mower but not a box store or Craftsman.
He is now a happy 1023 owner after using mine for mowing.
 

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I posted I won't buy anything with a Briggs engine. As others Briggs was the engine you wanted in the 60-80's then they went down hill.

Wife bought the 11 590 Gator 4 seater, Nothing but headaches from day one. Would not idle and dealer wouldnot replace or clean the carb, so for 3 years everytime you tried to drive away , it would stall if you didn't feather the throttle. Finally after calling sales lady about value of the Gator . She contacted JD and they paid for getting that corrected. :bigthumb: but I also found a oil leak for the second time, First time aftr only around 50 hrs had a head gasket replaced. Now at close to 700 hrs same thing it cost me close to $400 with JD paying the rest . I had all I could stand with the Gator traded it for the Honda Pioneer.

Part of my issue was maybe dealer not taking care of idle problem , but everytime I mentioned the carb . The answer I received was "Briggs won't pay for replacing of the carb."

A good friend had a similar engine in a rider, his threw a rod out of side of the block with less than 500 hrs. Briggs would not do anything to help him and his dealer was worse. According to both it was his fault, I can't remember the brand mower but not a box store or Craftsman.
He is now a happy 1023 owner after using mine for mowing.
I would not have had your patience to keep it three years. I would have been in the carb or traded it sooner.
 

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I would not have had your patience to keep it three years. I would have been in the carb or traded it sooner.
A couple of reasons for not trading sooner,, wife #1 reason , 2nd reason when retired just wasn't rushing into spending more money. and everytime I talked to service dept , try this , or try this. or try something else.

Have only torn apart 2 small engine carbs before and being on a new machine. :dunno::dunno: agree should have done something. My bigger concern was complete loss of high engine speed from lack of HP from the engine choice JD choose to put in the 4 seater.

If you wasn't in a hurry , it was OK , if you need to run at 25-30 mph , you better be going down hill , because no way would it do over 15 up a hill .
Put it in L range it would pull , or seemed , all day long.
Another major reason for trading, low center of gravity. To long of wheelbase and low suspension. The one Gizmo has ,suspension height and WB is probably perfect. Going across a plowed field we would drag. Several times I had to find items to put under the tires to keep moving.
 

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My 1990's & 2000's Briggs Have never Been a Issue for Me I have never had a Problem with any Brigs engines Like I have with Tecumseh. Only ever Had 1 good Tecumseh engine and That was In a Box store Murray Lawn Tractor. A lot of My walk Behind equipment has Briggs engine's as well. Tecumseh were Only really good for snow Blowers IMHO Which seem to be what there successor LCT is used in as well Both My single stage and Two stage Ariens snow Blowers Have the LCT engines. Deere Hasn't Had Many Issues with the Briggs they use In the 100 series tractors because if It was that Bad Deere would Have switched engine Manufacturers By Now:bigthumb:
 

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First house back in 1996...4 acres...excited to get a brand new Craftsman riding mower...I believe it was 18 hp and either Kohler or Briggs engine. Three years later it was falling apart. Co-worked talked me in to a used JD 445 with the Kawasaki v-twin. Wonderful!

You chose wisely!
 

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I also have poo pooed B&S motors but have never had issues with any. IMHO, air cooled motors in small GTs are more reliable than water cooled regardless of the brand. I know it shouldn't be that way but it has been my experienced as long as one yearly cleans out under the shrouds any debris.
 

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I have seen the good, bad and ugly of all 3. The Briggs singles being the worst. The twins at one time were exploding rods and pistons. Kaw will break a rod on them now and then but usually due to abuse. Even had a notice on Briggs twins that there may be extra parts in the oil pan! That was a good one. All 3 are prone to ignition coil failures. Kohler being the worst, Kaw second. The only catastrophic failures I have seen lately for no good reason is Briggs.
I have the 18.5 on my X310 and its very smooth, quiet and sips the fuel.

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