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New Shop Build Begins (Finally)

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This post has been a long time coming! MattL is finally getting a shop! The short story is for pretty much ever, I've always wanted a dedicated workshop for woodworking and the plan was to build one when we moved to PA in 2017. We were under contract with a builder and then the township, zoning and stormwater management BS pretty much shot that down and we cancelled the contract and started a search for a new home, planning on moving 2ish years after this home. Fast forward almost 4.5 years later and a home search that wasn’t bearing fruit, to December of 2021 and a phone call with a township supervisor on a different topic got derailed to zoning/township policies/etc. and the plan to get the shop built started again.

The shop is going to be a 30’x50’ pole barn with 12’ eave walls and scissor trusses putting the interior center at 14.5’. It will have a concrete floor, be fully insulated, have a 8’x16’ lean-to on the side facing our house, two man doors, one 9 lite under the lean-to, one solid steel at the rear for emergency egress and a single gable end garage door 16’x10’. Power will be a subpanel from the home (125A/220v) and we’re planning on eventually adding solar panels to the roof to supplement the home supply as well as power the home when I’m not using all the energy generated while in the shop.

While the above is very exciting - to say that this process has been an expensive nightmare would be a bit of an understatement. Between misinformation from the township, getting the zoning variance, an overzealous (my opinion) township civil engineer reviewing and approving stormwater plans has been an exercise in frustration. More on those details in a bit, but in short, the ZHB meeting was a 3+ month effort, the permit application was submitted on Tuesday, May 31st, rejected on July 5th (5 weeks) due to alleged stormwater application problems and only now, on Oct, 13th was the “go ahead” received from the township civil engineer. Not all the problems were on the township and their lack of management however the majority of them are and have cost us a small fortune as a result. Mind you this small fortune has been spent on drawings and we haven’t even broke ground yet.

I was going to call the thread - “new shop needs a place” as a play on flyweights thread about his new shop build because I recently purchased a “tool lot” that was basically a well-appointed hobby machine shop from a gentleman who unfortunately for him, had to downsize. The big items include a Precision Matthews PM-727V Mill, a Precision Matthews PM-1236 Lathe, both with DRO’s and an accomplished machinist’s lifetime collection of tooling, a Miller Millermatic 220AC/DC multiprocess welder, a Miller plasma cutter, a Miller Millermatic 211 MIG welder, shop floor press, and a huge assortment of tools/chests to include Snap-On, DeWalt, Milwaukee, Starrett, etc. Essentially it was a deal of a lifetime and one that I couldn’t pass up, so the “new shop” really needs a place at this point as the new shop is all contained in a two car garage attached to the house….. that was already too full with the prior woodshop and limited collection of metal working stuff. A lot of the tools are duplicates of what I’ve already got so I’ll be selling off some of them to help recover the cost of the purchased lot.

Other notable things – the new shop will have a 2 post lift (make & model TBD), all my existing wood working tools and the new machine shop tools as well will be moved in. Fiber will be run for connectivity, there are no current plans for water, however additional conduits will be put in the trench from the house for future expansion, etc. HVAC will be a pair of 18k BTU mini-splits, model is TBD, really depending on cost and availability. (Thanks @Kennyd for that recommendation of two 18k’s). Same with plans for a small loft, there are no plans and I doubt that I’ll get one, however with a 13’ ceiling height about 6’ off the eave walls and 14.5’ in the center, there is some room for a possible loft eventually.

I’ve been chomping at the bit to share this with the GTT group, Kenny has hinted at it a few times publicly but because of what seems like a never ending nightmare of bureaucracy and nonsense and so as to not get my hopes up only to be left with disappointment, this thread being posted has been a long time coming.

In the next few posts I’m going to reserve them for the details as to the what the process was for the zoning, building permit and stormwater and similar. This build will also be documented on my youtube channel youtube.com/makerbreakerfixer and I’ve got a bunch of video already, but haven’t posted it because I didn’t want to start only to be stopped before breaking ground.

It’s with great excitement I can finally say – I’ve got a building permit in hand and construction is beginning in the next few days!!!

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I currently reside in a small steel container in Iraq that has a mini-split unit, above the window. It is very effective for the small space. You won't have this issue, but moisture and mold seem to permeate in the small space. None the less, I prefer to keep the window open when we can. Problem is, I live next to an airfield. So every time a helicopter or plane takes off, I feel like I am in that apartment from the Blues Brothers next to the train station ha.

Most mini splits have a dehumidify mode. Wont change the temp but will pull moisture out of the air.
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Most mini splits have a dehumidify mode. Wont change the temp but will pull moisture out of the air.
My heat exchanger that should arrive early next week (yea I bought one, cigars being the true justification) also claims to really helps with dehumidification.
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I have a heat exchanger in the house, and it does help with humidity
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Today's update:
Ran some Cat5e (cause I have it = free and it'll do 1gig without a problem for these distances....) for the two ceiling APs, the porch AP and the camera on the porch. They will all terminate on a patch panel above and behind the porch man door. Can't put the patch panel up until the interior framing is done. Have I mentioned I don't like ladders? But that 12' A frame was a $75 FBM purchase, no complaints about that one.
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if ya look close you'll see the wires and the terminated redundant pair hanging down for the interior ceilingAPs.
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Apparently the "crew" that built it is no longer working with the builder. (No suprise there...) The builder is working to get another crew here this week to do the interior framing, then the fun for me really starts.

The work on the approach should start later this week and the channel drain that's getting set in concrete will be done this weekend. (Concrete for that next week some time. )

The heat exchanger arrived last week, should be manageable to install. I have to close the gap between the top of the eave walls and the roof for the spray foam, since the soffit is vented, I'm going to pull the intake air from the porch side (starboard for you boaters), send the exhaust to the other eave wall, keeping the penetrations limited to inside the two vented soffit which should help with insect and moisture concerns.

Oh... and I smashed my left pointer finger while hammering the cable staples. It actually hurts more than hitting my left hand thumb joint with the 3lb sledge... Likely because the finger was smashed between hammer and wood, the sledge was just impact, not compression between two objects... clearly I'm way outta practice with my hammer skills...
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Can you still hold a stick?
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Brilliant- you offering to buy it too? 🤣

That's likely going to end up in my tool kit.
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That's likely going to end up in my tool kit.
Someone might be able to find you an extra T25 staple gun ;)
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Someone might be able to find you an extra T25 staple gun ;)
But... the order has already been placed... self control I have not. 🥳
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But... the order has already been placed... self control I have not. 🥳
Sorry to you and @Big , but a 3/4" crown staple will look "homeownerish" on CAT5/6 cable. You might as well use a romex staple and smash the wire flat like the an electrician would do...I used to HATE those troubles in newer builds when the electrical contractor gave the customer a "great price" to wire a house or business for comms :LOL:
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Sorry to you and @Big , but a 3/4" crown staple will look "homeownerish" on CAT5/6 cable. You might as well use a romex staple and smash the wire flat like the an electrician would do...I used to HATE those troubles in newer builds when the electrical contractor gave the customer a "great price" to wire a house or business for comms :LOL:

That's a romex coated staple. No Busch league crown stapler here my friend
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That's a romex coated staple. No bud light league crown stapler here my friend
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Today's update:
Ran some Cat5e (cause I have it = free and it'll do 1gig without a problem for these distances....) for the two ceiling APs, the porch AP and the camera on the porch. They will all terminate on a patch panel above and behind the porch man door. Can't put the patch panel up until the interior framing is done. Have I mentioned I don't like ladders? But that 12' A frame was a $75 FBM purchase, no complaints about that one.
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if ya look close you'll see the wires and the terminated redundant pair hanging down for the interior ceilingAPs.
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Apparently the "crew" that built it is no longer working with the builder. (No suprise there...) The builder is working to get another crew here this week to do the interior framing, then the fun for me really starts.

The work on the approach should start later this week and the channel drain that's getting set in concrete will be done this weekend. (Concrete for that next week some time. )

The heat exchanger arrived last week, should be manageable to install. I have to close the gap between the top of the eave walls and the roof for the spray foam, since the soffit is vented, I'm going to pull the intake air from the porch side (starboard for you boaters), send the exhaust to the other eave wall, keeping the penetrations limited to inside the two vented soffit which should help with insect and moisture concerns.

Oh... and I smashed my left pointer finger while hammering the cable staples. It actually hurts more than hitting my left hand thumb joint with the 3lb sledge... Likely because the finger was smashed between hammer and wood, the sledge was just impact, not compression between two objects... clearly I'm way outta practice with my hammer skills...
Is this the gap you need to fill? If so most insulators I know would staple cardboard pieces or non-woven fabric. It’s basically just filler / something for the foam to stick to.

on your HRV, slope your ducts away from the unit to the exterior so and condensation can run out of duct. I would insulate The duct as well.
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Is this the gap you need to fill? If so most insulators I know would staple cardboard pieces or non-woven fabric. It’s basically just filler / something for the foam to stick to.

on your HRV, slope your ducts away from the unit to the exterior so and condensation can run out of duct. I would insulate The duct as well.
Yup, I'm going to use 1/2 OSB. need three sheets to fill the gap @ $11 sheet. It's about a 8-10" gap that needs filling!
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Todays update: My finger still hurts from getting smashed on Monday and the Milwaukee cable stapler from acme tools will be delivered on Friday. Today the materials for the interior framing should be delivered, however last time we had a delivery from ABM, it was first thing in the morning, that's come and gone and the conversation with the builder, as usual, goes from very responsive to no response in seconds - which likely has to do with the fact that they were expecting to "finish" the interior this week and were surprised that spray foam and electrical hadn't been installed yet, meanwhile...... They asked for a picture of the interior of the building, which I sent over time stamped that day with obviously no insulation or electrical being installed and we've had two, maybe three conversations about the interior framing being needed for the electrical and the electrical rough in being needed before the spray foam, but... I guess those conversations have been quickly forgotten.... (that are in writing...) So we'll see if materials will be delivered today... like always, I'm not holding my breath. Interior framing allergy will be tomorrow or Friday as well, but apparently there is an Amish holiday tomorrow that might impact the crew.

The approach work should start tomorrow or Friday - confirming with the contractor currently.

I just scored a scissor lift from a local rental company, get it from Fri 26th to Tues. the 30th over the holiday weekend for a "1 day" rental - total rental for a skyjack 3219 with delivery and insurance is just over $300. Likely will end up being cheaper and definitely much less hassle than a CL or FBM "Rental" of purchasing one, using it as needed and reselling it.
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The other update today..... Since it essentially was a derivative of this project - The local township supervisor primary elections were yesterday and the unofficial results are in.....

Percentage of vote:
Katie (Spouse): 63%
Rob (her "teammate") 53%
Dan (the Incumbant): 40%
Bob (the OVERLY concerned neighbor): 27%

And since the last post - the materials have been delivered for the interior. I'm honestly and legitimately surprised.
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Congrats to Katie!
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condolences to Katie
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condolences to Katie
I've heard getting elected to supervisor is referred to "serving a sentence".... lol
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I've heard getting elected to supervisor is referred to "serving a sentence".... lol
Been there, done that. Bamboo shoots, waterboarding come to mind.
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