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New Shop Build Begins (Finally)

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This post has been a long time coming! MattL is finally getting a shop! The short story is for pretty much ever, I've always wanted a dedicated workshop for woodworking and the plan was to build one when we moved to PA in 2017. We were under contract with a builder and then the township, zoning and stormwater management BS pretty much shot that down and we cancelled the contract and started a search for a new home, planning on moving 2ish years after this home. Fast forward almost 4.5 years later and a home search that wasn’t bearing fruit, to December of 2021 and a phone call with a township supervisor on a different topic got derailed to zoning/township policies/etc. and the plan to get the shop built started again.

The shop is going to be a 30’x50’ pole barn with 12’ eave walls and scissor trusses putting the interior center at 14.5’. It will have a concrete floor, be fully insulated, have a 8’x16’ lean-to on the side facing our house, two man doors, one 9 lite under the lean-to, one solid steel at the rear for emergency egress and a single gable end garage door 16’x10’. Power will be a subpanel from the home (125A/220v) and we’re planning on eventually adding solar panels to the roof to supplement the home supply as well as power the home when I’m not using all the energy generated while in the shop.

While the above is very exciting - to say that this process has been an expensive nightmare would be a bit of an understatement. Between misinformation from the township, getting the zoning variance, an overzealous (my opinion) township civil engineer reviewing and approving stormwater plans has been an exercise in frustration. More on those details in a bit, but in short, the ZHB meeting was a 3+ month effort, the permit application was submitted on Tuesday, May 31st, rejected on July 5th (5 weeks) due to alleged stormwater application problems and only now, on Oct, 13th was the “go ahead” received from the township civil engineer. Not all the problems were on the township and their lack of management however the majority of them are and have cost us a small fortune as a result. Mind you this small fortune has been spent on drawings and we haven’t even broke ground yet.

I was going to call the thread - “new shop needs a place” as a play on flyweights thread about his new shop build because I recently purchased a “tool lot” that was basically a well-appointed hobby machine shop from a gentleman who unfortunately for him, had to downsize. The big items include a Precision Matthews PM-727V Mill, a Precision Matthews PM-1236 Lathe, both with DRO’s and an accomplished machinist’s lifetime collection of tooling, a Miller Millermatic 220AC/DC multiprocess welder, a Miller plasma cutter, a Miller Millermatic 211 MIG welder, shop floor press, and a huge assortment of tools/chests to include Snap-On, DeWalt, Milwaukee, Starrett, etc. Essentially it was a deal of a lifetime and one that I couldn’t pass up, so the “new shop” really needs a place at this point as the new shop is all contained in a two car garage attached to the house….. that was already too full with the prior woodshop and limited collection of metal working stuff. A lot of the tools are duplicates of what I’ve already got so I’ll be selling off some of them to help recover the cost of the purchased lot.

Other notable things – the new shop will have a 2 post lift (make & model TBD), all my existing wood working tools and the new machine shop tools as well will be moved in. Fiber will be run for connectivity, there are no current plans for water, however additional conduits will be put in the trench from the house for future expansion, etc. HVAC will be a pair of 18k BTU mini-splits, model is TBD, really depending on cost and availability. (Thanks @Kennyd for that recommendation of two 18k’s). Same with plans for a small loft, there are no plans and I doubt that I’ll get one, however with a 13’ ceiling height about 6’ off the eave walls and 14.5’ in the center, there is some room for a possible loft eventually.

I’ve been chomping at the bit to share this with the GTT group, Kenny has hinted at it a few times publicly but because of what seems like a never ending nightmare of bureaucracy and nonsense and so as to not get my hopes up only to be left with disappointment, this thread being posted has been a long time coming.

In the next few posts I’m going to reserve them for the details as to the what the process was for the zoning, building permit and stormwater and similar. This build will also be documented on my youtube channel youtube.com/makerbreakerfixer and I’ve got a bunch of video already, but haven’t posted it because I didn’t want to start only to be stopped before breaking ground.

It’s with great excitement I can finally say – I’ve got a building permit in hand and construction is beginning in the next few days!!!

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Do you have enough clear width in front of the panel, or will your inspector care?

I ask because it looks close to correct, but a lot easier to deal with now than afterwire and foam.
Yes, there's nothing infront of the panel for 7', (then the garage door hardware, once installed) need an additional 16" to the right to make the NEC required 30" total, (panel does not have to be centered) and it's wide open to the window and will remain that way till at least final inspection.

Edit: I'll add - after staring at the pics for a while this afternoon I seriously considered moving it over with two 90° sweeps but decided against it. It meets requirements and is out of the way.
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And the fun continues.
and it's a Deere!

But there's a server error..... so pics not playing nicely.
(And it failed from my phone too. )

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You've mentioned your cameras a few times. Do you have a preferred brand/model for general garage use? I like the wired aspect with PoE for ease of install, and so they do not rely on the wifi to stay up. It seems like every time I see an option now they are from an unreliable company that uses default passwords and never offers updates.
You've mentioned your cameras a few times. Do you have a preferred brand/model for general garage use? I like the wired aspect with PoE for ease of install, and so they do not rely on the wifi to stay up. It seems like every time I see an option now they are from an unreliable company that uses default passwords and never offers updates.
Ubiquiti Unifi Protect - they've got a ton of camera options (wired/wireless/4k/2k/etc.) , however you'll need to use their DVR application/software called "protect". Which is the most user friendly security camera application I've ever used or seen. It's almost too easy. www.ui.com
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Today's update!
Progress!!
Before:


During....





After:


No damage and a productive day!
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Looks beautiful. Give that man a cigar!
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No damage and a productive day!
I like it MattL
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Looks great!!

Did you stipulate in the contract that the excavator had to be a Deere?? ;)
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Today put about almost two hours after work on the tractor. First part was laying out the back eave wall drainage and the plumbing for the front channel drain and the remainder of the time was digging and checking grade with the laser level.
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Digging. - With out a powered shovel, this would have taken a week. Ground was so hard.



Unfortunately time was cut short to attend a Zoning Class that my county has put on. This is week 3 of 3. Gotta run.
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Coming along great, Matt. 👍
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Back at it. The scissor lift was delivered this morning for the one day rental that starts tomorrow and they pick up on Tuesday. Getting it down the slope and in the barn was an adventure... but it didn't roll over or hit the barn.

Next was pulling the three strands of 1awg and one of 6awg wire through conduit for the barn to get power. Marked out 165' (essentially the 500' roll divided by 3) and used the tractor and forks as a spool holder.



Marked (redesignated) the wire for phase 2 and neutral and got to pulling. It was a chore to get it through the house but GOT IT through. Might have used the BH to pull a bit as well... when ya got it.....




Next finished up the exterior conduit under the deck for the wire.








Gotta go grab the rest of pics... next post shortly.
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An LB, LR and a 45 finished up the exterior conduit and it was back to pulling. Used a ton of Klein lube and it made life easier (didn't use the tractor in the barn). The barn has wire.


(Yea, I'll deal with the data cables tomorrow more than likely. )


Also you'll notice the panel has moved. The tension on the conduit going in the bottom of the panel bothered me and I've got one chance to get it right the first time, so the decision was made. Conveniently I had two, 2" 90° sweeps in the bed of my truck, so that was fairly easy. About 30 min later it was moved. (Moved it - well took it down and got it ready to mount, then pulled the wire, then made the two sweeps, pulled the wire through the sweeps, welded the sweeps, then mounted the panel again. )




What a relief to get that done. Between the scissor lift and open walls, the next steps should be a bit less, uhm effort. A HUGE thanks is due to my wife @Schellzinator who was my helper all afternoon.

And in the panel room, I'll finish the conduit with flex conduit to the bottom of the panel B. Also going to do a continuity test between the lines to make sure there wasn't any damage while pulling. 🤞
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Made some progress today, didn't take many pics and no after work done pics. And the GTT server is complaining about pics. So good night, till tomorrow!
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Another long day. Got two circuits left to run tomorrow, might do three if time permits. Also need to wire the panel with all the circuits and plan on installing the heat exchanger and ducting while the ceiling is open and I've got scissor lift. (That thing is a literal life saver, best $285 for a "one day" long weekend rental with delivery and pickup. )

This is were we ended up. (And the brisket is properly smoked and resting....)



















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Hey that's exactly the lift I'm looking to rent Matt! I didn't realize they were 3k pounds though. I've looked at stepladders but with 16 foot side walls I'm thinking the lift is better suited for me. Looks like it makes things easy peasy.

Hopefully I'll be doing the exact same work in the 2 weeks or so. :D
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Another long day. Got two circuits left to run tomorrow, might do three if time permits.
I swear if I ever build another garage/pole building it's gonna have a wire tray around the interior.
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I swear if I ever build another garage/pole building it's gonna have a wire tray around the interior.
That's essentially what the plan was - use that channel for the majority of the wire. It's worked well, but I could have dressed them better.

@Rule292 - it's 2600lbs, and literally worth every penny. Being able to just ride the wall to do the high up stuff versus a ladder, up work, down, move three feet, up, work, down, m9ve three feet... did I also mention it's a great tool holder? Kinda wish I had FBM/CL "Rented" it.. so it would just be available till the project is done and sold it. With 12' eave walls and 18' in the center of the building, yea, ladders suck.
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So more progress. Watched the F1 race, then decided should finish the rough in for the main connection in the house. Used flex conduit and a couple of 90s to bridge the conduit to the bottom of the panel. I still need to put a few brackets on it to secure it w/in 3' of the panel, but overall, I'm feeling accomplished.





Beer 30.

Edit: Also got the Fluke out earlier and confirmed the cable pulls were done without damage all the way through and checked every lug on the new panel for the correct continuity/opens. All is well.
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