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How do those 'keeper' pins work with the grapple, it wasn't obvious to me but maybe I was just tired :p

The instructions stop just short of being complete, I know there is a certain expectation of 'some level of experience required' but as a complete newb (tractors, hydraulics), I wish there was just one more page in the instructions. Specifically the assembly of the grapple itself (hoses to hydraulics), what the bungee is for (Recommended position), and power recommendations. I have it all working now (5 hours for the install) but it would be a bit quicker with just a few more steps to the instructions.

All in all, a great kit, very complete, and the grapple is awesome. Already used it to move a bunch of logs, some large landscaping rocks, and surprisingly a pile of mulch which I thought would fall apart but it didn't.
 

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I don't have the grapple, but I do have Artillian's "Front Hoe" and it uses the "keeper pins". It took me a few minutes to figure it out, but once I did, they make perfect sense.

Bascially, you slide the keeper into the hole and then turn it 90 degrees so the "tab" is downward. That will keep the pin from coming back out. And the "keeper" keeps the grapple section from sliding.

Don't overthink it (like I did for a while)... There's only one way it will go it.

Hopefully this helps. If not, let me know and I'll try to take a video tomorrow and either post it here (I've never posted a video here and don't have a YouTube account) or I'll send it to you via email if you PM me your email address.

Good luck and ENJOY your grapple! Artillian makes good stuff!
 

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I don't have the grapple, but I do have Artillian's "Front Hoe" and it uses the "keeper pins". It took me a few minutes to figure it out, but once I did, they make perfect sense.

Bascially, you slide the keeper into the hole and then turn it 90 degrees so the "tab" is downward. That will keep the pin from coming back out. And the "keeper" keeps the grapple section from sliding.

Don't overthink it (like I did for a while)... There's only one way it will go it.

Hopefully this helps. If not, let me know and I'll try to take a video tomorrow and either post it here (I've never posted a video here and don't have a YouTube account) or I'll send it to you via email if you PM me your email address.

Good luck and ENJOY your grapple! Artillian makes good stuff!
I agree, don't over think it. I know why Artillian has them but that is the one piece of the whole grapple set up I do not care for. It is a fairly simple idea and surprisingly enough it works fairly well but I have broken one of them. It hasn't hurt anything and I haven't checked into a replacement yet. It's just one of those things.

As far as the bungee cord, you put it around the hoses to keep them out of the way or from hanging down. If they hang down there is a high chance they will snag on something and cause you a lot of issues with hydraulic fluid spraying all over the place. I have had my hose snag a couple of times on branches etc. Not a good feeling but those hoses are pretty tough.
 

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I don't have the grapple, but I do have Artillian's "Front Hoe" and it uses the "keeper pins". It took me a few minutes to figure it out, but once I did, they make perfect sense.

Bascially, you slide the keeper into the hole and then turn it 90 degrees so the "tab" is downward. That will keep the pin from coming back out. And the "keeper" keeps the grapple section from sliding.

Don't overthink it (like I did for a while)... There's only one way it will go it.

Hopefully this helps. If not, let me know and I'll try to take a video tomorrow and either post it here (I've never posted a video here and don't have a YouTube account) or I'll send it to you via email if you PM me your email address.

Good luck and ENJOY your grapple! Artillian makes good stuff!
Ok, that makes sense. I was trying to tie the concept of what you just described with Chris's (Artillians) comment that you should just pick up the grapple using the fork frame. I would like to see a video of that operation (from Artillian), including how to get the pins in the right place, etc..

The grapples are a nice tool, I have a few more ideas of how I can use them next weekend. I also have the front hoe but it is still zip-tied to the pallet as I haven't had time to play with it yet.
 

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Don't beat yourself up too bad! :laugh: I'm not even sure there's a link to it on Artillian's site. Artillian Chris mentioned the video one day and I emailed him and asked him for a link. So the link I posted came from my email.

So, it was through great personal effort and hardship that I searched and searched in order to provide you with the necessary video instruction to facilitate the most efficient use of your Artillian purchase. But nothing is too much effort for my GTT brothers. :bigthumb:




Just kidding about the "great personal effort". It was about 15 seconds to click on the "Sort by Sender" in Outlook and find the emails from Artillian Chris. But even if it was 30 seconds, I still would have done it! :laugh:
 

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Hah! your 15 seconds of sweat equity is much appreciated. I put the grapple away for the week as it is too tempting to go back out and goof around with it when I have real work to do. If only there were Artillian tools for Excel spreadsheets....
 

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Hah! your 15 seconds of sweat equity is much appreciated. I put the grapple away for the week as it is too tempting to go back out and goof around with it when I have real work to do. If only there were Artillian tools for Excel spreadsheets....
a real "earthling" and married you wouldn't dare say seat time on a tractor is not "real work!"

We real earthlings all know that seat time on a tractor:greentractorride: is hard but pleasurable work. But we keep the Pleasurable part on the hush-hush with the spouse unit.

Get the idea now?:bigthumb:


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a real "earthling" and married you wouldn't dare say seat time on a tractor is not "real work!"

We real earthlings all know that seat time on a tractor:greentractorride: is hard but pleasurable work. But we keep the Pleasurable part on the hush-hush with the spouse unit.

Get the idea now?:bigthumb:


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I fully understand !

I should have said 'job' not 'work'. My wife is amazed at the all the 'work' that has been done around the yard so far. She took one look at the grapple and said ' what the hell did you buy now ', I just drove away into the woods and came back with a large landscaping rock, she said 'ohh, that is pretty cool, please put it over here' and the grapple is now part of the family :bigbeer:
 

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I think several here must be married to the same "type" of woman. Not that all women are the same you know. (corrected for peace on earth and in the home front'):bigthumb:

Steve
Mine keeps telling me to honk when I come in the driveway so her boyfriend can get away clean. I said why bother, tell him to come out and I will give him a ride back to high school. :)

My wife is actually pretty funny/tolerant. We sat down to discuss finances and she said she needed a single spouse decision spending limit of $500.00 (she doesn't have to tell me, I don't get to ask what is for), I say fine, mine is $1000.00... she says I only have to tell her once per dollar but she doesn't care what it is. She then goes out and buys a $5000.00 horse but says that shes only bought one in 10 years so she hasn't 'really' broken the $500.00 spending limit yet.. grrr... I think I need a box blade now.. horses leave big mounds when you bury them.

Back on topic.

Artillian, Artillian, Artillian... there
 

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Hi All,

Sorry for my absence. I've had some personal issues which have consumed my attention elsewhere. Thanks to you guys who backfilled and helped out your fellow GTT member and new Artillian connoisseur.

How do those 'keeper' pins work with the grapple, it wasn't obvious to me but maybe I was just tired :p
There is a photographic step by step of them in the instruction manual. Did you miss this? We can't really give any better instructions than that, but you can see it in action in one of the Youtube videos of the new Front-Hoe Bucket.

The instructions stop just short of being complete, I know there is a certain expectation of 'some level of experience required' but as a complete newb (tractors, hydraulics), I wish there was just one more page in the instructions. Specifically the assembly of the grapple itself (hoses to hydraulics), what the bungee is for (Recommended position), and power recommendations. I have it all working now (5 hours for the install) but it would be a bit quicker with just a few more steps to the instructions.
Funny, we've been proud that, compared to any installation instructions that come with any kits from John Deere, our instructions are like an encyclopedia. For every inch we give, we just need to keep on giving em, I guess. We can't give specific picture by picture instructions because of the number of tractors and loaders in existence. Some adaptation and imagination is simply required on behalf of the user for things like where a hose restraint goes, which, let me mention are not provided by many other manufacturers, certainly none in the subcompact tractor market.

Power recommendations? Please explain. We provide more information on features and performance specs than anyone else's product that I have seen. I challenge anyone to show me one other manufacturer in this market who (has the engineering knowledge to) publish clamping forces. ???

The mention of wishing for one more page of instructions doesn't help us much. If you had called and ask for help based on confusion in the instructions, we could have both answered your questions and possibly seen areas for improvement in the instructions for others to come, which is still welcome.

All in all, a great kit, very complete, and the grapple is awesome. Already used it to move a bunch of logs, some large landscaping rocks, and surprisingly a pile of mulch which I thought would fall apart but it didn't.
Thanks and glad it all worked out, in due time. Please excuse my succinct answers. They are intended to be in good spirit.
 

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I agree, don't over think it. I know why Artillian has them but that is the one piece of the whole grapple set up I do not care for. It is a fairly simple idea and surprisingly enough it works fairly well but I have broken one of them. It hasn't hurt anything and I haven't checked into a replacement yet. It's just one of those things.

As far as the bungee cord, you put it around the hoses to keep them out of the way or from hanging down. If they hang down there is a high chance they will snag on something and cause you a lot of issues with hydraulic fluid spraying all over the place. I have had my hose snag a couple of times on branches etc. Not a good feeling but those hoses are pretty tough.
If you have a broken key, please contact us for a replacement kit. A small batch of these were made by a brand new weldor and some of his welds were a little undersized on that first day.

Regarding their desirability, these keys are the simplest answer to the problem. The only other economical solution would have been a good old clevis pin with a fastener, which would mean getting at both sides of the attachment at the same time. Once you understand how the keys work, I like to think they are nothing short of stupendous.
 

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I understand how they work and they are simple solution to the issue, it's just that they sort of just hang there and not locked in. I think the piece broke because a side load was put on that particular rake, not sure. I am not sure you could have come up with an easier/cost effective solution it's just not my favorite part of the grapple. Your stuff is well engineered though and has held up well to the work I put it through and I put it through a lot of work and none of it is very easy. I think the tractor will break before grapple does.
 

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Hi All,

There is a photographic step by step of them in the instruction manual. Did you miss this? We can't really give any better instructions than that, but you can see it in action in one of the Youtube videos of the new Front-Hoe Bucket.

Funny, we've been proud that, compared to any installation instructions that come with any kits from John Deere, our instructions are like an encyclopedia. For every inch we give, we just need to keep on giving em, I guess. We can't give specific picture by picture instructions because of the number of tractors and loaders in existence. Some adaptation and imagination is simply required on behalf of the user for things like where a hose restraint goes, which, let me mention are not provided by many other manufacturers, certainly none in the subcompact tractor market.
The instructions were good, I didn't mean to imply that they weren't. They could have had one more step to include how to connect the grapple bucket hydraulics to the quick disconnect, and how to connect the quick disconnect block to the frame. I zoomed in on some pictures on the website and some screen caps from some videos to figure it out but I did figure it out so no worries.

Power recommendations? Please explain. We provide more information on features and performance specs than anyone else's product that I have seen. I challenge anyone to show me one other manufacturer in this market who (has the engineering knowledge to) publish clamping forces. ???
I think I meant running power, rpm, etc.. You guys have great details on the performance of the grapple, really good. Honestly however I don't remember what I meant so it isn't a big deal either way.

I couldn't call from help as I literally had one window of time to work with, late on the weekend between other work and packing for a trip in the morning.

The comment on the 'one more page' is really about finishing the whole project off, those last couple of steps. With one more page it would have been great to supply routing suggestions for the diverter valve switch wiring, mounting for the quick disconnect block (a picture would suffice) and connection instructions for the grapple hydraulics. I have *never* worked with hydraulics before and I figured out after the fact that it was really easy to figure out. If I had any experience with hydraulics I probably wouldn't have commented at all about it.

I am probably as much of a perfectionist as you guys obviously are because of my background in R&D and product development. To anyone else reading this what they should take away is that a complete newb ordered the system blind, figured it out, and got it all working in a reasonable amount of time. My comments are *extremely picky* in nature and not intended to take anything away from what is a great product that has proven to be one of the most useful and satisfying attachments I have.
 

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The instructions were good, I didn't mean to imply that they weren't. They could have had one more step to include how to connect the grapple bucket hydraulics to the quick disconnect, and how to connect the quick disconnect block to the frame. I zoomed in on some pictures on the website and some screen caps from some videos to figure it out but I did figure it out so no worries.



I think I meant running power, rpm, etc.. You guys have great details on the performance of the grapple, really good. Honestly however I don't remember what I meant so it isn't a big deal either way.

I couldn't call from help as I literally had one window of time to work with, late on the weekend between other work and packing for a trip in the morning.

The comment on the 'one more page' is really about finishing the whole project off, those last couple of steps. With one more page it would have been great to supply routing suggestions for the diverter valve switch wiring, mounting for the quick disconnect block (a picture would suffice) and connection instructions for the grapple hydraulics. I have *never* worked with hydraulics before and I figured out after the fact that it was really easy to figure out. If I had any experience with hydraulics I probably wouldn't have commented at all about it.

I am probably as much of a perfectionist as you guys obviously are because of my background in R&D and product development. To anyone else reading this what they should take away is that a complete newb ordered the system blind, figured it out, and got it all working in a reasonable amount of time. My comments are *extremely picky* in nature and not intended to take anything away from what is a great product that has proven to be one of the most useful and satisfying attachments I have.
Earthling,

Not to beat a dead horse, but rather just to close the subject, with the variety of tractors and loaders supported, we cannot give specific help for each one, especially for things like wire routing. This is exactly the kind of interpretation required on the part of the installer. As they say, "It ain't rocket science." The only advice we can offer, which is in the instructions, is to be sure to avoid any moving parts where the wires pass.

As for running power performance specs, this is simply impossible to provide. Even the humidity of the day can affect this, as one miniscule example among many many others.

Thanks for the follow up.

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I understand how they work and they are simple solution to the issue, it's just that they sort of just hang there and not locked in. I think the piece broke because a side load was put on that particular rake, not sure. I am not sure you could have come up with an easier/cost effective solution it's just not my favorite part of the grapple. Your stuff is well engineered though and has held up well to the work I put it through and I put it through a lot of work and none of it is very easy. I think the tractor will break before grapple does.
Understood and appreciated. I share your sentiment to some degree. Unfortunately, there isn't a better way unless people want to pay more and more and more for these attachments. These were the best compromise we could come up with, overall.

Thanks again.
 
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