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We recently discovered a new brand of tea that is noticeably delicious compared to the other brands. They have a sweet tea version and an unsweetened, among other flavors. For me, the sweetened is too sweet, but the unsweetened needed just a little something. So I set about finding just the right mixture, which turned out to be 1 part sweet to 3 parts unsweetened. Lots of ice!

In the process, we became curious just how much sugar was involved in all this. I already knew from some time ago that there is approximately 3 tablespoons (9 teaspoons) of sugar in a 12oz can of Coca Cola, which led me to I giving up soft drinks years ago.

The full strength version of this sweet tea has 27g of sugar in a 12oz serving. Since there are 5g of sugar in one teaspoon, that means there are just over 5 teaspoons of sugar per 12oz serving. Jeez!

That means that even with the ice reducing the serving size to about 8oz, I'm still getting about 1 teaspoon of sugar in my highly cut down sweetened/unsweetened iced tea mixture. I guess that's not so bad, right?

In further reading, the American Heart Association recommends a total maximum of 6 teaspoons of sugar per day for women and 9 teaspoons per day for men.

That got me thinking and looking through the cabinets at the foods we eat every day. It's amazing how much sugar we eat without even realizing it. Take a look for yourself. Read the nutrition labels on some of your foods. Remember that 5g of sugar is 1 teaspoon and you should be having no more than 6 or 9 teaspoons per day, depending on your gender.

All of a sudden, those little tidbits of sweets I like to embellish my day don't seem so much like embellishments. I'm surprised I don't weigh 400 lbs! It's certainly an eye opening explanation why I can never seem to get rid of that extra 10 or 20 lbs that seems to stick around no matter how active I stay.

I'm a terrible exerciser, and a worse dieter. But I'm thinking it's time to start paying a little more attention to what I shove into this pie hole of mine. I hope this helps someone else.
 

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The same is true for salt.....
 

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Having Diabetes I learned this long ago - I also was amazed at how much sugar is in just about everything we consume - even things that you wouldn't think have sugar in them at all.

Chris has a good point - look at the labels!

And I am no health nut for sure but had to pay attention to my sugar intake along with carbohydrates which can be just as bad.
 

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Based on their track record, dieticians are left of psychiatrists on the snake oil vs evidence-based continuum of medical practice.

Remember the "eat margarine, don't eat butter" advice. Turns out that the trans-fats in margarine are about the worse thing you can do.

Excess sugars are clearly a huge problem, but so is inactivity. In Washington you can get a disability parking permit if you tell your doctor that you can't walk 200 feet without resting. And you don't have to have emphysema or other medical condition that is the cause of the problem.

I think the best diet advice is eat a lot of variety, mostly plants, don't worry about fatty meats (they satisfy your appetite quickly), and avoid the processed foods.

(and walk your fence line regularly)
 

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Also, anything "low fat" probably has added sugar, and anything "sugar free" has more fat. They have to get the flavor from somewhere, when they remove flavor.

I think portion control is easiest, and enjoy special things in moderation. I try to avoid excess gluten, and do my own baking with organic flour, to cut the gluten content. Gluten goes straight to the belly, when consumed in much quantity.

I eat as little pre-processed stuff as possible, I rarely eat out, and I eat meat as well as veggie fat, such as avocados. I am a salt-aholic, so won't cut that. (Nor do I give up booze!!) But the artificial stuff is just horrible. And it has been demonstrated many times, that a diet sweetener actually increases your cravings for sweets, so then you are more likely to overeat.

My mom is a diabetic. She was on insulin 3 years ago. With the above mentioned protocol, of having healthy moderation, and nothing artificial, she is now off of insulin and other medications, and can even enjoy a cone of soft serve ice cream (not artificially sweetened) after a meal once or twice a week. (Her favorite!) Yes, she is probably 15 pounds overweight, from the ice cream and such, but at this point in her life, if she enjoys it, and her sugar is staying perfect, I'm sure not going to fuss about that! I do a lot of the cooking for her, and take a load to her and her hubby once a week, on average, to fill their fridge, so they can have a choice for each supper, and not have to eat out all the time, or cook what is not healthy. Not that much harder to make more food each weekend when I am cooking for my week's menu to add in extra for them.
 

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Also, anything "low fat" probably has added sugar, and anything "sugar free" has more fat. They have to get the flavor from somewhere, when they remove flavor.

I think portion control is easiest, and enjoy special things in moderation. I try to avoid excess gluten, and do my own baking with organic flour, to cut the gluten content. Gluten goes straight to the belly, when consumed in much quantity.

I eat as little pre-processed stuff as possible, I rarely eat out, and I eat meat as well as veggie fat, such as avocados. I am a salt-aholic, so won't cut that. (Nor do I give up booze!!) But the artificial stuff is just horrible. And it has been demonstrated many times, that a diet sweetener actually increases your cravings for sweets, so then you are more likely to overeat.

My mom is a diabetic. She was on insulin 3 years ago. With the above mentioned protocol, of having healthy moderation, and nothing artificial, she is now off of insulin and other medications, and can even enjoy a cone of soft serve ice cream (not artificially sweetened) after a meal once or twice a week. (Her favorite!) Yes, she is probably 15 pounds overweight, from the ice cream and such, but at this point in her life, if she enjoys it, and her sugar is staying perfect, I'm sure not going to fuss about that! I do a lot of the cooking for her, and take a load to her and her hubby once a week, on average, to fill their fridge, so they can have a choice for each supper, and not have to eat out all the time, or cook what is not healthy. Not that much harder to make more food each weekend when I am cooking for my week's menu to add in extra for them.
I wholly agree with your statement of portion control and eating in moderation. I don't think it's so much what you eat but how much of it you eat.

Once you've been eating smaller portions for a while your body will naturally start to get full with those smaller portions. I can no longer eat a double meat and and fries anymore just because I now am too full to finish.


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I went on a diet a few years back, figuring I would try to get down to my original weight.
Woke up the 2nd night of the diet and realized it wasn't going to work.
There's no way I could get back down to 10lb. 4oz........ :laugh:
10 lb 4 oz. You can do it. Cremation.
 

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Extreme overweight is also a reflection of more than calories. It's a lack of self esteem, poor basic understanding of nutrition, an excuse to drown ones sorrows in, stupid lazy sedentary behavior, people fighting to get the parking spot closest to the store door instead of walking the extra 200 feet. And food labels that most people can not understand. While it may list calories per serving & serving sizes & sugars & carbs & fiber, they do not give a simple explanation on the relationship of the listed dietary info. What I mean is they don't tell how higher fiber can offset the carbs or the sugars. Of if the sugars are low, but the carbs high, your still screwed even though you think its healthy.

One of my dumb ass relatives is getting as large as the 36" doorway to their house. They say he eats healthy. No sugars at all. Just plain rice, a couple of white potato's & some white bread at lunch time. - Yeah- Healthy eating. A diet fit for a Sumo wrestler. See your doctor, Obama says you can see your doctor or your veterinary. Get a check up & include screening for diabetes & thyroid function. He will give you a diet. Throw it away & ask to have a consultation with a licensed dietician. Or stop screwing around and just move more & eat less. I got rid of one piece of toast in the morning & switched to whole grain bread slice with a little butter & NO SUGAR added jelly. For lunch I went to a half of a sandwich, on rye bread or whole grain bread. To give me that "full feeling" I ate a cucumber, or watermelon, or a couple of pickles. Evening, usually 3 or 4 ounces of meat & a fresh veggie, salad. Desert a homemade cookie. Got rid of 14 pounds in three months. Never went hungry. Lunch was hard at a 1/2 sandwich with no crap on it. Just a slice of ham or baloney with some mustard. But now I can't eat more than a half at lunch. Diet & tastes are learned or acquired. Things we learn or acquire over time can be changed to our benefit or destruction. At least that's what I think.
 

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Maddogg; what about people who are just gentical large. my dad's side was like that, my great grand mother buried 2 husbands and had I think 11 children all told. I have 1 picture of her and she was a big woman,6ft 2inches, don't know her weight for sure. I got tired of every doctor wanting to cut my gut open and sew me up. I have eaten healthy in the last 5 yrs than all the yrs on the road would allow me. my fault I believe has been drinking pepsi most of my life, drank it every day, coffee some too every day, but just couldn't acquire the tast for coffee, and I ether drove truck or run equipment, not a lot of hard sweating going on there too. could never sleep the same time of day or night because of waiting to load, unload. now in the last 2 yrs my thyroid has started to screw up also, get one thing fixed and something else messes up it seems. if i'ld been in the old days by now i'ld been 6 ft under waiting on charley boy. over the years I have tried all kind of things, but when it only takes 30 to 45 mins. to tie down a load of steel and flop the bows and tarp, their isn't many calories being burned, probably used more to keep my eyelids open.:laugh: the last thing I have to add is, my dad who worked in the woods all his life could skin the cat when he was 33 years old, does anyone know how to do that on a tree branch?. good subject-oh, big jim
 

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Maddog;

If a "diet" leaves you wanting more, it is harder to stick with. And we have all seen the fads come and go. Yes, they will all work, but they are not something someone can live with long term.

After a truck wreck a few years ago, I was given a lot of pharmaceuticals to manage the pain and swelling in my spinal region. The side effects of those drugs was weight gain and a massively increased appetite. Couple that with the fact I could not do my usual work routine of stacking hay, etc., well I did not look or feel like me.

Once I got off of those medications, the body had "reset" its normal point to its current weight. I really thought that is where I would remain, on the scales.

However, I decided to try to get back to my previous weight. Here is what I did, and it is a lifestyle change that I can live with. I think almost anyone else can too. And, I think I am at a decent weight for a gal over 25!

I never denied myself my favorite foods. However, I did not eat them every day. I would remain on the limited (1200-1500 for me) calorie a day plan, 6 days out of 7. If I was craving something such as pizza, or Mexican food, I just planned to have that on my fun day. Fun days are a day you are not at work, so you enjoy the entire day, and are not eating in a rush to get back to the job, so you truly enjoy your favorite foods. So, if I was craving something in particular on Tuesday, I did not go get it or eat it then. Instead, I planned to enjoy it on Friday or Saturday. Knowing that I could have it, kept me from feeling like I was denying myself. And my one fun day a week, I did not count calories. I did NOT snack on any of the days, but on the fun day, I just enjoyed meals. The next day, back on the plan, and look forward to the next fun day.

Also, I set reasonable goals. If a person says, "I want/need to lose 25 pounds", that can sound like a daunting task. I would set mine into 5-7 pound increments. And, when I attained the mini goal, I celebrated. Not a full blown party, but allowed myself to indulge a tiny bit more. Maybe an extra glass of wine that evening, or a Lindt chocolate bar (OK, 3-4 squares of the bar, not the entire thing!) Then back to going after the next 3-5. This allows successes, and really helps the willpower. After all, if you do not attain a goal, it can be discouraging. Set realistic goals along the way, and as you reach each on, you can look back over the long haul and see how far you have really come!!

Another way to look at this......

The average person eats 21 meals a week. If you are really good, (gals, calories as stated above, guys, 1500-1800 calories a day) for 15-16 of those meals, the others can be almost whatever you want, as long as they are meals and not an all day eat fest. By not denying yourself your favorite foods and not calling it a diet, you really can change your lifestyle habits, and succeed in losing AND MAINTAINING your weight.
 

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Some of the replies here reminded me of the time when I was sent to a nutritionist some years ago as a rebellious alternative to being put on cholesterol medication. The nutritionist gave me a very simple photo of a dinner plate with one big difference from what I'd I known all my life.

Since as long as I could remember, when I served myself a meal, it always seemed normal to use half of the plate for the main course (meat), a quarter for a side of veggies, and a quarter for starch. Right?

Here is a similar image to the one she gave me. It was one of those OHHHH moments for me. Makes perfect sense when you stop and think about it. Luckily for me, I love vegetables so it was an easy behavioral change.

Oh, and with regard to the cholesterol, my physician was astounded when I went back three months later and my levels were well within the safe range, thanks to that nutritionist who helped me to just see things a little differently.
 

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Some of the replies here reminded me of the time when I was sent to a nutritionist some years ago as a rebellious alternative to being put on cholesterol medication. The nutritionist gave me a very simple photo of a dinner plate with one big difference
from what I'd I known all my life. my cholesterol is one thing that is not messed up in me, years ago, I needed to go for a cdl physical around philly area and seen this little foreign doctor who than said--uh for a guy who's body looks so ugly on the outside, ur inside is incrediblely good shape inside. at that time I told him as growing up my family ate a lot of wild game(deer,rabbit,squirrel,etc.)all wild game is suppose to be very lean meat, something I alsway heard growing up. and to this day, my cholesterol has stayed very low, now my trigricades, and hdsomethings is a little out of wack, but I've been taking a good old fish oil pill for several yrs and that seems to be working for now. big jim
 

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I was poking around on Netflix this weekend and stumbled across a few terrific and eye opening documentaries on today's obesity epidemic. They changed my point of view.

One was called Fed Up. It discusses how it's nearly impossible for many young people to avoid becoming obese in the face of the products being offered and advertising. I was surprised to learn what school cafeterias offer kids to eat these days compared to what we got when I was in school. Unbelievable.

The other impactful one was called Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. This was about a man who was well over 300 lbs with other ailments who set out to get back down to a healthy weight, and succeeded. Along the way, he ended up saving the life of another man who, in turn, inspired his whole town and others to improve as well. A great story.

A third one worth watching was called Food Matters which talks about better foods to eat, also well worth watching.

I hope this helps someone in need.
 

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I try to avoid excess gluten, and do my own baking with organic flour, to cut the gluten content. Gluten goes straight to the belly, when consumed in much quantity.
farmgirl, I do not know if we are using organic wheat, but,
there is little chance that our flour could be fresher, or more "whole wheat" :laugh:



We got married in 1976 and my wife had me buld the wheat grinder in 1977.

It has been used at least weekly since.
The only maintenance that has been required is several times the motor capacitor needed replaced.

Once you have a REAL whole wheat cookie, you can not eat a white flour one,,, :thumbup1gif:
 

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No pic, but my wife is frying the pork chops,,,

breaded with home grown eggs, and bread baked with home milled wheat four,,,

If it kills me, I will not post tomorrow,,,, :laugh:
 

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I went on a diet a few years back, figuring I would try to get down to my original weight.
Woke up the 2nd night of the diet and realized it wasn't going to work.
There's no way I could get back down to 10lb. 4oz........ :laugh:
Bill you are one funny guy!
 

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No pic, but my wife is frying the pork chops,,,

breaded with home grown eggs, and bread baked with home milled wheat four,,,

If it kills me, I will not post tomorrow,,,, :laugh:
Nice to have read your posts CADplans! :lol:
 
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