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I looked those, mowjoe. Thought about them myself
 

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As long as you go straight, they’ll stay on great.
 

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not bad but ....

I read a lot of good reviews on these and finally decided to give in and order a set....


That was until I saw the added shipping prices. Just like the tv adds everything looks good until they start piling on shipping and handling costs:banghead:

So not only $7 for one but if wanted something werid like say 2 then add another $7 plus $45 more..:banghead:


How many of you have ordered just one of these? (removed comment)..

Well wish them the best but also wish they wouldn't try this stupid shipping game on us. To me this is a game to others just good business.

Why not just advertise 2 for $99 shipped :unknown:and everyone wins but this is just one person comments and suggestions . Just hate the adding prices up and up but they do look neat!:gizmo:
 

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There is no such thing as "free" shipping.

Yes us vendors really like to "milk more out of you" just for fun...
 

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i agree there is no free shipping so....

so why not include the shipping in the price if you want to be upfront with everyone and just include the shipping in the price?

Understand your a vendor but I was not saying bad things about their product just why they couldn't include it.

If it would make you feel better I can remove this so no one else will be offended.
 

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so why not include the shipping in the price if you want to be upfront with everyone and just include the shipping in the price?

Understand your a vendor but I was not saying bad things about their product just why they couldn't include it.

If it would make you feel better I can remove this so no one else will be offended.
I don't think that anyone is offended, but I think you're implying that the R2 Guys (as well as other vendors) are trying to do something shady where shipping is involved. I know that there are some businesses that want their shipping department to be a profit center (I know this because I install accounting systems with warehouse integration and I know that many companies will mark up their shipping costs - but that's a discussion for another day), but many just want to cover the actual, direct shipping costs.

While your suggestion to just say "2 for $99 including shipping" might sound OK at first, you have to remember a couple of things. First, R2 doesn't always ship Edge Tamers in pairs. Many people only order 2, but many people also order 3 (one for the middle). I would imagine that some people might order 2 of one size and 1 of another. Also, many people are ordering "Edge Extenders" which I bet ship in the same box with Edge Tamer, so no extra postage. But, if you order the Extender later, you're going to pay for shipping. So if they "included shipping" in the Extender price but shipped it in the same flat rate box with the Edge Tamer, the consumer gets ripped off. All these guys are doing is trying to give the best deal they can for shipping.

In Kenny's case, I know that he does everything possible to pack as much into a single flat rate box as possible. I also know that if his website estimates more shipping costs than he actually incurs, he issues a refund. Not only does that take money (that you've agreed to pay when you placed the order) out of his pocket, it also costs him in time to process the refunds so his "pay per hour" is reduced due to the additional administrative costs.


It's up to you - the consumer - to decide if you want to pay the "total price" or not. I've actually got stuff in my Rural King shopping cart right now that I decided to not order because of the $157 shipping cost on a large post hole auger. And I've gotten 3 or 4 "reminder emails" from Rural King trying to get me to place the order. Instead, I'm still shopping around to see what the best total price I can get on what I need. This past Friday I was shopping for "1 Gallon Containers" like what you get plants in from the garden center. I could order them for under 30 cents each. So I decided to order 200 of them (don't ask why! :laugh:) The shipping was somewhere around $250!!! :lol: I don't think so!! As long as the website allows me to see the shipping cost before I have to put in my credit card info, I'm OK with it.

Don't think for a minute that companies like Titan and EverythingAttachments really give "free shipping". That's why they offer "discount prices" when you pick it up yourself.
 

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While your suggestion to just say "2 for $99 including shipping" might sound OK at first, you have to remember a couple of things. First, R2 doesn't always ship Edge Tamers in pairs. Many people only order 2, but many people also order 3 (one for the middle).
That's what I did.

I would imagine that some people might order 2 of one size and 1 of another. Also, many people are ordering "Edge Extenders" which I bet ship in the same box with Edge Tamer, so no extra postage. But, if you order the Extender later, you're going to pay for shipping. So if they "included shipping" in the Extender price but shipped it in the same flat rate box with the Edge Tamer, the consumer gets ripped off. All these guys are doing is trying to give the best deal they can for shipping.
Again... that's what I did.

Don't think for a minute that companies like Titan and EverythingAttachments really give "free shipping". That's why they offer "discount prices" when you pick it up yourself.
The practice I mind is those high minimum shipping charges from some places. They may be warranted by details unknown to me but having to pay $10.00-$15.00 shipping for a few O-rings that could have been shipped in an envelop for a first class stamp is tough to swallow.
 

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so why not include the shipping in the price if you want to be upfront with everyone and just include the shipping in the price?

Understand your a vendor but I was not saying bad things about their product just why they couldn't include it.

If it would make you feel better I can remove this so no one else will be offended.
I just went to their site. It tells you right on the page how much the shipping is. It says shipping is $7 a piece or $18 for the 6”.

I don’t know how more up front they can be.

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Hi all,

I didn't check GTT yesterday, this was an interesting thread. USAFRet, thank you for the feedback, I can understand the feeling. FWIW, we chose to do the shipping this way for several reasons:

1.) It is simple and (we were hoping) transparent. For US customers, the customer doesn't have to go through entering all their information to figure out what the shipping would cost.
2.) We didn't want to incentivize customers to over-order. I routinely tell folks that if you're not sure if you need two or three, get two now and you can always order a third later. When customers do that on the 3" and 4" we frankly ship the single at a loss, but at least we've minded their pocketbook and didn't encourage them to spend more than they needed.
3.) We can't do "free" shipping because we also ship internationally, and at the weights we ship the costs to us are highly variable. At the moment, we ship almost all international orders at a narrow loss. I need to go in and update our shipping tables since USPS increased their rates.

I'd offer a few other notes. One is that only in the US (and with USPS) can a small business ship 20+ lbs of steel product anywhere in the country for less than $20. We all benefit from the post office, God bless them. The second is that I promise anyone reading this thread that whenever I look at shipping revenue and shipping costs over any period of time, things about break even. We intend to make money from our products, not our shipping.

All that said, we plan on introducing more products later in the year, and we may have to revise some/all of these policies anyway, we'll see what happens. It all depends on how we can make things fit together so that when people put various things in the cart the shipping all works out.

Have a great evening all,

The Guys At R2
 

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Hi all,

I didn't check GTT yesterday, this was an interesting thread. USAFRet, thank you for the feedback, I can understand the feeling. FWIW, we chose to do the shipping this way for several reasons:

1.) It is simple and (we were hoping) transparent. For US customers, the customer doesn't have to go through entering all their information to figure out what the shipping would cost.
2.) We didn't want to incentivize customers to over-order. I routinely tell folks that if you're not sure if you need two or three, get two now and you can always order a third later. When customers do that on the 3" and 4" we frankly ship the single at a loss, but at least we've minded their pocketbook and didn't encourage them to spend more than they needed.
3.) We can't do "free" shipping because we also ship internationally, and at the weights we ship the costs to us are highly variable. At the moment, we ship almost all international orders at a narrow loss. I need to go in and update our shipping tables since USPS increased their rates.

I'd offer a few other notes. One is that only in the US (and with USPS) can a small business ship 20+ lbs of steel product anywhere in the country for less than $20. We all benefit from the post office, God bless them. The second is that I promise anyone reading this thread that whenever I look at shipping revenue and shipping costs over any period of time, things about break even. We intend to make money from our products, not our shipping.

All that said, we plan on introducing more products later in the year, and we may have to revise some/all of these policies anyway, we'll see what happens. It all depends on how we can make things fit together so that when people put various things in the cart the shipping all works out.

Have a great evening all,

The Guys At R2
Excellent response R2. Thanks for taking the time.
 

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I will add one thing to R2’s post - these things are heavy! $7 a piece for shipping is a bargain.
That's the beauty of shipping them flat rate via the USPS.

Every time I grab one to mount it to my bucket I am amazed at the weight.
 

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That's the beauty of shipping them flat rate via the USPS.

Every time I grab one to mount it to my bucket I am amazed at the weight.
That’s why I posted that - just took mine off Sunday. Might have to put them back on however - that’s the beauty of these things - 2 minutes and ready for snow removal.
 

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That’s why I posted that - just took mine off Sunday. Might have to put them back on however - that’s the beauty of these things - 2 minutes and ready for snow removal.
I know what you mean, they are calling for another SNOWpocalypse here in central PA again.. we'll see.

My biggest concern when installing my Edge Tamers is that I'm going to drop one on my foot when grabbing them off the shelf! :)
 

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Kenny doesn't play any shipping games. I ordered his extended hooks for $x and paid $13.00 for shipping. I think the day my order was processed, he credited my charge card $6.00 or $7.00 because it didn't cost him as much as originally expected. Thanks Kenny!
 
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