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I am contemplating a 1025r. I was able to borrow a
Mahindra eMax 22 HST FEL to dig some fence post concrete out of the ground. What happened after I finished is what I’m sure typically happens. Since I have a FEL I’ll just move this. Oh I can move this dirt and fill some holes in. Oh let me smooth this ground out. Basically I kept finding things to do with it. Let me try this finishing mower on this over growth behind the garage. Let me just scrape the thorny overgrowth with the FEL instead.

It got me thinking, maybe I can get a small Scoop for my mower for mulch and moving pea gravel around. That transitioned to me finding the SCUT market (TTWT) and looking at a used 2017 1025TLB 100hr with 60” MMM for $14k locally and a ‘19 1025r w/ FEL, frontier box blade, trailer and MMM for about $20k.

So the question is, can I legitimately justify replacing my Cub Cadet 46” non-ZT mower with a 1025r for twice weekly cuttings and honey do’s? In my mind I can justify anything of course, but wanted owner opinions. With the Cub it takes about an hour to mow. The Mahindra was definitely faster in speed.

I have an acre of property in total with Bermuda grass and weeds. The area is flat and open mostly save for a few obstacles in the back yard. I don’t mow AROUND anything, just go by them in straight lines including the small amount of trees (3) in the front yard.

The wife loves mulch in her garden, my back doesn’t :) I usually get a truck load or two of it a year and figured a FEL would be useful for moving it around the house. Plus I want to top dress and level the yard which could mean putting tons of top soil on the yard yearly until it’s smooth.

I need a French drain done (backhoe). I need to move 5 tons of rock to the back yard for our pool oasis. I’m constantly saying, you know a tractor would make this task easier.

It costs about $200 to rent a Kubota BX locally for 8 hours. However if I break it, I’ve bought it so I’m wary of rentals. The motor can blow and their contract holds me liable. I’d rather spend money fixing up stuff I own :)
 

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I am contemplating a 1025r. I was able to borrow a
Mahindra eMax 22 HST FEL to dig some fence post concrete out of the ground. What happened after I finished is what I’m sure typically happens. Since I have a FEL I’ll just move this. Oh I can move this dirt and fill some holes in. Oh let me smooth this ground out. Basically I kept finding things to do with it. Let me try this finishing mower on this over growth behind the garage. Let me just scrape the thorny overgrowth with the FEL instead.

It got me thinking, maybe I can get a small Scoop for my mower for mulch and moving pea gravel around. That transitioned to me finding the SCUT market (TTWT) and looking at a used 2017 1025TLB 100hr with 60” MMM for $14k locally and a ‘19 1025r w/ FEL, frontier box blade, trailer and MMM for about $20k.

So the question is, can I legitimately justify replacing my Cub Cadet 46” non-ZT mower with a 1025r for twice weekly cuttings and honey do’s? In my mind I can justify anything of course, but wanted owner opinions. With the Cub it takes about an hour to mow. The Mahindra was definitely faster in speed.

I have an acre of property in total with Bermuda grass and weeds. The area is flat and open mostly save for a few obstacles in the back yard. I don’t mow AROUND anything, just go by them in straight lines including the small amount of trees (3) in the front yard.

The wife loves mulch in her garden, my back doesn’t :) I usually get a truck load or two of it a year and figured a FEL would be useful for moving it around the house. Plus I want to top dress and level the yard which could mean putting tons of top soil on the yard yearly until it’s smooth.

I need a French drain done (backhoe). I need to move 5 tons of rock to the back yard for our pool oasis. I’m constantly saying, you know a tractor would make this task easier.

It costs about $200 to rent a Kubota BX locally for 8 hours. However if I break it, I’ve bought it so I’m wary of rentals. The motor can blow and their contract holds me liable. I’d rather spend money fixing up stuff I own :)

You should be able to purchase "insurance" with any rental.

With only an acre...skip the backhoe...rent a mini ex for your couple projects.

Yes a FEL is very handy.
 

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I’ve had the precursor to the 1025r for 13 years on seven acres. I’ve never needed a back hoe. This spring my neighbor next door on his one acre bought a John Deere shovel for his X324 and quickly got a Johnny Bucket which he is pleased with. Why he didn’t do all this many years ago I’ll never understand. It’s all in what you would like and can afford. My advice is to stick with what you get. Trading in/up is a loser.
 

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I would skip the backhoe as well. Very expensive (~$6k) unless you need it a lot. A 50hp mini excavator is 40 times as potent at digging and can be had for $600 bucks for the weekend. You could dig up your entire acre yard with it.

I have a 1025r on 7 acres and it is perfect for my situation. 3 acres of cleared land, an acre of lightly wooded and 3 acres of forest and trails. A clear acre seems like it could be managed without a tractor BUT I would never be without a tractor again after having one. Like you are thinking, you will find things to do with it once you have it. Also, helping neighbors and friends is really rewarding. Clearing a snowed in neighbor, helping a friend make trails or moving their gravel... its tons of fun.

Over 15+ years I do think it will pay for itself and it will also be a lot of fun to use, work on, learn about.
 

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I have a 1023E and use it for woods and yard chores on my 2.5 acre lake home. There are a couple of little projects where a backhoe would be really convenient, but those few chores just aren't worth the thousands of $$$ a BH would cost, not to mention the hassles of removing/installing and finding a place to store it conveniently. At $200 per day for an excavator and less than that for a tractor with backhoe, the cost of a backhoe buys a lot more digging time than I can ever use.
 

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I traded in my x748 on a 1025R TLB in late 2013, first year for the 1025R. I bought the TLB (tractor - loader - backhoe) because I new I was going to use the BH pretty much the first couple years as I was in the planning stages of building my garage and some pretty serious retaining wall and landscape work. I do not regret buying the BH when I bought the tractor.

I know many say, rent a mini-excavator and I get that. The issue I have with renting something is, you have to do the job when you can rent the machine and you have to complete it during the rental period of time.

I needed the BH for misc. digging jobs and I wanted to do them when I wanted to do them, sort of the way I am on everything.

Granted, the BH isn't a mini-excavator but then most jobs done with the BH aren't major jobs so they can easily be done with the BH.

Concerning your questions, "can I legitimately justify" buying a 1025R. I will just say this, I really don't believe we legitimately justify too many things that we buy. We buy stuff because we want it, not because we can justify it. I think it is more about; can we afford it, and based on priority, where is this thing that I want to buy on my list of priorities.

So, it sounds like you want a 1025R!! It sound like you have FEL work, mmm work, and BH work (french drains) and maybe snow removal, depending on where you live.

My property is one acre, all on a hill except the top where the house and garage set. I use my 1025R for mowing, snow removal, FEL work, BH work.

Tasks that I have used my 1025R for are: digging all the trenches for utility and drainage lines when I built my garage, used the FEL and BH for all digging work and back-fill work when I built all my retaining walls (I hired a contractor to lay the walls but I did all the digging, back-fill, and dress up work), mow weekly (sometimes twice), mulch every spring with FEL, installed some drainage lines that I have wanted to do since I bought my house in the early 90's, etc., etc., etc.

Things that I didn't do before because of the work, I now have done, plus more.

IMO, the 1 series, or the 2025R, is the perfect sized tractor for the average homeowner with one acre ±.

So, the real questions are:
1. do you want one?
2. can you afford one? (they aren't cheap and you will be buying attachments for the rest of your life, and you will have to build a garage to keep it in, etc. :laugh:)
3. did you buy it yet????

Some projects that I have done (top picture is before):
 

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I find the backhoe a lot more useful than I thought I would. It solves problems which cannot be solved with the FEL.

Will it actually pay for itself? Maybe not, but who cares!

As for one acre. I had a calf acre, and had enormous amount of productivity and fun with my 1025r TLB.

You have already proven that you enjoy working with a SCUT.

If you can afford it, get it!
 

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Im with Tim. In a previous life I worked for a landscaping company. I could bring home Bobcats, back hoes, dump trucks, anything I needed at no cost. When I left that life I was stuck hiring others or doing it by hand. That lasted all of about 2 yrs. My 425 with loader wasnt cutting it. I got a 1025r TL with mower, added a brush hog, york rake, and tiller but that didnt solve the back hoe fix. As of last week I have a 2025 TLB. I will find tons of uses at my 1 acre property, my moms place, and neighbors that need small jobs done. If the back hoe sits for 350 days a year its still there when I need it. No rental needed. Dont let anyone tell you if you dont "need" a back hoe not to get it. Of course it depends one how much you WANT it. Also dont be afraid to trade up if the first try isnt big enough. There is nothing more frustrating that tackling a job with a "too small" machine. Usually somewhere an hour in to it, I would gladly pay another chunk to have the right machine. As we get older and closer to retiring we have to think about why I worked those 40 yrs if it wasnt to have some things I WANT. If you can afford it, you deserve whatever you want.
 

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I can tell you from experience that the TLB is a good way to go....now having said that I have about 7-8 acres and had some stumps needing work. I traded my JD990 which was 40 h.p. with front end loader and some equipment for a used 2014 TLB. A dealer South of my area had tractor...was traded in and had 550 hrs. I do my own tractor work and have restored tractors so I worked out a trade. Had to do a few minor things but previous owner had done good maintenance. I've been more, more than pleased. Just this weekend did a stump for a neighbor. Now having said about the backhoe, they are an over powerhouse but will give you enough digging for trenching, routine excavation, etc. I really love the backhoe and my model has the revolving seat and I love using the backhoe with grapple purchased from a vendor. I modernized backhoe so I could use the new grapple. Personally I think getting used models is an area that is vastly overlooked, however JD's financing is a real key on new purchases. I don't like the double seats on the newer units and I don't like the belly mower at all. Have mine off as I have rear finish on my 4400 and a zero turn. The mower is in the way for backhoe work and I don't like the quickhatch rattley situation....but remember Deere is trying to meet all needs in one small tractor. Also they are trying to reach all genders and age groups. I think the small configuration is great for homeowners as you can really get it in tight places. One might want to check with Good works tractors as he has a lot of nice stuff. Seldom see the backhoe configuration "used" at many dealers. I had to search within 150 plus miles for one. Tells me that folks hang onto them....however my deal the previous owner traded in for a 2025 which is higher..."in my opinion" not better for close use and doesn't offer much if any more power to the cylinders. Higher "in my opinion" is not better in backhoes..good luck on your choices....
 

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We can "justify" anything we want.

There are lots of other people that will tell you that you don't need it. Take a peak into their garages' and you'll find all kinds of "stuff you don't need" like motorcycles, sports cars, boats, dirt bikes, ATV's, UTV's, snowmobiles, etc, etc.

I would guess that a large portion of the tractors & equipment owned by members of this site would fall further into the "Want" category than the "Need". Mine certainly does.

I wonder how many of the "just go rent an excavator" folks have even actually gone and rented a piece of equipment like a tractor or excavator? I used to be one of those go rent it folks, but I never had more than an occasional need for something like a backhoe. I did rent every now and then. Wasn't terrible, but I wouldn't want to do it very often.

Now I have one, and a place that I can play with it. I don't regret not buying one before, because it would have just sat most of the time. Kind of fun having one now, and being able to use it.

Boils down to just a few questions that only you can answer, the big one being can you afford it. We all spend money of stuff we just want.

So how bad do you want to join the "I've got a _______ club"?
 

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I think that if I only owned the 2 acres I mow, a 1025 TLB would still be vital to maintaining it. The 260b is extremely useful. I bought the backhoe because I knew I needed to redo my sewer connection (yet to be done). Yeah I could rent a full sized backhoe or mini ex, but I wouldn’t have rented for the 12 other projects I’ve used my 260b for this summer. I’d have been out there digging by hand. It’s convenient to have it on hand at a moments notice. It’s easy to take on and off, takes maybe a minute. My 2025 mows my yard like a dream, I’m sure the 1025 mows just as well.
 

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I completely support the concept of "I don't really need it, but I want it". That's been a standard purchasing paradigm for me for decades. OTOH, there are a LOT of things that I would like to spend those thousands of dollars on, so I prioritize. Having a backhoe is on that list, but it's pretty far down. Maybe it would be closer to the top if I didn't live about a mile from the backhoe rental place, and didn't have a bazillion buried cables and tubes running around my property...multiple gas lines, cable, electric, sewer lift, lawn irrigation system. I have Gopher State One-call on speed dial as it is.
 

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It's that time of year to start to look for left over TLB's and good deals. Personally, if I had ground work to do, I'd get a BH. You're already planning on getting the machine, so why not make it the most useful it can be? Ask yourself this, how long have you wanted to do these drains, or anything else that requires a BH? You could have always rented a machine to get it done, but you didn't. What makes you think you'll rent one after you get a 1025R W/O a BH? Probably because it's not convenient, and it makes work around the house less enjoyable when you have a rented machine in your possession.

Like many others, I use my BH way more than I originally thought. Due to my sandy soil conditions I got the 16" bucket, that thing will dig a hole in no time, enough I could bury your car. It also is not difficult to install and remove. Once you practice a few times it's a 5 min job.
 

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Thank you for the feedback. I can afford it which is why I entertained the idea of a SCUT.

The reason for deciding on the TLB was the local 2017 model with 100 hours. At the dealer price they have it for, I could easily get a non-dealer regular 1025r with FEL and MMM for about the same price. It was a “free” bonus the way I looked at it.

My main concern was the MMM where a lot have said it doesn’t cut as good as a regular riding mower, but no one explained why. I didn’t know if it’s because of maneuverability or cut quality. Since I have Bermuda I’m seriously entertaining a bat wing reel mower attachment versus using the MMM.

Our local place doesn’t offer rental insurance and I was on edge the entire time I rented a towable wood chipper from them. Borrowing the SCUT that I did was nice because I didn’t have to return it at the end of the day. I guarantee I put 8-9 hours on it, working into the evening, and could return it at my leisure to the owner. It was hot also so I took frequent 10 minutes water breaks. Renting really sucks.
 

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Couldn’t agree more with the folks who said get the backhoe. I bought a 2018 TLB in the fall of 2017. Got a good price and the 0% financing. I use the backhoe WAY more than I ever thought I would. Just simple things like planting a bush or small tree is sooooo much easier, especially with all the rock and clay in my area. Add a set of pallet forks for the FEL and you gain so much versatility. I use the forks for moving large brush piles, logs, large rocks, etc. the ONLY regret I have with the 1025R is I didn’t buy it sooner.
 

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I had a johnny bucket jr. on a craftsman pgt9000 on my 1/2 acre for like 5 years. I started with the sears manual trasctor scoop, and upgraded after using it like 2x with mulch

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After the first big job of moving and spreading a truckload of pea gravel around my pool I'd decided it was far too small for the job at hand. Man, the safety police would have killed me: I built a platform out of pallets about 2' high, took a scoop of gravel and drove up loading ramps until I was on top of the pallets and high enough to dump into my garden trailer - continued until trailer was full, then hitched up and drove to the back yard; dumped, spread with rake and repeat. Took like 3 days!

I'm about 15 months into my 1025r ownership w/ loader, mower etc. While it does everything my old one did with same size 54" deck, it does it a lot more comfortably and faster + I use the FEL way more than I ever thought I would and plowed all last winter - my 28" thrower never even got fired up after its annual oil change. The newness hasn't worn off yet, and I'm still amazed at how much smaller the turning radius is on this machine vs. my old one. And holy crap, power steering alone with a heavy load in the bucket was nearly worth the price of admission for me!

It boils down to what you can justify to yourself and your family. After window shopping and watching people like TTWT for far too long I spent 4-5x more on my 1025r than I did on my original setup, but I said "look honey, its the smallest machine I can get with a front loader and my back isn't up to the small PITA i have anymore." Additionally I was able to sell on CL my original setup at 7yrs old and 110 hours for about a 1/3rd of what I had into it, which I felt was pretty fair, considering I'm super anal about maintaining my equipment and had complete records and instructions to gift the new owner. Put things in perspective after leaf cleanup this morning I'm @ 48hrs and 15 months :).
 

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My main concern was the MMM where a lot have said it doesn’t cut as good as a regular riding mower, but no one explained why. I didn’t know if it’s because of maneuverability or cut quality. Since I have Bermuda I’m seriously entertaining a bat wing reel mower attachment versus using the MMM.
Many people have good success with the MMM . It has great quality IF it's set up properly. My 60D mowed like crap when I first got it. After seeking help here, I bought a level gauge, drove it into the garage and found the deck to be not even close to level in both directions. Mind you this was all supposed to be set up by the dealer. After about an hour I had it level. Since then it's cut great. I was never expecting the quality of cut from a good dedicated mower, but it does fine for my property and needs.

Some say to just get a zero turn or a dedicated mower, but that's not what I wanted. My mowing season is only about 3 months long here and I didn't want another motor and machine to maintain (especially gas) when most of the time it would be sitting taking up more space in my garage. However, everyone's needs and situations are different and there is nothing wrong with that. I would suggest getting the mulch kit if you do decide on a MMM. Well worth it, I installed one this season and would never go back to regular discharge. And remember, the autoconnect is the best in the industry. You can dismount or mount that thing in less than a minute.
 

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I have always said "Need has nothing to do with it". If you want it and can afford it you will find something to do with it. I have used my backhoe a lot more that I thought I would. There is always a hole that needs to be dug somewhere. L
 

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A lot of good advise here, so I'm throwing in my 2 cents on why I didn't get a backhoe on my 1025.

I have used combination backhoe/loaders from Case to Deere. Also have used mini excavators. I'm pretty comfortable using them and I thought the backhoe would sit too much for me to spend the money on it. I used that trade off to set it up for me to be comfortable blowing snow in the winter by adding the Mauser cab.

Like some have said, everybody's needs are different.

Now, I was up at the cabin clearing some small trees. I looked at the stumps and thought hmm, a backhoe would have these out in no time. But was able to use front bucket with the Heavy Hitch tooth bar to get them out. Yeah, took longer and probably made more of a mess digging a 4 ft wide swath when I just need a few inches. But I got it done. Did the same mess when a rock bit my mower deck. :nunu: Wife came out to see me digging with front bucket and asked if I was going to china! Not quite, but that rock is not going to win.

So, just when you think that you wouldn't use it much, you find more things to do with it.

Sounds like you have a small list already for a backhoe, so why not get it.
 

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My turn......I've had a 2018 TLB for just two years now. It's got a little short of 200 hours on it and a lot of that has been using the backhoe. When I bought the machine I had tried renting a Kubota TLB for a FEL project, moving two dual axle dump trucks of rip rap limestone. It had a backhoe so I thought I'd try it out doing some of the project. I've had years of experience using other hydraulic tools including truck mounted cranes and augers setting hydro poles so I figured this should be relatively easy. Let me tell you, you are not going to get on a rented backhoe and just do the job, it's going to take several days before you are good enough to get the job done properly. It's something that takes practice. If you have backhoe projects and don't have your own, you may be further ahead to get someone else to do them for you. It just may be faster and less stressful, and cheaper. But,when you have your own backhoe you have it there when you want/need it and the more you use it the better you willl get with it. My wife and I have 9 acres, half of it is bush. We use the tractor almost daily for one thing or another. I don't have a lot of implements, yet, but the backhoe comes off and goes back on quicker each time I do it. As it is said here often, if you use the front-end-loader you will need ballast, several hundred pounds of it. A backhoe weighs several hundred pounds. As some of the others here have mentioned there is a diffrence between 'wanting' and 'needing'. In my case, I 'wanted' the backhoe. I use it so much I can't imagine not having it, and if I went to a bigger tractor I'd have one on it too. As a matter of fact, if I bought a bigger tractor it would probably be because I wanted a bigger backhoe. If you get one, you will use it! Just my two cents.
 
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