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So I have a 1026r with 54" mmm. I'm tired of taking it on and off, along with loader, etc. I'm tired of bouncing around like crazy. I'm tired of half the mower knobs and setup and alignments etc being hard to turn, setup etc. I know adjustments can be made here and there but it's just... Yeah.

So I'm taking myself into getting a zero turn for mowing and leave my mini tractor for tractoring.

I first came here to check out the John Deere zero turns of course, but in my research realized they don't really have any kind of fancy suspension either, which is half my issue.

I saw the popular dieselshadow went from a JD to a Ferris, and saw it had an actual suspension. I've talked to a local dealer and he's putting together a IS600Z to let me bring home and try on my property, and assures me I will be writing a check after that. He's quoting me $5800 before tax right now.

Can anyone give me insight into my choice here? An alternative JD that would be just as good for same or less money? I have 3 acres of yard.
 

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I dont have any experience with Ferris but I know alot of people with Bad Boy mowers that are all very happy, as well as some one thats been a long time dealer. Ive borrowed one a few times and it worked great.

This is probably the closest comparable model to that and I know of 3 people that have that model and all mow 3-4 acres and love the mower.

https://www.badboymowers.com/bad-boy-shop/zero-turn-mowers/maverick-lawn-mower


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My first comment - the dealer is a very important factor when buying equipment. This guy bringing you one to try on your property is a huge plus. My once-upon-a-time Deere dealer did that for me all the time.

As far as I know Ferris is the only one with true suspension. I wish I could try one out. From the reviews I’ve heard along with Jason’s I think you will be wanting to keep it.
 

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My first comment - the dealer is a very important factor when buying equipment. This guy bringing you one to try on your property is a huge plus. My once-upon-a-time Deere dealer did that for me all the time.

As far as I know Ferris is the only one with true suspension. I wish I could try one out. From the reviews I’ve heard along with Jason’s I think you will be wanting to keep it.
Gravely does now too, but they are higher end models, priced accordingly...well, high. Exmark has a suspension platform thats pretty cool.
 
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I cant comment too much on brand other than to say that if you can afford a commercial model, do it.
Ive got an Exmark Lazer Z HP 52", with suspension seat, and its plenty "suspendy" for me.
To me, if its too rough for a suspension seat, its time to get a heavier roller out.

Were I to get a new one today, and assuming I could afford to, Id go with Deere simply because they have the Mulch On Demand decks, and well, Im partial to Green, lol. Thats a awesome feature if you have landscaping beds. I have a flap on the side of deck where I can block it off easily, but then it blows grass out everywhere around the deck, and if I leave it too long, I get big clumps when I open it.
 

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I cant comment too much on brand other than to say that if you can afford a commercial model, do it.
Ive got an Exmark Lazer Z HP 52", with suspension seat, and its plenty "suspendy" for me.
To me, if its too rough for a suspension seat, its time to get a heavier roller out.
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I have a 20 year-old Gravely Promaster 100 commercial ZTR (bought new) and I will second the recommendation about buying a commercial model. In 20 years I've had to replace one hydraulic hose to a wheel motor and I rebuilt the deck a couple of years ago (about $400 for new sealed spindle bearings and other go-round parts.) I just got off the mower after two hours of mowing and my butt is really sore due to the seat. I was just looking at air ride seats, for about $800 I can probably make one work for my Gravely. This would be a bunch cheaper instead of shelling out $10k for a new ZTR with an air ride seat.

My 4720 Deere cab tractor with the air ride seat has me thoroughly spoiled :thumbup1gif:
 
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I haven't tried the John Deere suspension seat but that is700z they quoted is a sweet machine. I love mine. Tax free and free delivery if you get it from Bruno Powersports in Cabot, Arkansas. I bought mine from Tyler.

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So I have a 1026r with 54" mmm. I'm tired of taking it on and off, along with loader, etc. I'm tired of bouncing around like crazy. I'm tired of half the mower knobs and setup and alignments etc being hard to turn, setup etc. I know adjustments can be made here and there but it's just... Yeah.

So I'm taking myself into getting a zero turn for mowing and leave my mini tractor for tractoring.

I first came here to check out the John Deere zero turns of course, but in my research realized they don't really have any kind of fancy suspension either, which is half my issue.

I saw the popular dieselshadow went from a JD to a Ferris, and saw it had an actual suspension. I've talked to a local dealer and he's putting together a IS600Z to let me bring home and try on my property, and assures me I will be writing a check after that. He's quoting me $5800 before tax right now.

Can anyone give me insight into my choice here? An alternative JD that would be just as good for same or less money? I have 3 acres of yard.
Been there.
Go commercial if you can swing it.
Suspension is nice when/if you need it but it's not worth much if you don't.
Example, it would be nice to have suspension for mowing our horse pasture but completely unnecessary for our lawn.
 

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I have a 20 year-old Gravely Promaster 100 commercial ZTR (bought new) and I will second the recommendation about buying a commercial model. In 20 years I've had to replace one hydraulic hose to a wheel motor and I rebuilt the deck a couple of years ago (about $400 for new sealed spindle bearings and other go-round parts.) I just got off the mower after two hours of mowing and my butt is really sore due to the seat. I was just looking at air ride seats, for about $800 I can probably make one work for my Gravely. This would be a bunch cheaper instead of shelling out $10k for a new ZTR with an air ride seat.

My 4720 Deere cab tractor with the air ride seat has me thoroughly spoiled :thumbup1gif:
It isn't an air seat but this seat (at least the suspension part) is the exact same seat that is the upgrade full suspension seat that is a factory option on the Z9xxM/R.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200268424_200268424

When I bought my Z950R it had the mid grade seat. It wasn't a suspension seat. The dealer really wanted to move it because it was last years model. I was debating on living with a non-yellow seat but this one being $350 (normal price) vs a little over $1000 in parts for the JD one had me leaning that route. In the end I got the dealer to swap out the seat for a full suspension seat and got them to discount it for being last years model. It pays to buy a lawn mower in January when you live in Minnesota. I am also glad I went commercial.
 

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So I have a 1026r with 54" mmm. I'm tired of taking it on and off, along with loader, etc. I'm tired of bouncing around like crazy. I'm tired of half the mower knobs and setup and alignments etc being hard to turn, setup etc. I know adjustments can be made here and there but it's just... Yeah.

So I'm taking myself into getting a zero turn for mowing and leave my mini tractor for tractoring.

I first came here to check out the John Deere zero turns of course, but in my research realized they don't really have any kind of fancy suspension either, which is half my issue.

I saw the popular dieselshadow went from a JD to a Ferris, and saw it had an actual suspension. I've talked to a local dealer and he's putting together a IS600Z to let me bring home and try on my property, and assures me I will be writing a check after that. He's quoting me $5800 before tax right now.

Can anyone give me insight into my choice here? An alternative JD that would be just as good for same or less money? I have 3 acres of yard.
A couple tips for a zero turn. This is not brand specific.

When you have a commercial unit it probably weighs enough to require a ROPS. One thing you really have to watch is trimming around trees. You are typically looking down and cutting close to a tree and if you catch the ROPS on a big enough tree branch it will spin the machine into the trunk of the tree. A tractor has will do this to a point as well but it has front tires that provide lateral support. A Zero turn has casters like a shopping cart. I knew about this and it still bit me once my first time around the yard. Luckily I was going slow. Also low branches love to get hooked in the ROPS even when not close to the trunk. Biggest risk here is they snap around and hit you in the back of the head. If your yard is all flat, then I would fold the ROPS and leave it down. I cut a ditch and a couple steep spots of my yard where I want it up.

As mentioned the front wheels offer no lateral support so learn to crab the machine when mowing across a hill. They have really low center of gravity so they can take a pretty steep side slope.

Be really careful mowing down hills. You are better off backing down a steep grade. You will shift too much weight off the rear tires going forward and you can loose steering and stopping ability. If it is steep enough you will go for a not fun ride. It gets really not fun if you are doing this trying to dodge trees. I have one spot with a retaining wall that is a good 3' drop if I can't make the turn. This gets way worse if there is any dew. I mow my steep sections only later in the day.

Like I said, these things apply to all ZTR in any brand. Well the ROPS stuff probably only applies to the commercial units. The small residential ones don't typically have ROPS because they are much lighter.
 

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It isn't an air seat but this seat (at least the suspension part) is the exact same seat that is the upgrade full suspension seat that is a factory option on the Z9xxM/R.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200268424_200268424

When I bought my Z950R it had the mid grade seat. It wasn't a suspension seat. The dealer really wanted to move it because it was last years model. I was debating on living with a non-yellow seat but this one being $350 (normal price) vs a little over $1000 in parts for the JD one had me leaning that route. In the end I got the dealer to swap out the seat for a full suspension seat and got them to discount it for being last years model. It pays to buy a lawn mower in January when you live in Minnesota. I am also glad I went commercial.
That's a nice seat, thanks for the link! I'm going to grab a tape measure and see if I can make that seat work on my Gravely. :good2:
 
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I have a z445 an with 54” deck and have been very happy with it. I mow around 2 acres, and I roll my yard every year and is very smooth. If I had any more to mow or was rougher I would buy a Ferris. I ran a Ferris for years at my second job and they are very nice and smooth. My buddy has a Ferris and is very happy with it mowing over 3 acres. The reason why I went to the z445 is due to the smooth yard, no rops and price was right and of coarse being a John Deere.
To me Ferris is the one I would buy in a second if I didn’t go with the JD. My 2 cents

Oh and some of them you can fold Rops down if you have a lot of trees.
 
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I have a z445 an with 54” deck and have been very happy with it. I mow around 2 acres, and I roll my yard every year and is very smooth. If I had any more to mow or was rougher I would buy a Ferris. I ran a Ferris for years at my second job and they are very nice and smooth. My buddy has a Ferris and is very happy with it mowing over 3 acres. The reason why I went to the z445 is due to the smooth yard, no rops and price was right and of coarse being a John Deere.
To me Ferris is the one I would buy in a second if I didn’t go with the JD. My 2 cents

Oh and some of them you can fold Rops down if you have a lot of trees.
Yeah, I think I mentioned that the ROPS can be folded but I prefer it up because of my hills and mainly my sketchy spot by the retaining wall. It would hurt going over that. The Z9xx actually has a 3 position ROPS. Up, folded all the way back and a middle position which is the "folded" position for when you run a MCS.
 

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That's a nice seat, thanks for the link! I'm going to grab a tape measure and see if I can make that seat work on my Gravely. :good2:
If it doesn't work or if you want an air suspension option I know some members here have gone with the ZTR Puffer.

https://ztrpuffer.com/

I thought about this option as well. It is a little more than the NT Suspension Seat I linked above but it is air suspension.
 
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If it doesn't work or if you want an air suspension option I know some members here have gone with the ZTR Puffer.

https://ztrpuffer.com/

I thought about this option as well. It is a little more than the NT Suspension Seat I linked above but it is air suspension.
Ding-ding-ding, I think we have a winner :thumbup1gif:

I only have about 18" fore and aft, All of those seats I looked at were 22-23" deep. Northern Tool had just a suspension base that would fit for 450 bucks which I thought was highway robbery. From a quick at the dimensions I think this puffer would fit. My Gravely is so old ZTRPuffer doesn't list my model.

Sorry to derail the thread...
 

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I have a Scag Tiger Cat II with a 61" deck. It has a SUSPENSION seat and rides well.
I looked at a Ferris mower . Very nice. I didn't buy it because I felt to high up on it mowing hills. I didn't like the feel.
The Scag was lower feeling so I didn't feel like it would tip over.

Remember when you get into large commercial mower you will spend 10K or more. Was it worth it? Yes for me. It save me time cutting my grass and did a better job than my old JD lawn tractor.

Scag Tiger Cat II Zero-Turn Rider - Scag Power Equipment
 
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Interesting. My Ferris actually sits lower than my Deere did. It holds hills way better than the Deere ever thought. But it also has a considerably wider track. The suspension just blows away the suspension seat setup I installed on the Deere. It doesn’t quite mow as well as the Deere though.
 

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Interesting. My Ferris actually sits lower than my Deere did. It holds hills way better than the Deere ever thought. But it also has a considerably wider track. The suspension just blows away the suspension seat setup I installed on the Deere. It doesn’t quite mow as well as the Deere though.
You are probably mowing/moving faster with the suspension on the Ferris, slow down a bit.
As you know, mowing/moving speed is directly related to suspension.
 

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You are probably mowing/moving faster with the suspension on the Ferris, slow down a bit.
As you know, mowing/moving speed is directly related to suspension.
Oh yeah, the Ferris will definitely haul butt. It’s still does pretty darn good.



 
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