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Hi all,

My first post on this forum was asking you all to help me build a 2025R. You're input was a big help!

The more I think about it and talk with others, I'm leaning toward a large frame 2R. I like the size difference, prefer the process for the command cut and the electronic auto throttle (adding similar functionality to the 2025R eats up some of the price difference), and the power to run potentially larger implements, including a 15kw generator.

I would welcome your input on a couple of questions/thoughts:

1. Tires - I am planning to mow 3+ hours a week with either tractor. That has me thinking about regular turfs if I go with the large frame, vs radial R3s on the 2025R. My yard is (or at least will be) a nice country yard. Not super fine turf, but not something I want to beat up too bad. How much traction am I losing with the turfs? Will the added weight/size of the large frame give me similar traction between large frame with reg turfs, and the small frame with radials? How tough are R4s really on a yard?

I don't plan to do a lot of dirt work, but will need to dig with the bucket few times a year. The rest will be mulch, gravel, material other materials.

2. I know going above the 25hp adds the regen process. Given that I'm planning to mow for 3 or more hours a week, I think I will run the tractor hot enough and for long enough to support the regen process.

3. 2032 vs 2038. Once you make the decision to jump to the large frame, why or why not move all the way to the 2038R?

There are only a few times a year that I would need the extra power of the large frame, but I really like the size, weight, FEL lift height and capacity, 3pt lift height, command cut, and electronic auto throttle. I could easily get everything done around my place with the 2025. Hell, I could get it done with the 1025. But I think it will be more enjoyable and less strain on me and the tractor with the 32/38. This isn't as much of a need as a want.

One other factor in this decision is that we may buy the 10 wooded acres next to the 5 we already have - and/or we may get a chance to buy a 40 acre place that was owned by my grandfather and by his dad before him. May not, but I don't know too many people that have said, "I bought too much tractor." I know a lot that have said the opposite ;-)

Looking forward to the feedback. Thanks in advance!
 

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I think you'd be happy with the large 2R, comfort, ride and ease of operation are completely different. Fourteen months ago I went from a 2025R to a 2038R, it is a pretty large jump, and should be since it's also quite a step up in price. You'll never regret going bigger, ask me how I know, the same can't be said for going smaller.

I recently did a 200 hr review on my 2038R and also give a little incite in the history of me and how I ended up at the 2038R.
Pat, you're videos and experience have been a HUGE help as I've been considering this purchase. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I won't be using the tractor for farming like you do, but for small property maintenance. The cash price is one thing, but the reality is at zero percent the same 2025R and 2032R is about $100 a month difference. For how much I mow and the other things I want to do, that ride and ease of operation are certainly factors - as much as any "need" for the more power and higher lift capacities.

Again, thanks for videos and taking the time to reply.
 

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I literally just went down this past a couple months ago. We bought 7.5 acres with most of it being field (homesite of 2 acres (with a half acre pond on this as well), an acre of wooded and the rest pasture. I was going to get a 1025 and then talked myself into the 2025. Once i started down that path, I decided on the larger frame. My dealer (Everglades in florida) had a 2038r that had been a demo with 20 hours on it and that saved me a couple grand. I ended up with the 2038r to make sure I didn't end up buying a tractor twice (which seems to happen a lot). Invest a bit more and I think you will end up happy that you did. I went back and forth with the tires and my dealer talked me into the R4's. I think I will end up getting a bit less aggressive of a tire next year since I end up tearing up the grass near the pond due to wetness. I got the command cut 72' belly mower and cant be happier. If you dont have alot of trees to go around, you will be happy you did. With your amount of mowing, regen shouldnt need to be run very much if at all. If you are going full frame 2 series, I personally think the grand or two more is a no brainer. I did it so I dont ever kick myself down the road and wish I had a bought just a little more hp.
Thanks, Cliff. Good info, though it may not be good for my wallet :). I have a few trees to mow around, but not "a lot". How big of a difference do you think it is from 60" - 72"? The 72" deck was one of my early arguments to my wife from this upgrade (currently mowing with 48" X320), as I think I'll save a lot of time on the flatter open areas. A little worried about scalping if I go to 72, but I think I could manage it.
 

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Wow, your thoughts are so similar to mine! I was thinking 1025R for years. Then had 'decided' on the 2025R. But the Command Cut, Loader lift height (and lift capacity improvements with the MSL loader), 3 point lift height, and 72" cut for my 3 acres convinced me the bigger tractor was worth it. I made the decision to go with the larger frame. And since it's not much more for the 2038, I said why not. My thinking was with the amount of mowing that I will do it makes sense to have more PTO HP since a mowing deck is a PTO implement. and the 30 PTO HP would be nice driving that 72" deck.

For tires I was initially set on the R4 tires as it just doesn't 'look' like a tractor with turfs. However, with the option of the Radial turfs, I jumped all over that. I think it's every bit as solid a tire as the R4, plus it is supposed to be more comfortable. As far as traction, I am not sure which has more. In snow/ice, the turf would be better than the R4. In dirt and mud, the R4 would be better as the turf will fill up quick. In grass, the turf will be better. I would look at the Radials, but the additional $800 for that option is a definite chunk. But I think they will hold up better than the regular turfs if you do acquire any of the wooded property you're eyeing. My brother has turfs on his New Holland (same class as 1025R) and he has regretted having the turfs as he gets flats all the time. Though he does a lot of field/woods work and not just mowing.
I was afraid this was the kind of stuff you guys were going to say :ROFLMAO: I agree with your thinking on the 72" deck, though the 60" may be a better fit for my needs.

Are you happy with your choice of the radials? I'm in SW Missouri, so about once a year I MAY need to push some snow. I'm not really worried about snow traction.
 

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I just found out the load and go drive over brackets don’t fit the 60” for the 2038r. My dealer is having to remove the 60” deck and lift to get the 72” since we requested it with the load and go option. They are also waiting until May for the MSL loader to arrive. Waiting is hard but I have been to visit it a couple of times.


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Wait...so they work for the 60" deck on the 1025/2025, and the 72" deck on the 2032/2038, but not the 60" on the large frame? Makes no sense. Load and go seems like an almost must have for blade sharpening and mulch kit install/uninstall.
 

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While I have a Gen 2 2018 2032R, It was the deal I found! This is a no brain-er.

Get the 2038R with,
Radials
220R MSL(will lift almost what a 3R will), HD Bucket-cheaper to add now. SP(single point)
72D MMM
Rear SCV's, Note: advise to NOT add later
3RD function(for future grapple,or now 😁, see note above)
PB for future backhoe, see above.
Fender flairs(have to drop tank to install)
Most importantly REAR BALLAST!! (your choice, HH or BB)
suitcase weights 42/70, depending on your conditions(both)
Extended warranty( for that pesky actuator, and peace of mind,includes dealer pick-up/drop-off)

Now or future purchases:
If needed, fluid filled tires
Backhoe
Full LED kit
Brush guards
Grapple
Forks
Front blower?
Front blade?
Canopy? Lighted???😁 I did!!
Any ground engaging attachments

Have I spent enough of your money???:whistle:

But seriously, The first list will save you the most money, and future headaches, and should set you up VERY well for the future.

Take advantage of the zero percent as much as you can NOW. Add-ons cost a lot more later.
Buy now,cry now. Buy once, cry once.
A LOT of people on here wish they did.

For your land and woods, first list,for me would be a must.

Allen.
Crop!! I KNEW I forgot something.
Add Load-N-go to the first list. Absolute must have!!
I'm with you on most of that list, Jasper. I have no intention of having a backhoe. Simply too much for what you get. Plus, neighbor is the outside sales guy for a used equipment dealer, so getting my hands on a mini-excavator is pretty easy for the one or two times a year I need it.

Also not sure about rear remotes. No snow blower, no angled blade, no log splitter...er, I don't think. I am getting older.

Definitely agree that the Load and Go is a must-have.

I do plan to take advantage of the zero percent...and your comment about the actuator sent me to do a little research. Now I'm nervous about the command cut. Any update on a new version of the actuator? I may start a separate thread asking about that as well.
 

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Went with the 2032. Lots of same rationale, wanted the increased lift height and capacity over the 2025, though it really was the size I was thinking of. 2032 still looks BIG but it's growing on me, and the set of upgrades sold me, even if it does turn out to be overkill: dual rear remotes, eThrottle, split brakes, more PTO HP, 3pt lift height, FEL height and MSL capacity. 32 vs 38? Ehh, went with 2032 as they had one on the lot, but then there was the issue of the radials and they wouldn't swap them, required ordering a new one with radials from the factory. Had I thought about it I might have gone with the 2038, then again I don't have known need for more HP. In the automotive world maybe I'm stuck in the 80s, but prefer not to have a turbo. Lots of folks do, lots of folks have no problems, Deere's been using them for a long time, but if I don't require it I'll stick to a non-turbo. Agree if you don't have my turbo hangups the 32->38 upgrade is the same logic as 1025->2025, you're getting a good amount of bang for $2000 or less upgrade cost. For me 32 HP was already a jump from 25 HP, and pretty sure 25 would do everything I need. As someone said, tractors don't really allow us to do anything new, they allow us to do the same tasks faster and easier. "Beats a shovel" Of course, MOAR is always better 😁 Delivery scheduled for tomorrow!
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She's a beaut!! I'm jealous. Thanks for the great feedback, too.
 

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There is a little more too it than just the 0%. You still have to pay for these extras, but where you really save is on the installation of said items. I had quite a few extras added by my dealer pre-delivery, plus they loaded the rear tires, my total on putting on all the add ons and loading the rear tires was $600+/- a little. They'll do all of the extras for their "dealer setup" charge. If you were to have the dealer add extras down the road it will cost much more to do.
Also, while the 0% is great, I'm not a fan of including implements into the purchase price. Though each one might only be $18-20 each month, I'd rather save up than pay for 72 months on an implement that cost 2-3K. I do have a box blade that is included in my monthly price, but that mistake on my salesman's part, and my fault for not catching it until they were getting close to being done. But you start getting the itch when it's getting close and I asked him to deliver the tractor rather than redo the paperwork.
I agree. I'm not going to go too crazy, and will pay cash for some things, but will roll some into the note (forks, iMatch, possibly a tiller). I will sell my current X320 and use those funds to pay for other toys...er, implements. Also have a loader on a 1959 Ford 841 diesel that I probably won't need any more. Frankly, it's just too much for my little place. But I love that tractor, and and will probably hang on to it.
 

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I don’t have rear remotes and also don’t think I need them. I’d love to have a fully hydraulic rear blade but not only do you have to pay for sets of rear remotes the rear blade will cost more.

I use my forks to pick up my deck instead of Load n Go. Works good for me.
Agree on the remotes. I like the idea of the load and go for maintenance and blade sharpening.
 

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Subscribing for the final outcome!

Good luck with your decision!
Thanks! Quotes coming from the dealer on Monday. Will post the final outcome here.
 

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Update...I'm still chewing on this. I'm not in a rush and want to make the right decision. Here's my latest thinking - I have a quote for the 2038R setup the way I want it. But..I now have quotes for the 3032E and 3038E, plus a new X730 or x750 mower. Crazy thing is...it looks like I can trade my low hour x320 and get the 3038E and X750 for just about the same money as the tricked out 2038R. I can see some logic in having two machines - one dedicated to mowing and one dedicated to "tractoring". I think that will help both of them hold their value better because I'm splitting the hours. Maybe, maybe not. One thing for sure - my wife won't mow with the 2038, but will continue to mow some with the x750. And...I won't have to trim my trees any higher to clear the ROPS!

What do you all think? No, it's not the exact same money, but it's close enough to not be an issue for me.
 
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Well...I finally did it. Monday I brought home this beauty, and I'm pretty stoked about it. Not pictured is a set of forks and an RT3062 tiller that I pick up later this week.

After my last post, I mowed my yard and tried to imagine doing it with a 2R tractor. I honestly think it would take me longer than with my X320 - even with the 72" deck - and certainly wouldn't be as safe. Too many hills, tight spaces, trees, etc... The drop off and wooded hill behind the second pic gives you a sense of the rolling terrain I have to deal with.

When I realized I could get the 3032E and a new X590 for the same money as a 2038R with the deck, it became more appealing to have a tractor for tractor work and a mower for mowing. But, I realized I didn't really need the X590 now. Yes, power steering and EFI would be nice, but not $8k nice. So I decided to spring for the 3038E now and possibly get a new mower later. Another option I'm thinking about is a finish mower for the large flat areas and keep the X320 for the tight spaces. Who knows? I'm happy, wife's happy, ****'s gonna get done around here! I may swing for the X750 that I have NO need for now, but really want.

Thanks for all of your help with my back and forth on all of this! Off to Kenny's website, SawHaul, Craigslist for a beater brush hog...and my wife thought the buying was done ;-). Oh...and I guess off to the LCUT forum as well.

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