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I have heard about the driver license changes over the years, but never really paid much attention to the details as my and my wife's licenses were not due for renewal until 2019. I also knew that ID for boarding an airplane was "going to change" but the actual dates were constantly pushed back. Well the actual date is now October 1, 2020.

Well, my wife's license was due for renewal first, and mine later in the year, so we planned to "understand everything" and renew her license during the
Christmas holiday break this year (like right now).

For New York, here's what we found out:
Standard License: Just for driving, cannot be used for Federal ID purposes like entering a Federal building or boarding a domestic bound airplane after 10/1/2020. Can be renewed by mail/electronically or in person at DMV.

REAL ID License: Driving, CAN be used for entering Federal buildings, CAN be used for boarding a domestic bound airplane after 10/1/2020. As I understand it, you MUST apply in person at DMV, you need to bring proof of citizenship (valid passport, certified birth certificate) and you must bring 2 proof of address. Cost is the same as a standard license and the time spent at DMV.

Enhanced ID License: Same privileges as a REAL ID license, with the addition of CAN be used to enter US from Canada, Mexico and Caribbean by "land or sea", but not by air. This is the same as the current "passport card". Cost is $30 more than standard/REAL ID license, and you must go to DMV. Note that getting a passport card also costs $30 more than just the passport book. (in NY licenses are good for 8 years, and passports are good for 10 years ... not much difference, but a passport card is a better deal but then you have to carry a second card)

Since my wife had to go to DMV anyway, I decided to renew my license at the same time, and I had the time this week because I'm home from work for the holidays. We already have passport cards, and intend (probably) to again get passport cards in the future since our daughter lives in upstate NY and about 45 minutes to the Canadian border. Though if we think we're going to leave the country, we usually plan to take our passports, but when we're visiting daughter, a spur of the moment road trip can sometimes come up. So we decided to both get Enhanced licenses.

We'll probably carry both if we leave the country so if we happen to lose our wallet, we'll have an easier time getting back into US.

So here's what came up just before we went to renew ... Enhanced ID licenses will contain an RFID chip, similar to the passport card. We store our passport cards in RFID protected envelops when not immediately needed. We carry our licenses everywhere we go, and now should we have to worry about scanners stealing the RFID information from our licenses?

I guess we plan to keep our licenses in RFID blocking sleeves in our wallets, but that seems to be a bother, or we're going to buy RFID blocking wallets.

It's a done deal for us, Enhanced licenses are on their way, but I just wanted to get some opinions.

Oh BTW, before you go to DMV, check your state's DMV website to see what you will need to upgrade your license if you decide to do so. We saw one guy wait about 30 minutes to get to the counter, only to be told he didn't have enough "proof" to get the Enhanced license he needed. He'll have to come back and wait again.

And your particular state may be different than New York, so be prepared before you go.

Except for the line at our "normally empty" local DMV office, it was basically a painless procedure. And though I renewed 10 months early, my new expiration month and day did not change, so I didn't lose the time doing it early.

Just my 2 cents. (Sorry for the long post)
 

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I have to renew my license by my birthday in Feb. State DMV sent me a letter that I got just the other day with all of the Real ID info. I have everything I need for my "proof" that I'm real so I'll probably just get one. I don't travel often and have a passport anyway but... That's the way things are going in the long run. Cost is same for regular license or Real ID.
 

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I have heard about the driver license changes over the years, but never really paid much attention to the details as my and my wife's licenses were not due for renewal until 2019. I also knew that ID for boarding an airplane was "going to change" but the actual dates were constantly pushed back. Well the actual date is now October 1, 2020.

Well, my wife's license was due for renewal first, and mine later in the year, so we planned to "understand everything" and renew her license during the
Christmas holiday break this year (like right now).

For New York, here's what we found out:
Standard License: Just for driving, cannot be used for Federal ID purposes like entering a Federal building or boarding a domestic bound airplane after 10/1/2020. Can be renewed by mail/electronically or in person at DMV.

REAL ID License: Driving, CAN be used for entering Federal buildings, CAN be used for boarding a domestic bound airplane after 10/1/2020. As I understand it, you MUST apply in person at DMV, you need to bring proof of citizenship (valid passport, certified birth certificate) and you must bring 2 proof of address. Cost is the same as a standard license and the time spent at DMV.

Enhanced ID License: Same privileges as a REAL ID license, with the addition of CAN be used to enter US from Canada, Mexico and Caribbean by "land or sea", but not by air. This is the same as the current "passport card". Cost is $30 more than standard/REAL ID license, and you must go to DMV. Note that getting a passport card also costs $30 more than just the passport book. (in NY licenses are good for 8 years, and passports are good for 10 years ... not much difference, but a passport card is a better deal but then you have to carry a second card)

Since my wife had to go to DMV anyway, I decided to renew my license at the same time, and I had the time this week because I'm home from work for the holidays. We already have passport cards, and intend (probably) to again get passport cards in the future since our daughter lives in upstate NY and about 45 minutes to the Canadian border. Though if we think we're going to leave the country, we usually plan to take our passports, but when we're visiting daughter, a spur of the moment road trip can sometimes come up. So we decided to both get Enhanced licenses.

We'll probably carry both if we leave the country so if we happen to lose our wallet, we'll have an easier time getting back into US.

So here's what came up just before we went to renew ... Enhanced ID licenses will contain an RFID chip, similar to the passport card. We store our passport cards in RFID protected envelops when not immediately needed. We carry our licenses everywhere we go, and now should we have to worry about scanners stealing the RFID information from our licenses?

I guess we plan to keep our licenses in RFID blocking sleeves in our wallets, but that seems to be a bother, or we're going to buy RFID blocking wallets.

It's a done deal for us, Enhanced licenses are on their way, but I just wanted to get some opinions.

Oh BTW, before you go to DMV, check your state's DMV website to see what you will need to upgrade your license if you decide to do so. We saw one guy wait about 30 minutes to get to the counter, only to be told he didn't have enough "proof" to get the Enhanced license he needed. He'll have to come back and wait again.

And your particular state may be different than New York, so be prepared before you go.

Except for the line at our "normally empty" local DMV office, it was basically a painless procedure. And though I renewed 10 months early, my new expiration month and day did not change, so I didn't lose the time doing it early.

Just my 2 cents. (Sorry for the long post)
Thanks for the post, wasn't really aware of all this.

Sounds like it might be easier to just claim you're an illegal (whoops, undocumented) alien seeking asylum. :mocking:
 

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I thought it kinda strange that NY now needs proof of who I am after issuing me a license for soooooo many years.
It's not that they don't recognize your handsome self, you just have to prove you're a US citizen which you never had to to get a drivers license. You don't need to upgrade to a REAL ID, you can just continue getting a standard license, just that it won't be enough proof of ID. Progress ... I guess.

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I thought it kinda strange that NY now needs proof of who I am after issuing me a license for soooooo many years.
Just another way to get more money from us and invade our privacy.
Agree wholeheartedly with both of you. I went to Mexico and Canada many times and never needed anything more than drivers license, birth certificate and so much money per diem. I'm not paranoid but why this new card that tracks your whereabouts as loyal American citizens?:dunno: It is a revenue source and a way of big brother to keep tabs us. You can't get on a plane without one and I suspect soon you won't be able to vote either without one. I smell a rat here. I was at DMV the other day to help a dyslexic fried fill out forms and it took 1/2 hour for one person to get theirs and several others rejected after waiting just as long and not having all the documentation. DMV sucks and the new ID sucks in my opinion. I value anonymity! :nunu:
 

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This sucks my license is good to 2022 and I paid for that to last that long. Now they say I can't get into a airport with it after 2020 and a federal building wonder if that means a VA Building??? So will they give me my prorated money back to get the new one? Bet they don't and I just lose and Washington State gains again with more rules to follow! They will never stop doing this till you don't even have cash anymore then see what happens when the system is hacked!!

A standard driver’s license or I.D. card costs $54. An enhanced driver’s license or I.D. card will cost $78. All are valid for six years.
In order to obtain an enhanced document, you’ll need documents providing your citizenship, identity, residence and a Social Security number. All documents must be originals or government-certified copies.
Proof of citizenship can be a passport or passport card, a certificate of naturalization or citizenship, or a birth certificate. For identity, a U.S. passport, driver’s license, state-issued I.D. card, U.S. military I.D. or government employee I.D. will work.

To verify your Social Security number, you can bring a Social Security card or a pay stub or W-2 form with your Social Security number visible.
You need two documents to prove residence in Washington state. Those can be a Washington school transcript or report card from a previous or current school year, a bill dated within two months, a Washington voter card, a pay check or stub within two months or several other documents. The full list can be found at WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: Home.
 

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Somebody above mentioned that you didn't have to provide proof of citizenship to get a driver's license - but when I got mine many years ago, my mother had to go with me to the DMV and show them my birth certificate. Shouldn't that have been proof enough???

I got my driver's license renewed back in September - a month overdue from my August birthday. :laugh: It wasn't until I got to the DMV that I found out about all of this, although I'd heard they were going to require it sometime. But I thought that I'd heard that Ohio's licenses already met whatever standard was supposed to be met. I went ahead and renewed mine as "standard" knowing that I'll have to go back at some point and do it all again. I fly enough for work that I'm going to HAVE to do this - or use my passport... which is also expired. :banghead:
 

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I can't WAIT to make my trip to the DMV to have them review my RealID documentation. I'm a citizen but was born in Germany while my father was in the U.S. Army. My birth certificate is not like anything they've probably ever seen as it's just a folded up parchment-like paper from the military hospital in 50's. I can't even get a copy via the government website as if you aren't born in one of the 50 states they have no selection. Back in the 50's when my father was discharged and returned to the U.S. my mother tried to get me a "normal" birth certificate and was told she could get one but it wouldn't be a legal document that could be used anywhere. So they didn't bother.

It's always interesting when you take old documentation places as everyone just assumes you have the same type of papers as everyone else. It's always fun trying to explain to the bobble-head at the window that what you have in your hand **IS** a real birth certificate.

It should be interesting.... stay tuned....
 

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This sucks my license is good to 2022 and I paid for that to last that long. Now they say I can't get into a airport with it after 2020 and a federal building wonder if that means a VA Building??? So will they give me my prorated money back to get the new one? Bet they don't and I just lose and Washington State gains again with more rules to follow! ...

To verify your Social Security number, you can bring a Social Security card or a pay stub or W-2 form with your Social Security number visible.
You need two documents to prove residence in Washington state. Those can be a Washington school transcript or report card from a previous or current school year, a bill dated within two months, a Washington voter card, a pay check or stub within two months or several other documents. The full list can be found at WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: Home.
Yeah, I forgot the part about bring proof of your SS number. I brought my old original SS card that I got when I was probably 9 years old :laugh:

Regarding prorating the fee, NY has a separate area to calculate your fee if you're upgrading your license that has more than 1 year before expiration. Mine was 10 months out so it didn't apply. Basically I didn't lose any money on my early renewal. As for having a standard license and getting into a Federal building or onto a commercial flight, you just have to bring your passport or passport card.

Somebody above mentioned that you didn't have to provide proof of citizenship to get a driver's license - but when I got mine many years ago, my mother had to go with me to the DMV and show them my birth certificate. Shouldn't that have been proof enough???

I got my driver's license renewed back in September - a month overdue from my August birthday. :laugh: It wasn't until I got to the DMV that I found out about all of this, although I'd heard they were going to require it sometime. But I thought that I'd heard that Ohio's licenses already met whatever standard was supposed to be met. I went ahead and renewed mine as "standard" knowing that I'll have to go back at some point and do it all again. I fly enough for work that I'm going to HAVE to do this - or use my passport... which is also expired. :banghead:
Your birth certificate to get your license was probably to prove your age/birthday. There are a lot of non-US citizens that have driver's licenses in the US.

The REAL ID/Enhanced License is only so you don't have to carry a passport/passport card. The gummit is just tightening the ID requirements.

I remember long ago when I had to enter a government secure manufacturing facility, all it took was to sign a statement that you were a citizen, no other proof whatsoever was required. Kinda makes you wonder why I even had to sign anything ... What would they do if I lied?

Just my 2 cents.
 

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If anyone is interested, according to Pennsylvania, a military ID, active, retired, Reserve and National Guard is acceptable as Real ID.

I use my US Army Retired ID card for ID all the time. Most people just look at it and say, "Ya got a drivers license?" My response is always, "It took me 30 years to retire from the Army and 15 minutes to get a driver's license."
 

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Good timing with this thread...

Pa sent us notices about RealID recently. Ours will be available starting March 1st and as has been said needed by Oct 1st to get on a domestic flight or certain Federal buildings.

While I have no plans to fly I figured we might better get this done as one thing in my bucket list is to go out west.

I printed out the fact sheet which had a checklist of what to bring to the DMV. It said you can go in now and have them scan in your documents now so as to miss the rush after March 1st. The closest DMV place is only open on Wednesdays and Thursdays - not our normal days to go to town. But Mrs. C had an appointment last Thursday so we gathered our stuff.

We were both shot down right away.

The check list said original birth certificate. We both have the originals from our respective states. Both are hand written and have the raised seal and say that they are official certificates of birth.

Nope. They want a computer generated one issued from the state’s bureau of vital statistics. They had a sample on the wall and said it needed to look like that.

So now if we want this we each have to pay $30 + $5 for our birth certificates, plus the $30 DMV fee for the RealID. At the time you get it you also have to buy your next driver license which is $34 I think. You get the 3 or 4 years added onto your existing expiration.

I’m going to put more thought into this but doubt we will do it now. Around $100 each. While I would like to go out west to visit I doubt very much I could tolerate the crowds, standing in lines, and being cramped in a seat anyway.

I am more pissed than anything about them not accepting our original birth certificates.

Funny thing is - I went through all this about 8 or 9 years ago when I had to be vetted by Homeland Security to haul mail. And this reminded me - a few years ago, the federal office that stores all this information for Homeland got hacked. So to me in addition to them trying to make our country safe, it is also just another information gathering.
 

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Thanks for the post, wasn't really aware of all this.
Sounds like it might be easier to just claim you're an illegal (whoops, undocumented) alien seeking asylum. :mocking:
I bet we will need these to vote. Rolls Eyes.jpg
 

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I bet we will need these to vote.
I am thinking it will go further also - like for carry permits and stuff like that.

All this stuff just makes me want to crawl further under my rock. The less info I provide them the more I stay under their radar.
 

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I can't WAIT to make my trip to the DMV to have them review my RealID documentation. I'm a citizen but was born in Germany while my father was in the U.S. Army. My birth certificate is not like anything they've probably ever seen as it's just a folded up parchment-like paper from the military hospital in 50's. I can't even get a copy via the government website as if you aren't born in one of the 50 states they have no selection. Back in the 50's when my father was discharged and returned to the U.S. my mother tried to get me a "normal" birth certificate and was told she could get one but it wouldn't be a legal document that could be used anywhere. So they didn't bother.

It's always interesting when you take old documentation places as everyone just assumes you have the same type of papers as everyone else. It's always fun trying to explain to the bobble-head at the window that what you have in your hand **IS** a real birth certificate.

It should be interesting.... stay tuned....
In my post above you will see that at least the office I went to would not accept the parchment hand written certificate with raised seal (also from the 50’s).
 

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... Seems they could just look on line and see who I am?
... The check list said original birth certificate. We both have the originals from our respective states. Both are hand written and have the raised seal and say that they are official certificates of birth.

Nope. They want a computer generated one issued from the state’s bureau of vital statistics. They had a sample on the wall and said it needed to look like that...
Seriously, we talking about the DMV now, aren't we? :lolol:

Just my 2 cents.
 

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MN just started accepting apps for RealID Driver's Licenses earlier this year. From what the rest of you post, the requirements appear to be the same. So I'm going to conclude it is a federal requirement. We have to drive 60 miles, to the nearest location that can accept REALID applications, so I'm hoping we don't require anything else and we have to make another trip. That would not go over well with me.

We have a granddaughter in FL and the bride can only make it about 3 months before she develops a severe case of granddaughter withdrawal DTs. So she flies on regular basis between that and work. I prefer to drive, but it does add a few days and often flying is much less. The plus to driving is I don't catch someone's sickness as I often do when flying sardine class and the upgrade isn't much better.

It should make flying safer for my bride, so I'll minimize my whining about it.
 
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