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Hi All!

Long time lurker, first time poster. I've currently got an LA115, 42" deck and 44" Front Mount Snow Blower. This has done a fine job on our 1/3 acre with large patio and driveway. With that said we just upgraded our home situation to a much larger home with 1.5 acres. The new place is mostly flat, with a moderately large ditch at the end of property along the road, all grass and some larger trees. I have a few question and am looking for recommendations on the route to go.

Primary Uses:
  1. Mowing
  2. Snow removal - This is the big one, we live in Minnesota and will live on a long cul-de-sac with only one other house. I don't foresee us being the first ones plowed
  3. Landscaping - minor bucket work, mulch, compost, etc
  4. Gardening - We currently have a 8x12 raised bed but I'd like to up that game.
The first two obviously take priority, and I know I could get by with an x500 series but I'm starting to think $6-8k is a lot to spend on something that JUST mows and blows snow. I know the cost difference would be 50-100% more but I foresee myself actually using a 3pt hitch and a bucket a fair amount. We have the smallest lot in the neighborhood and everyone else has a Zero turn. I really don't want two machines though and cut quality isn't something I'm terribly concerned with. I don't want it to be trash but I think the SCUTs would be plenty "good enough" for me.

Questions:
  1. What would you do!?!?
  2. How capable are the SCUTs? - My stepdad is a bit of a curmudgeon and thinks anything less than 30hp and 2000lbs is a toy. I want to disagree
  3. Budget is 10-15k depending on the scenario. That 0% interest on the 1 series is tempting.
Thanks for the read and I look forward to getting your thoughts!
 

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Are you looking at new or used? Because a new 1023E with loader and 54" mower is in the ballpark of $16K if you can swing a decent deal with your dealer. Add a couple thousand more for a snow blade or blower setup.
 

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Are you looking at new or used? Because a new 1023E with loader and 54" mower is in the ballpark of $16K if you can swing a decent deal with your dealer. Add a couple thousand more for a snow blade or blower setup.
These deals are what originally got me on the 1 series train. There's a dealer here that does a 1023e with 54" deck, bucket, and ballast box. I'd probably just try and get by with the bucket for the first year but a blade and rear blower seems like a capable combo on quite a few videos I've seen. Ideally I'd like someone else to take the bath on the early depreciation but I'm open to both. There's a dealer here that has a 2305 with a 62" deck and loader for like $11k. That seems like a pretty fair price, although the deck isn't drive over. Not sure how big of a deal that is.

If you want to see what a 1026 can do check out tractor time with Tim on YouTube.

I find loaders are more useful than you can imagine.
I know! That's why I'm thinking I'd use it a TON over an X series. I've seen a few of his videos, they actually look pretty tough and capable.
 

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These deals are what originally got me on the 1 series train. There's a dealer here that does a 1023e with 54" deck, bucket, and ballast box. I'd probably just try and get by with the bucket for the first year but a blade and rear blower seems like a capable combo on quite a few videos I've seen. Ideally I'd like someone else to take the bath on the early depreciation but I'm open to both. There's a dealer here that has a 2305 with a 62" deck and loader for like $11k. That seems like a pretty fair price, although the deck isn't drive over. Not sure how big of a deal that is.
Ok, I think you could find a decent used SCUT well within in your price range. (You may not be able to get financing on some used machines though! And you probably won't get 0% financing on many used machines at all.) As far as your step-father's comments, you aren't going to bale hay or plow the back 40 with a SCUT but they'll beat the heck out of a wheel barrow, shovel, scythe and a lot of sweat every. single. day. :laugh: Let him call it a toy. Toys can be fun to play with! :laugh:

Take a look at machinefinder.com That's what the Deere dealers use to list their used equipment. I'd look at the used 2210, 2305, 1023E, 1025R and 1026R models. You can check to see what is available in your area and get some idea of pricing and then go from there.
 

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Ok, I think you could find a decent used SCUT well within in your price range. (You may not be able to get financing on some used machines though! And you probably won't get 0% financing on many used machines at all.) As far as your step-father's comments, you aren't going to bale hay or plow the back 40 with a SCUT but they'll beat the heck out of a wheel barrow, shovel, scythe and a lot of sweat every. single. day. :laugh: Let him call it a toy. Toys can be fun to play with! :laugh:

Take a look at machinefinder.com That's what the Deere dealers use to list their used equipment. I'd look at the used 2210, 2305, 1023E, 1025R and 1026R models. You can check to see what is available in your area and get some idea of pricing and then go from there.
That's 100% of the draw for a new one. Although the "free" financing would be offset considerably by the substantial increase in price. I've been watching machinefinder and there's actually a few in the area in those model ranges. Thanks for the input!
 

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You can get 0% for 84 months on any utility tractor. Any dealer who says they don’t have that is either lying or ignorant.

What I would get would depend on where you live. How much snow do you get? How much rain? How cold does it get? Is your grass native or do you have to care for it to keep it from dying?
 

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The suggestions to go to MachineFinder and to check out what Tractor Time With Tim talks about on his YouTube site are excellent suggestions. Also go chat up your local JD Deere Dealer. I did and when he realized I was TOO Cheap to buy new he remembered (with a little coaching from Yours Truly) that a former customer was looking to get out from under a JD Contract on a 3 year old 1025r with approx 440 hours. He had a bunch of accessories to throw in for about what your budget is and was mine at the time.
I was warned that some people selling their Tractors with contracts have been know to not pay off the contract with the money you pay them. They just seem absent minded ..not unscrupulous :laugh: , of course. The moral is use your Banking institution to contact JD Finance with you and the seller in the same room. Satisfy that detail (pay off JD F.) then get their sign off on their equity in the tractor and then go home with the tractor. If you do it any other way you face the small detail of taking your new tractor to the dealer and having them say "Why thank for returning OUR missing tractor! Now would you like to buy it from us? " Which has happened several times in the past. Just Sayin' what was told to me....not providing legal advice. :bigthumb:
 

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You can get 0% for 84 months on any utility tractor. Any dealer who says they don’t have that is either lying or ignorant.

What I would get would depend on where you live. How much snow do you get? How much rain? How cold does it get? Is your grass native or do you have to care for it to keep it from dying?
I live in Minnesota, and we get a butt-ton of snow. Fair bit of rain, native grass that won't die without water. The mowing can be done on a smaller machine for sure. As could the snowblowing, but I just can't wrap my head around spending $8-12k on an x590-X700 and not just get a SCUT.
 

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Get a one series and never look back. You know you want it and you will be happy with it. :lol: That's what I did.
 

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i think a 1025R is what you need. Not only because of their capabilities, but their sheer popularity means there will ALWAYS be parts, accessories, etc available.
 

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Sounds like a 1 series is the tractor for you. You’ll appreciate the loader, that I can promise you. I’m still wondering why it took me so long to pull the trigger. Don’t be dumb and wait 4 years like I did...
 

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I live in Minnesota, and we get a butt-ton of snow. Fair bit of rain, native grass that won't die without water. The mowing can be done on a smaller machine for sure. As could the snowblowing, but I just can't wrap my head around spending $8-12k on an x590-X700 and not just get a SCUT.
X700s are not "bang for buck" machines. They are the best in the world at what they do, and you're gonna pay for it. A SCUT is a better value, but I regretted trading my X758 for a 1025R so much that I got rid of the 1025 and got another X758. Because while SCUTs are one of the only machines that can do everything, they aren't good at any of it.

If I were you, with a strict budget of 10-15K, I'd like for a used Gen 1 2025R or something similar. Or finance a new 2025R at 0% and invest the 10-15K. Probably the latter.
 

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I live in Minnesota, and we get a butt-ton of snow. Fair bit of rain, native grass that won't die without water. The mowing can be done on a smaller machine for sure. As could the snowblowing, but I just can't wrap my head around spending $8-12k on an x590-X700 and not just get a SCUT.
Exactly where I was at. I'm on 2.5 acres on a lake in central Minnesota, needed to do a fair amount of dirt moving and landscaping around the yard, and de-brushing about 2 acres of woods with a lot of branches, brush, dead/dying sumacs and a bunch of uncontrollable tangly wild bushes. I don't need to mow - I've had a Z445 for years that does an excellent job. I also have a trusty old LX277AWS that does a great job running a trusty old single stage snowblower. But I needed something that would also pull those crappy trees and bushes out by the roots. I haven't found any tree or brush on the property yet that has been able to stand up to my 1023E and a big logging chain -- that little tractor just rips them right out of the ground. I'm going see how the bucket works for snow this winter and how the tractor does getting around, and if it looks promising, I'm going to go with a snow pusher. The front end loader was a must for me, but I do confess that pallet forks spend more time on that tractor than the bucket does. I don't see that tractor doing well in the snow without ballast. I know that it's really squirrely (and dangerous, even on the flat) with a load of dirt in the bucket.

I don't think I need anything bigger than a SCUT. When looking at 1023E vs 1025R, I just didn't see any advantage for my needs that justified the rather significant extra expense of the 1025R.

 

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I had a JD X585 for 18 years with very few problems. Had a FEL, tiller, snow blower. I just upgraded to a 1025R.

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Exactly where I was at. I'm on 2.5 acres on a lake in central Minnesota, needed to do a fair amount of dirt moving and landscaping around the yard, and de-brushing about 2 acres of woods with a lot of branches, brush, dead/dying sumacs and a bunch of uncontrollable tangly wild bushes. I don't need to mow - I've had a Z445 for years that does an excellent job. I also have a trusty old LX277AWS that does a great job running a trusty old single stage snowblower. But I needed something that would also pull those crappy trees and bushes out by the roots. I haven't found any tree or brush on the property yet that has been able to stand up to my 1023E and a big logging chain -- that little tractor just rips them right out of the ground. I'm going see how the bucket works for snow this winter and how the tractor does getting around, and if it looks promising, I'm going to go with a snow pusher. The front end loader was a must for me, but I do confess that pallet forks spend more time on that tractor than the bucket does. I don't see that tractor doing well in the snow without ballast. I know that it's really squirrely (and dangerous, even on the flat) with a load of dirt in the bucket.

I don't think I need anything bigger than a SCUT. When looking at 1023E vs 1025R, I just didn't see any advantage for my needs that justified the rather significant extra expense of the 1025R.

The two advantages for a 1025R over the 1023E are a Position control 3point Hitch and a Bit More PTO Hp. But if someone is not Going to Be doing a Lot of 3 point work They'll probably be fine with a 1023E:bigthumb:
 

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The two advantages for a 1025R over the 1023E are a Position control 3point Hitch and a Bit More PTO Hp. But if someone is not Going to Be doing a Lot of 3 point work They'll probably be fine with a 1023E:bigthumb:
Yes, I don't use any PTO-driven devices, and I have no need of ground engagement any more sophisticated than a pine straw rake so 3-pt position control is of little use to me. Even if it was, I'd have to look pretty hard at spending the additional $3000 that the 1025R would have cost me over the 1023E. In looking at threads here and on YouTube, especially tiller threads, I've yet to see anyone complain that their 1023E lacked PTO horsepower, or horsepower of any kind, for performing tasks that would be suitable for a SCUT. I know that I've used it extensively for ripping trash trees and stumps out of the ground and have been pretty amazed at that capability. I'm generally one of those guys who tends to buy things with more capability than I actually need, but in this case my tractor needs are pretty simple and with 27 hours on my 1023E, I'm relieved to say that I have had absolutely no regret at saving the $3000.
 

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From the picture you posted, it looks like all the landscaping is already done and upkeep is your concern. If you don’t mind a pull behind cart, then an X series would do fine. If you have any ground engaging tasks to do, get a SCUT. They are anything but toys. Plus the advantage of a loader is you can move the snow where you want to put it instead of pushing it around. I run huge excavators and bulldozers down to small rubber track mini excavators and most times the minis are worth their weight in gold when it comes to getting in tight spaces and not doing too much damage. I’ve had a 1025R for s couple months and have accomplished some serious tasks with it on my new property. It has decent power for its size, and is pretty well built. My goal was to do all the tasks I need with a tractor and once my place was dialed in, then I’d get a riding mower. There’s no way that’s gonna happen after seeing the capabilities of this little guy. It’s staying. It mows as good as any rider and can haul wood, dirt, all kinds of stuff you don’t have to physically pick up by hand. Backsaver at the least. And they have a great warranty


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