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I took a turn down a slope with my new JD X354 (All wheel steering) and I thought I was going to be thrown off. I thought I had bought it. That all wheel steering can be surprising. Now to my question: Why are there no seat belts on lawn and garden tractor?

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Because they do not have a ROPS installed. SO, if it were to roll, you should GTFO as quick as possible. If you were wearing a seatbelt, you would be crushed by the tractor.

Same theory with the S/M/CUTs, if the ROPS is down = no seatbelt. If the ROPS is up = seatbelt.
 

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Probably because there is no ROPS.

A seatbelt keeps your butt locked into the seat. That works in conjunction with there being a ROPS to take the weight of the tractor and provide a cage for the tractor to roll on without crushing you. What happens if you are locked into the seat on a lawn tractor and it rolls? You can't jump off. Your body ends up taking the entire weight of the lawn tractor. Plus, you're pinned upright so all that weight will be on your neck and/or spine.

Even for guys with larger machines that have a ROPS, many will tell you that they wear the seatbelt when the ROPS is up and don't wear it when the ROPS is down. If the ROPS is down they want to be able to jump off and take their chances if it starts to roll.
 

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I took a turn down a slope with my new JD X354 (All wheel steering) and I thought I was going to be thrown off. I thought I had bought it. That all wheel steering can be surprising. Now to my question: Why are there no seat belts on lawn and garden tractor?

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Probably because lawn & garden tractor don't have a roll over protective structure. Otherwise a seatbelt would guarantee that the tractor would crush you.

That's why I'm not crazy about all wheel steer tractors.
 

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What has been said is correct. I had an AWS 425 JD I bought back in '92. After it about killed me 3 times it was time to get rid of it. They aren't good on hills. There are other things I didn't like about it but some people like them. I'm not a fan and would never again have one.
 

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What has been said is correct. I had an AWS 425 JD I bought back in '92. After it about killed me 3 times it was time to get rid of it. They aren't good on hills. There are other things I didn't like about it but some people like them. I'm not a fan and would never again have one.
That's what I figured and I never even drove an AWS. A flat lot with lots of obstacles I'm sure they shine.
Watched a video of a guy plowing with one. Turning around at the end of his push looked easy. However the driveway only had a very slight grade.
 

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If you don't like ZT then most opt for AWS,but like ZT's their good on flat and tough to maneuver on slopes and hills.
 

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If you don't like ZT then most opt for AWS,but like ZT's their good on flat and tough to maneuver on slopes and hills.
Other then trying to kill me, the worse thing was turning. If you are mowing beside a building or fence and need to turn away from it the whole tractor moves against the building or fence making it so you need a chain and another vehicle to pull you away from what you were mowing beside. If the left side of the deck is beside, say a barn and you want to turn right to pull away from it the tractor moves left putting you even tighter against the barn. Straighten the steering out and you have now put the tractor even closer to the barn then it was to begin with. And so it goes having to get chains and a vehicle to pull you away from it. I don't know how many times I've had to do this. The AWS just kept getting me in trouble. I couldn't get used to how the steering operated and I had it for 11 years.
 

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Other then trying to kill me, the worse thing was turning. If you are mowing beside a building or fence and need to turn away from it the whole tractor moves against the building or fence making it so you need a chain and another vehicle to pull you away from what you were mowing beside. If the left side of the deck is beside, say a barn and you want to turn right to pull away from it the tractor moves left putting you even tighter against the barn. Straighten the steering out and you have now put the tractor even closer to the barn then it was to begin with. And so it goes having to get chains and a vehicle to pull you away from it. I don't know how many times I've had to do this. The AWS just kept getting me in trouble. I couldn't get used to how the steering operated and I had it for 11 years.

So I guess that they are only good for trimming around obstacles if you are turning with the tractor. Like driving in a circle around it.

11 years. Wow I'm amazed you made it that long. lol
 

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What has been said is correct. I had an AWS 425 JD I bought back in '92. After it about killed me 3 times it was time to get rid of it. They aren't good on hills. There are other things I didn't like about it but some people like them. I'm not a fan and would never again have one.
On the Zero-turns the front casters wash out when mowing on side slopes and the front heads downhill quick. Your natural reaction is to correct with the handles but that just makes it worse. You have to train your brain to throw both handles in reverse or park until the momentum stops.
One company makes a disc brake that installs on the caster axles so you can keep them from turning. Thinking I want to weld up a foot operate linkage that throws a fork over the caster wheels and locks it straightaway. Almost went through a fence once. And was headed for doom when the mower deck caught on something. Tractor had to pull me out that time. I just stay clear and go slow on side slopes now.
Also found my front tires were over-inflated.

You would think adding some ballast to the front would help. I left my suitcase weight on once and it made it much more dangerous...
 

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On the Zero-turns the front casters wash out when mowing on side slopes and the front heads downhill quick. Your natural reaction is to correct with the handles but that just makes it worse. You have to train your brain to throw both handles in reverse or park until the momentum stops.
One company makes a disc brake that installs on the caster axles so you can keep them from turning. Thinking I want to weld up a foot operate linkage that throws a fork over the caster wheels and locks it straightaway. Almost went through a fence once. And was headed for doom when the mower deck caught on something. Tractor had to pull me out that time. I just stay clear and go slow on side slopes now.
Also found my front tires were over-inflated.

You would think adding some ballast to the front would help. I left my suitcase weight on once and it made it much more dangerous...
You are dead on regarding slopes, if you try to fight control back the ZT will bury you further. happens all the time mowing my ditches. it's a 8-9 pucker factor when cars are coming and the ZT wants to shoot out of the ditch into the road.

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You are dead on regarding slopes, if you try to fight control back the ZT will bury you further. happens all the time mowing my ditches. it's a 8-9 pucker factor when cars are coming and the ZT wants to shoot out of the ditch into the road.

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Sometimes gravity sucks. lol

The older I get the more of an effect it has on me. lol
 

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Sometimes gravity sucks. lol

The older I get the more of an effect it has on me. lol
Yah, it even makes your nose and ear hair grow. Goes from the top of your head to your nose and ears. What's up with that??? :mocking:
 

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I used to have an older Wood's zero turn -- don't remember the model number. On hills, it was a commitment. You were going down hill, and you just needed to figure out how to control it as best you could. I had engine problems with it one weekend, so my brother in-law brought over his Z920. That thing would stick on a dime to any of our hills. I had complete control over it. Needless to say, I then became an owner of a brand new Z920M and I have never looked back.
 

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I used to have an older Wood's zero turn -- don't remember the model number. On hills, it was a commitment. You were going down hill, and you just needed to figure out how to control it as best you could. I had engine problems with it one weekend, so my brother in-law brought over his Z920. That thing would stick on a dime to any of our hills. I had complete control over it. Needless to say, I then became an owner of a brand new Z920M and I have never looked back.
Wonder why the Deere worked so much better?
Well besides the green paint & yellow wheels.
 

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Yah, it even makes your nose and ear hair grow. Goes from the top of your head to your nose and ears. What's up with that??? :mocking:
Not sure but I hope somebody comes up with a cure for it. lol
Guess it got to grow someplace. Maybe gravity keeps it from making the trip all the way up to the top of your head.
 

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here is what i was talking about-
Zero turn caster brake

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Wonder why the Deere worked so much better?
Well besides the green paint & yellow wheels.
Wheel size? Mower weight? Contractor grade vs home grade? The Z900 series is a beast.
 

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here is what i was talking about-

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That looks just like a motorcycle brake system. Kind of elaborate just to keep the front wheels straight. I was thinking something more like a plain metal disc with a notch and pin to engage it. Kind of like a walk behind mower that has front caster wheels. Come to think of it. Every walk behind mower that I ever seen has some way to lock the front caster wheels straight. Why wouldn't this be common on a zero turn mower?
 
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