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You may want to check this chart. That is assuming you have a 2017.

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While the diesel will definitely tow better, I do just fine with my 6.2L gasser towing my 31ft gooseneck tandem dually deckover. GCVW is 29,800#, but I am only licensed for 24,000# which is enough to cover my towing needs when I usually do not gross over 22,000#. Empty combined weight is 14,000#. I do not tow very often. If I did, I would most likely go for the diesel. Maintenance is much more expensive for a diesel as is diesel fuel.

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Not to mention the huge price they charge up front for the diesel I just spent $3,200 for new injectors on my 6.0 diesel. The extra torque is nice on the hills and for fuel economy but you can buy an awful lot of gas for the cost of the D..
 

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I could tow pretty much everything I have with the 6. something gas motor that is standard but I would likely be close to or maxing out it's capacity. I like using only 50-70 percent of the capacity of the diesel. I have close to 200k on the 13 and 220k on the 15 and they both still run great.
I have never worn out a Ford engine since i went 100% synthetic. Ah, take that back I had a 98 Escort that died at 170,000 with a broken crank. Ran fine drove it to work and when i was ready to go home it wouldn't start. That escort was a rental return all my others were purchased new.
 
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That's why they came out with the 7.3L gas, as a step between the diesel and the 6.2L gas.
Delivered one 80 miles away yesterday. 35 mph cross wind, cruise set at 80 mph and I was getting 11.5 mpg.
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I have had several Ford pickups, F150, F250, F350 had them all, my favorite was a 14 Raptor, but I just couldnt make myself tow heavy with it, just seemed "wrong" so I sold it, pocketd a bunch of delta cash and went old school with a seven three... low mileage 2002 under 100K, rides like ****, loud in the cab, slow as a pig, but its a beast. I'll keep this one a long time.
I put the 4" lift and 35s on it.
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I have had several Ford pickups, F150, F250, F350 had them all, my favorite was a 14 Raptor, but I just couldnt make myself tow heavy with it, just seemed "wrong" so I sold it, pocketd a bunch of delta cash and went old school with a seven three... low mileage 2002 under 100K, rides like ****, loud in the cab, slow as a pig, but its a beast. I'll keep this one a long time.
I put the 4" lift and 35s on it.
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I had a 13 Raptor that I loved. But the 5 1/2 bed got old, really the only reason I sold it. Got good money and set me up well for my 17 F250 purchase.
 

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Since I will only buy a Ford truck I figured I would ask this question here -

Adaptive cruise control - something you love or could do without?

My current truck is a ‘15 Lariat F150. My previous truck was an ‘09 FX4 with the luxury package which was basically a Lariat in disguise. I’ve gotten so used to a lot of the creature comforts now that I would not want to be without them.

There is a 2020 Lariat w/502a package on my dealer’s lot right now which is just about exactly how I would want my next truck. Only thing I would do differently is to not have the double sun roof and I would prefer the 2.7l ecoboost which I have now rather than the 3.5l.

This truck has just about every option you can add to a Lariat except one thing - adaptive cruise. This is something I’ve told myself that I would want in my next truck. However I rarely drive on an interstate highway. But I do use the regular cruise once in a while on the long straight flat stretches on the way to town to give my leg a break.

I am tempted to see if I can make a deal since they still have the 0% 72 month financing - maybe it’s 84 months.....

So is the adaptive cruise something I can live without? Never having it or having used it on any vehicle I just don’t know.

This truck is so close to what I would order if ordering from the factory.
 

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Adaptive CC was one thing I also told myself I wanted on the next vehicle. I actually wanted it on the last vehicle but I put it off. I was looking used and the Adaptive CC is what had me looking at Platinum trim level. While it can be found on Lariat, it isn't very common in what I was looking at. While some Platinums don't have it, it is about as common not to find it on a Platinum as it is to find it on a Lariat in my searches.

Now I have had my truck a bit over a month. I honestly haven't driven it all that much. My normal driving is mostly two lane county roads but this is where I want the Adaptive CC the most. It is where I like to give my leg a break as you say yet most people don't use cruise or at least seem and they can't maintain a speed to save their life. Making cruise unusable. At least on the interstate you can easily just go around them.

If you were really bored and looking for a challenge people are adding Adaptive CC to vehicles without it.


It is a bit more work if I recall if you have a 2018+ because that is when it became full stop. Though you may have some of the components if you have the lane keep assist. I didn't look at this that much since I was looking for trucks that came with it.

As for how it works, it is great. The only thing I would say is a possible negative is that if you completely let it do its thing, for instance following a car to a full stop at a stop light or stop sign, it brakes a lot harder and later than I would. So I just hit cancel as we are coming up to a stop. Then hit resume once leaving the intersection. But that is no different than a traditional cruise. Actually what I do when coming to a stop at a stop light (doesn't work the same with a stop sign) is to hit cancel or the brake and as I am approaching the vehicle stopped in front of me and my speed is say 5-10 MPH I release the brake and tap resume. This slowly brings the truck to a stop and holds it there. Once the light turns green and the vehicle in front of me starts going I tap resume again. The truck then follows the vehicle through the intersection and maintains distance.
 

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Adaptive CC was one thing I also told myself I wanted on the next vehicle. I actually wanted it on the last vehicle but I put it off. I was looking used and the Adaptive CC is what had me looking at Platinum trim level. While it can be found on Lariat, it isn't very common in what I was looking at. While some Platinums don't have it, it is about as common not to find it on a Platinum as it is to find it on a Lariat in my searches.

Now I have had my truck a bit over a month. I honestly haven't driven it all that much. My normal driving is mostly two lane county roads but this is where I want the Adaptive CC the most. It is where I like to give my leg a break as you say yet most people don't use cruise or at least seem and they can't maintain a speed to save their life. Making cruise unusable. At least on the interstate you can easily just go around them.

If you were really bored and looking for a challenge people are adding Adaptive CC to vehicles without it.


It is a bit more work if I recall if you have a 2018+ because that is when it became full stop. Though you may have some of the components if you have the lane keep assist. I didn't look at this that much since I was looking for trucks that came with it.

As for how it works, it is great. The only thing I would say is a possible negative is that if you completely let it do its thing, for instance following a car to a full stop at a stop light or stop sign, it brakes a lot harder and later than I would. So I just hit cancel as we are coming up to a stop. Then hit resume once leaving the intersection. But that is no different than a traditional cruise. Actually what I do when coming to a stop at a stop light (doesn't work the same with a stop sign) is to hit cancel or the brake and as I am approaching the vehicle stopped in front of me and my speed is say 5-10 MPH I release the brake and tap resume. This slowly brings the truck to a stop and holds it there. Once the light turns green and the vehicle in front of me starts going I tap resume again. The truck then follows the vehicle through the intersection and maintains distance.
Thanks for that - I really needed to know how it works in situations just like you describe.

I also primarily drive 2 lane 55 mph roads here in a very rural area.

With my RA it helps so much if I can move my right leg some even if for only a couple minutes at a time.

Looks like something I could live without however if the deal was really good - that’s what I am trying to determine.
 

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Thanks for that - I really needed to know how it works in situations just like you describe.

I also primarily drive 2 lane 55 mph roads here in a very rural area.

With my RA it helps so much if I can move my right leg some even if for only a couple minutes at a time.

Looks like something I could live without however if the deal was really good - that’s what I am trying to determine.
You don't have it now so it is no different than what you have today. If you had it today and the new truck didn't have it, then it would be a harder decision. I can say that this truck has so much tech in it that as I move forward it would be hard to step back. We just got home and the auto high beams, adaptive CC and other stuff will be harder to live without later on. Just like the push button start or more so the keyless entry. My last car had it and I wasn't considering anything without it. I am sure the other stuff will all fall in that bucket from now on.

If it is very rural it might not be a big deal not having it. While it is a rural county road that is my commute, it should be mentioned that suburbia is growing up around it. I don't have much if any traffic in the mornings when I went in but it was also 5AM. On the way home the traffic is frustrating. Too much to pass. It is small rolling hills, enough so there are only a couple passing zones and it is frustrating when people are bouncing back and forth between 50-60 as you can't use traditional cruise.
 

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I skipped the adaptive cruise control do to price when I bought my 2020 Tremor. It’s just a Xlt premium and it stickerEd at $ 63,000 . i kinda wanted to get the tremor lariat sport, but that would have put the sticker close to the platinum which was 70ish .

i traded in a 16 f250 xlt premium in on this 2020 F350 xlt premium. The 2020 seems a lot nicer than the 16. I’m not sure how long I’ll keep this truck. I may trade it in on 23 or 24 and I will probably step down to a xl, stx and I’m probably going to get a smaller cab , I really don’t need the crew cab .
 

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I don't have it on my truck and rarely would use it as I don't drive that far and very little two lane highway. I have it on my Mustang and haven't used it enough to figure it out. When it kicks in, it just feels weird. Not used to it would be my guess.

I would definitely do without the sunroof. Three years and have never opened it, might have rolled the shade back once or twice.
 

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I really don’t need the crew cab .
I feel the same. I insisted on a crew cab 2 trucks ago and have loved it since. However I really don’t need it - in the past 11 years not one person has been in the back seat.

What happens now I am missing a bigger bed at times.

My last super cab was a 2006. My truck is primarily a grocery getter anymore and I just couldn’t stand the rear doors. Open the front door - open the rear door only to be blocked by it loading stuff.

From what I understand the rear doors on the super cabs fold all the way back now. I’d have to really investigate to see if I could live with it.

I would definitely do without the sunroof. Three years and have never opened it, might have rolled the shade back once or twice.
I got lucky when I bought my present truck used a couple years ago. It seems a Lariat without a sun roof is a rarity around here but mine doesn’t have one. My last truck had one and the sun shade was closed the entire time I owned it.

The truck I bought was special ordered by someone - is setup just the way I would have if ordering. I’ve never seen a Lariat on the lot without the double sun roof now.

Also I’ve never seen a Lariat with a super cab - they are all crew cabs.

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I ran the numbers - I won’t be buying a new truck for a couple years. We are just starting on some major house remodeling projects. Will see how we are after a couple years.

Actually I love my truck now - ‘15 Larait crew cab with the 2.7l. The only thing I sorely would like is a heated steering wheel. 6-8 months of the year I have to wear a lair of cotton gloves in the morning for the first 15-20 minutes because or my arthritic hands.
 

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Lariat is the top trim level that you can get a Super Cab. They are just not very common. All Platinum and Limited trims are Crew Cab.

I agree that finding a Lariat without a sunroof is also rare. The more I have been reading about the sunroofs in these I am a bit dissapointed in how fragile they are. Basically plastic tracks that break.

We have two kids so crew cab is an easy decision. But even if I didn't I would probably go crew cab anyhow. It partly depends though on what you are coming from like most things. This replaced our SUV and that back seat area holds a ton of stuff. There are times you want to transport things where you don't want them getting wet, blown out or sliding around a bed. For instance on grocery runs or runs to the store, I more often than not put everything in the back seat area of the crew cab. I do have a hard trifold bed cover. This isn't to say that the bed never gets used. In fact we use it quite often. Just not for groceries and smaller things.

I have never been a fan of the smaller cabs with the suicide doors. Like mentioned unless the spot next to you is clear you can get trapped in there and are constantly opening and closing the door to get stuff out of a cart.
 
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I own a Supercab and like it. People do ride back there but not often. It works well for hauling groceries and other stuff back there plus you get a 6.5 foot bed. In theory you can get a 8 foot bed but they aren’t common.

I’m not 100% sure but at one time you could get a sunroof on a supercab but not anymore.
 

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Adaptive cruise is something that can be somewhat useful but overall is more of a pain than not. If you do a lot of highway driving on 2-lane roads you might find it nice. Helps hold your distance behind the person in front. But if you drive multi-lane roads you may really begin to dislike it. It can detect a car in another lane sometimes. Worse, if you have it on and you are overtaking a vehicle while you're in the right lane you have to get over WAY early in order to pass normally. Otherwise it kicks in and slows you down. In normal driving you'd just get fairly close while cruise is on and then pull in the left lane to pass at normal cruising speed. Adaptive cruise makes you drive in the left lane a lot longer and I'm not someone who likes to be there any longer than required so I don't impede anyone else that may be overtaking me.

The cruise can also sometimes detect 'problems' that aren't there, like approaching someone in a turn lane slowing ahead of you at a curve. It thinks the vehicle is in your lane. I've had it start the beeping of "impending emergency braking" before for that situation.

If you're going to buy a vehicle that has adaptive cruise make sure it is easy to switch off as you're driving (versus having to be parked and go into deep system menus).

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There is a crew cab with the 6.5’ bed at my dealer which peaked my interest also. It’s gray (Magnetic) and is an XLT and is nicely equipped with the 302a package, 36 gal tank, 3:55 electronic locking rear, etc.I had a gray truck once before - just love the color but it was almost as bad as having a black truck to me.

Also it has all painted to match front end which would look like hell after the first winter around here. I prefer that look also but lived with stone chips for 9 year. The Chrome (plastic) stands up much better to the anti slid they use around here.

In the end I thought about if I could live with an XLT after owning a Lariat. But as it has been said already in the thread, once you have something it would be hard to do without.

Automatic climate control
Heated and cooled seats
Power folding mirrors (I have to fold my mirrors every time to get into my barn)
Leather seating
The bigger productivity dash

I guess I could find more. Could I live with an XLT or lower? Certainly! But do I want to.....?
 

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Adaptive cruise is something that can be somewhat useful but overall is more of a pain than not. If you do a lot of highway driving on 2-lane roads you might find it nice. Helps hold your distance behind the person in front. But if you drive multi-lane roads you may really begin to dislike it. It can detect a car in another lane sometimes. Worse, if you have it on and you are overtaking a vehicle while you're in the right lane you have to get over WAY early in order to pass normally. Otherwise it kicks in and slows you down. In normal driving you'd just get fairly close while cruise is on and then pull in the left lane to pass at normal cruising speed. Adaptive cruise makes you drive in the left lane a lot longer and I'm not someone who likes to be there any longer than required so I don't impede anyone else that may be overtaking me.

The cruise can also sometimes detect 'problems' that aren't there, like approaching someone in a turn lane slowing ahead of you at a curve. It thinks the vehicle is in your lane. I've had it start the beeping of "impending emergency braking" before for that situation.

If you're going to buy a vehicle that has adaptive cruise make sure it is easy to switch off as you're driving (versus having to be parked and go into deep system menus).

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Good info - thanks!

Even the interstate around here is nothing but hills and bends. I can see what you say happening - it seeing a vehicle ahead that is in another lane in a bend and thinking it is in your lane. Same setup on the 2 lane roads - all hills and bends.
 

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I have a super duty, which are packaged a little different than the 150. I have the xlt premium . I have the power folding mirrors that I think is a must have. I also have heated seats that I could do without. Drivers seat is power, passengers is not. I have the center console which was like a $300 option. I have just about every option available on the xlt . I really like the ultimate camera package but find I don’t use the navigation at all. I used it once to see how it works and haven’t used it since. The trail control is nice when driving on back roads looking for wildlife. It’s just slow speed cruise control works Dow to .5 mph.

when I bought my truck went to Fords site and built the exact truck I wanted and then searched for a truck that was close to what I wanted . Ended up finding that the dealership closest to me had almost the exact truck that I would have ordered In transit. I ended up with a F350 instead of A F250. Which really doesnt matter as with the tremor package they are the same truck. The 250 is just derated to 10,000lbs while the 350 is rated at 11,300.

Dont be afraid to walk out of the dealership if you don’t think your getting a fare price. Do some research it’s pretty easy to find out what your trade in is worth. I went to the dealership the day this truck came in and was ready to be test driven. They refused to come off the sticker at all and told me some else was interested in the truck. I went home without the truck and had every intention of taking a power wagon for a ride and see what another ford dealership could do on pricing. Well a day or two later I get an e-mail asking how I felt about my experience at the dealership. I wasn’t going to respond,but I did a day later stating what I was will to pay for the new truck and what I wanted for my truck. It was the same price I offered them after the test drive. But this time they excepted my offer. Maybe the other person backed out .But the funny thing was the truck had 54 miles on it when I brought it back after my test drive. It had 56 miles on it when I picked it up almost a week later .So nobody else took it for a ride.
 

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Ford does caution that while in a bend like on an interstate that the radar can possibly pick up on a vehicle in the other lane. I don't have too many miles on the truck, a couple hundred, but I haven't had this happen. The closest I would say I have seen is if I am in the right lane and a vehicle is entering the interstate as I shift over to the left lane. I might not be fully over as they are merging in and not up to speed but because I have the following distance set pretty far out and the truck will see them coming into what was my lane as I am leaving it and apply the brakes. Then it figures out that I changed lanes and there isn't anyone in front of me so it picks up speed again. I don't think it has ever picked up a vehicle in the neighboring lane in a corner but maybe I haven't encountered the perfect storm for that to happen. I would imagine it would need to be a fairly tight turn. On two lane back roads this can't happen. It won't detect an on coming car like that in a bend thinking you are on a collision course. I think the radar is favored a bit to the forward and to the right more than left to prevent this.

I drove in the dark for the fist time the other day and it seemed to do a good job with the auto high beams. It puts out a ton of light but I am running in bambi mode so when the highs are on so are the lows and driving lights. All are LED. Easily way more light output than the LED lights on my Subaru. That will be nice in the winter if we start going back into the office. It is dark when I am on the way in and on the way home in the winter.
 
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