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Slow loader on new 4066R

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Hello All. I'll get right to the point: The loader on my new 4066R slows down to a crawl when I simultaneously lift and curl the bucket down. (Joystick back and to the right). All other combination movements are definitely somewhat faster. Also I have to finesse the joystick just right to get these dual movements. VERY irritating, inefficient, and it's hard to imagine this is how it is designed? My dealer sent a tech out who shrugged and said that's how they all are. Really??
Thanks for taking the time if you do. Sincerely appreciated.
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Do you have your lockout lever in the correct position? If you hit it with your right knee it can lockout the quick dump feature. Little steel lever in the side of the panel below the joystick

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Sorry to have to tell you, but the 4 series does not have the capability to independently curl/dump or lift/drop.

Dave
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What RPM's are you running at?
Sorry to have to tell you, but the 4 series does not have the capability to independently curl/dump or lift/drop.

Dave
Really....my 3720 does it.
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Sure does, takes finesse but it's not a big deal. Im assuming youre using it faster than idle?

Keep in mind lift and dump will be slower as lifting automatically curls the bucket back. Now you have to counteract that motion as well. I'm assuming you have an nsl loader?
Thank you very much to everyone that's taken the time to reply. I really appreciate it. I'll try to respond somewhat succinctly:
Lockout lever: Yep, tried that. Unfortunately that was not the problem.
Independent lift/curl: The 4 series does have the capability to independently curl/dump or lift/drop. It's in one of the manuals as well as in various videos. And mine does as well. . . just not as effectively/efficiently/quickly as I would have thought.
RPM's: Yep, I crank it up into the 1500 range, or more. This helps of course but its still finicky and slow doing dual movements IMO.
The majority of my experience has been in numerous excavators (the smallest being a Bobcat E42), all of which I've found to be vastly more nimble, quick and responsive to the movements of the joystick. I guess I was expecting that kind of experience with the loader on the 4066R. No doubt I can learn to finesse the joystick as needed and become more efficient over time . . . I'll just have to have a little more patience waiting for the bucket to catch up on certain movements. Apparently its a virtue . . .
NSL loader: (I admit I had to Google that acronym!). Yep, I have an NSL loader.
Thanks again to everyone who's jumped in. Appreciated. Perhaps there's nothing wrong with it at all and it's just as the dealer's mechanic said, "that's how they all are".
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Unfortunately it's not as good as commercial unit as far as that goes. They do have improvements to do with it, but then again it's not intended to be a full on loader. I agree it could be better but price would probably reflect as well. Try even more rpm. The pumps don't have a ton of gpm to them.
Thanks @Puckgrinder85. Yes, I agree with all of that.
Well, I checked my manual and it does specify a capability of raising and curling at the same time, but good luck in finding that "sweet" spot. I have only rarely been able to do that and it slows it down considerably as it is splitting the flow. Loader controls are my only complaint with my 4066R. I even had the upgrade done by the dealer, which cost me nearly $400. The dump movement usually requires both hands as that is an unusual movement of the arm. My neighbors Kubota has it all over my 4066R for loader operation. My understanding is that the Euro versions have a much better loader control.

Dave
Hey @ddinham, thanks for diving in and (unfortunately) validating my experience with the 4066R loader. What $400 upgrade did you have done at the dealer? Did it help??
It was supposed to help with the curl/dump function, but it was a waste. You may not have noticed yet that it is difficult to use your bucket to pull yourself out of a mud hole and that was supposed to fix it. Don't bother.

Dave
Well, I checked my manual and it does specify a capability of raising and curling at the same time, but good luck in finding that "sweet" spot. I have only rarely been able to do that and it slows it down considerably as it is splitting the flow. Loader controls are my only complaint with my 4066R. I even had the upgrade done by the dealer, which cost me nearly $400. The dump movement usually requires both hands as that is an unusual movement of the arm. My neighbors Kubota has it all over my 4066R for loader operation. My understanding is that the Euro versions have a much better loader control.

Dave
I will have to disappoint you it really is not better in Europe. When we got our 4R I thought something was wrong with the loader because we had 3R and its loader was operating much faster and 2 functions at once were actually doable. Now with how slow responding 4R loader is 2 functions at once are basically impossible. But Euro models are equipped with additional hydraulic backflow stop. Therefore float is basically useless. Now it got me thinking wheter that stop might be also limiting flow somewhat.
Really....my 3720 does it.
yeah you are right. it has to be featherd. and that is the condiotion what this guy is experiencing. sorr bud but thats the nature of all these compacy john deere tractors.
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I will have to disappoint you it really is not better in Europe. When we got our 4R I thought something was wrong with the loader because we had 3R and its loader was operating much faster and 2 functions at once were actually doable. Now with how slow responding 4R loader is 2 functions at once are basically impossible. But Euro models are equipped with additional hydraulic backflow stop. Therefore float is basically useless. Now it got me thinking wheter that stop might be also limiting flow somewhat.
Post #11 at Letter to Deere, Give The 3R ________ is what I was referring to. It shows an electronic joystick that I assumed was the Euro model, but in rechecking it, I note it only says it is for sale outside the US. So I don't know where it is available. The 4 series needs that bad.

Dave
I’ll add a little to the thread. I owned a Kubota BX for 10 years and doing multiple functions is much easier on them but lije the JD, doing two at once really slows it down, maybe worse than my JD. I can do two functions on my 2025r. The two most common ones for me would be lift and curl and lift and dump. I think on mine the lift and curl is easier than lift and dump. The lift and dump is almost impossible.

The speed of the actions? What really bugged me about the Kubota I owned was the small loader bucket and how slow the loader was doing light materials, like snow removal. I’m not sure my JD isn’t faster and it might actually be quicker to just do one function at a time, like lift a little, curl a little and so on.
"The lift and dump is almost impossible." Yes, unfortunately this is pretty much the entire point of my original post. I was hoping you all might have better news for me!
I’ll add a little to the thread. I owned a Kubota BX for 10 years and doing multiple functions is much easier on them but lije the JD, doing two at once really slows it down, maybe worse than my JD. I can do two functions on my 2025r. The two most common ones for me would be lift and curl and lift and dump. I think on mine the lift and curl is easier than lift and dump. The lift and dump is almost impossible.

The speed of the actions? What really bugged me about the Kubota I owned was the small loader bucket and how slow the loader was doing light materials, like snow removal. I’m not sure my JD isn’t faster and it might actually be quicker to just do one function at a time, like lift a little, curl a little and so on.
Those few times I found the "sweet spot", it was definitely slower. I have not even tried to find it again for several years. It just takes too long to fiddle around looking for it. By the time I find it, I could already be done and gone.

Dave
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Those few times I found the "sweet spot", it was definitely slower. I have not even tried to find it again for several years. It just takes too long to fiddle around looking for it. By the time I find it, I could already be done and gone.
Wait . . . are we still talking about tractors . . . ?
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Stay classy GTT 😬
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