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Struggling With 54" Deck On 4110. Really Poor Performance.

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Hi all,
So the 4110 is a great little tractor but the 54" deck leaves a lot to be desired.
If I try to mow anything that is a little taller than your mowed lawn or pretty green the deck just clogs up.
One issue is very poor discharge of clippings. At times it is pretty much non-existent. Like there is a mulch plug or something.
You can hear the clumping grass slam around and thump in/under the deck but it doesn't discharge. You mostly get a trail of wet soupy grass that looks like a kale shake straight from the blender!
The discharge chute is perfectly clear also so it is not clogging like in the traditional sense at the chute.
The deck is in very good condition and I have cleaned the underside and replaced the blades with the JD blade from the parts diagram for this deck. Same blade was on it.
Part Number M115496 Description - Mower Blade - Cut Performance Blade for¬ 54 In. Mower. Does not look like a mulching blade.

I suspect the blade is one issue. I am working on leveling and when you mow a kept up area the cut looks good.
My X585 with 54C deck will mow circles around this one in heavier grass. I run G6 Gators on it.

Should I start by going to a different blade? I do not want any mulching, just good lift/cut and discharge!

Thanks for any advice.
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No. I gave it a few runs when I got the machine but it was just around my yard. It was noisy, blades scuffing on the grass build-up.
Then this spring I pulled the deck. Replaced various lift turnbuckles and linkages that were bent.
Flipped the deck and it was completely packed with grass mulch. The blades actually had cut their own circular path in the crap.
Cleaned the whole thing and replaced the blades, which are in decent shape.
Worked on leveling and gave it a few runs on one area that is mowed and a couple acres.
It mowed ok but I noticed the discharge was almost non-existent. Acting like a mulcher.
Next went to mow a field that had light grass growth. Had been about 2-3 weeks since I mowed it with the finish mower.
My 6 foot finish mower mows with no issue so thought this one would do ok. Also, my 755 with 60" and my X585 with 54C deck both can mow it without issue set at a 3 inch cut height.
The 4110 almost immediately started to bog down, light black smoke, and you could hear the grass thumping and banging around in the deck and no discharge. Chute is clear.
I mowed for a while trying to figure out what was going on and what I was doing wrong. Gave up.

Came back and pulled the deck and it was packed with mulched grass. And I mean gooey grass pulp!
My X585 will eat this same field up and discharge nicely.

My assumption at this point is the blades just don't work well for anything more than a "mowed" yard. I also wonder if they are really more designed as a "mulching style" blade.
They are the stock JD blade per the parts diagram.
Still working on leveling but it's pretty good.

This is what it looks like after a little mowing. Pretty frustrating at this point. I got this one to do heavier mowing chores.

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Were the blades on upside down perhaps?
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Were the blades on upside down perhaps?
Nope, double checked the originals and made sure when replacing. I will certainly check again next time I pull the deck.
How low is your mower set?

And are your running your mower at 540 rpm?

In your photo, that build up in your deck is not from a recent mow. It's been there for a while.

Standard blades shouldn't be mulching the grass.

Also have you tried raising the grass chute while its running?

Not trying to offend, just trying to troubleshoot.
How low is your mower set?

And are your running your mower at 540 rpm?

In your photo, that build up in your deck is not from a recent mow. It's been there for a while.

Standard blades shouldn't be mulching the grass.

Also have you tried raising the grass chute while its running?

Not trying to offend, just trying to troubleshoot.
No problem, here are answers!

How low is your mower set?
Not at all other than winter. Purchased last fall from original owner who only mowed his yard with it.

And are your running your mower at 540 rpm?
Run it at the mark for 540 on the tach which should also be 2100 for the mid PTO.

In your photo, that build up in your deck is not from a recent mow. It's been there for a while.
That build up has been there about an hour. I cleaned all the crap from the underside (described above) which took an hour it was so built up. The metal was scrapped clean and wire brush then air blow out. That picture is from less than an hour mow on a normally mowed area with about a week and a half growth. Cut height about 2 3/4 inches. It illustrates the issue I am having.

Standard blades shouldn't be mulching the grass.
Agreed, I bought new blades from Deere. Part Number M115496 and they are the same as what was on it. Picture above is after blade install.

Also have you tried raising the grass chute while its running?
Yes, and by doing that I can see that it is clear. Normally when the deck is clogging up you expect the chute to be clogging but on this one it is clear.
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Ok, is it possible that the previous owner had a mulching kit on it, and didn't remove the mulching baffles that surround the blades?

That would tend to keep the cut grass in the deck and stop it from being thrown out after being cut.

Maybe you could treat the deck with some type of Teflon coating that would help keep the grass from building up.
Ok, is it possible that the previous owner had a mulching kit on it, and didn't remove the mulching baffles that surround the blades?

That would tend to keep the cut grass in the deck and stop it from being thrown out after being cut.

Maybe you could treat the deck with some type of Teflon coating that would help keep the grass from building up.
Underside looks like it has the anti-blowout kit but that is it. Can be seen in the picture.
I may remove it next time I have the deck off and see what happens.
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That deck looks fairly shallow so it makes sense that it can't expel all the clippings. It also looks like you might be cutting in damp or muddy soil. That certainly doesn't look like thick green grass to me.
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That deck looks fairly shallow so it makes sense that it can't expel all the clippings. It also looks like you might be cutting in damp or muddy soil. That certainly doesn't look like thick green grass to me.
Deck measures pretty much the same as the 54C deck and the 60" deck and is very similar in design to the 60" I run on another tractor. I don't discount it may be a poor design but I get almost no discharge. It acts like it is in full mulch mode!
The X585 W/54C deck handles the heavier field stuff with ease but this one gets clogged up and drags the engine down almost immediately.
Ground was dry. "grasses" were typical springtime. Green and moist. The picture was a few days after my testing and was the result of just regular mowing for less than an hour. This one isn't capable of mowing anything more than the lawn.
I think a different blade is one place to start.

It's just odd I get little to no discharge and this I think is a clue and the cause of the issues. Everything seems to point at it trying to be a mulcher.
I don't know if the blow-out kit would contribute to these issues.
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At this point, I would try and do a comparison between the two decks. If there both decks are 54 inch decks, and both are about the same depth, then something must be different. Are the mower blades the same on both decks?

Do both decks have the blow out kit?

If only one has it, then try removing it.
I'd remove that skirt around the bottom of the deck. Sounds like it is starving for air to move the clippings out.
At this point, I would try and do a comparison between the two decks. If there both decks are 54 inch decks, and both are about the same depth, then something must be different. Are the mower blades the same on both decks?

Do both decks have the blow out kit?

If only one has it, then try removing it.
Mower blades are different at this point and seems to be the only obvious thing. Ordered some Gators for this one to see what happens.
The JD blades and listed as medium lift so that probably doesn't help. I think they are geared more toward mulching even though they don't look like a traditional mulching blade.
Only this one has the blow-out kit. Never installed it on my other deck. May not do it now!

Removing it will be next after new blades.
I'd remove that skirt around the bottom of the deck. Sounds like it is starving for air to move the clippings out.
If you meant the flat areas at the rear of the deck, that can't be removed as it is part of the deck.
I was running at about a 3 inch cut height so not right on the ground.
The front blow-out kit can though and will be next after testing new/different blades.
Another thought would possibly be a slipping pto clutch? Regardless of engine rpm a slipping clutch would cause low blade speed. If you had a photo tachometer you could check the deck driveshaft rotational speed at the pto setting which should be ~ 2000 RPM.

Does the deck have a model & serial number tag on it? We could check compatibility. There's a slim possibility it might not be the correct application for your 4100. Any chance the blades are turning in the wrong direction?
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Another thought would possibly be a slipping pto clutch? Regardless of engine rpm a slipping clutch would cause low blade speed. If you had a photo tachometer you could check the deck driveshaft rotational speed at the pto setting which should be ~ 2000 RPM.

Does the deck have a model & serial number tag on it? We could check compatibility. There's a slim possibility it might not be the correct application for your 4100. Any chance the blades are turning in the wrong direction?
PTO idea is interesting. Nothing indicates it's not working correctly but certainly is a possibility.
I can get the numbers off the deck. Seems like the decks for this one don't fit anything else. Been looking for a 60" and no luck.
Going to recheck everything is spinning ok.
When I use it to do a weekly mowing on the yard it does ok but you'd think this this thing could handle a little more than just the weekly mowing of the Bermuda!
Thanks everyone for all the good ideas on this .

New blades ordered, non JD, so we'll see if they make any difference.
I'll also review general operation. for anything out of place.
At this point I'd check
Blade size.
All belt routing and or slippage.
Spindle bearings.
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At this point I'd check
Blade size.
All belt routing and or slippage.
Spindle bearings.
Blades are what JD parts book calls for and have been replaced with new ones.

Bearings are ok. No noticeable slop or binding on spindles when checked. Deck runs quite.

Am going to verify belt routing etc.
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