Don't get me wrong, if the opportunity presented itself to get the Artillian's at a reasonable price, I'd likely be all over it, but ordering from Curtis/Artillian after factoring in shipping and Artillian Premium (which is justifiable) it's just not the right value for me.I bought Artillians from Chris at his house. I live close so free shipping. My #1 consideration was weight and I will say I have maxed out lifting ability of the tractor countless times, probably in the hundreds, so if moving a lot of weight is in your future then you should seriously consider starting out weight. With all the options the Artillian frame sold me and I can say it will take whatever you try and make it do. Fork length is up to you.