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Maybe my search foo is off today but while I found several of threads on tooth bars I haven't found one that answers my question. Most threads discuss the bar's ability to break through hard soil, which I understand is the primary reason for a tooth bar, but initially at least I plan to use it for brush removal (honeysuckle, raspberries, wild roses, etc.) and maybe some small <2" diameter saplings. The Piranha bar looks like it would be good for shearing these guys off at ground level or just below while the Heavy Hitch looks like it would be good for getting under and ripping out the roots as well. Ultimately I plan to get a root grapple but until Deere makes the 3rd mid SCV kit available for the 1 series I'll be using the bucket.

Any chance I can get some feedback from folks who've used their tooth bars for brush removal, which bar they have and how well it worked?

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I have the Piranha bar on my bucket and it shears through very few plants. In most cases it causes the plants to bend over, the teeth cut in to the stem length-wise and it ends up ripping up the entire plant by it's roots.
 

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Something else to consider is a Ratchet Rake. They are designed to strap on a bucket cutting edge.
 
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I agree 100% with Jim. I have the Piranha bar and it does a good job clearing brush and plants. I was going to buy the Heavy Hitch toothbar but if I recall the wait was 3 or more weeks when the P toothbar was ready in a few days.

I have dug out a few stumps 4-10” diameter and it took awhile but got the job done. I do believe the HH toothbar would have been faster doing the same job. All depends on how much digging you will need to do.
 

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I’ve cleared about 2 acres of brush like you are talking about. I have just a standard welded toothbar - no such thing as Pirhanna, bolt on hooks, etc back in my time....

Mine looks like this -

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What I did was get my bucket edge down about 2” below grade at a perpendicular angle - then just go. All that brush, jagger bushes, and saplings came right up by the roots. I had my brush hog running on the back which chopped everything up. Of course it took subsequent passes with the brush hog and hauling away the debris but I now mow this area with a finish mower.

As was said above - brush like this is very flexible will likely just get pushed over if your bucket is above ground. Other than mechanical means (cutting the stuff up by hand) I don’t see any other way.
 

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I have pulled those and other unknown shrubs out with my heavy hitch toothbar, with great succuss. The one thing I like the HH is it gets right under and pulls root and all rather than shearing them off.
 

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Maybe my search foo is off today but while I found several of threads on tooth bars I haven't found one that answers my question. Most threads discuss the bar's ability to break through hard soil, which I understand is the primary reason for a tooth bar, but initially at least I plan to use it for brush removal (honeysuckle, raspberries, wild roses, etc.) and maybe some small <2" diameter saplings. The Piranha bar looks like it would be good for shearing these guys off at ground level or just below while the Heavy Hitch looks like it would be good for getting under and ripping them out the roots as well. Ultimately I plan to get a root grapple but until Deere makes the 3rd mid SCV kit available for the 1 series I'll be using the bucket.

Any chance I can get some feedback from folks who've used their tooth bars for brush removal, which bar they have and how well it worked?

Thanks
I have the Piranha bar on my bucket and have used it for a lot of brush removal. I found if I approach the "target subject" and then angle the bucket at about a 45 degree angle to the ground, it allows me to see the corner of the bar actually making contact with the brush or other debris. Then I lower the FEL bucket down into the ground and it usually shears off the item at the surface or where ever my contact point is. Shear at a downward angle verses straight across the brush or debris. It also depends on the item.

If you scoot the bucket along the ground with the bar square to the ground and the bottom of the bucket flat, it will largely just bend over the brush or debris. If you angle the bucket, then you can shear off the brush, plus you can see what you are doing. It takes some practice but that's seat time and the more the merrier generally.

Some softer brush, like that found in wet areas, will sometimes be harder to shear off as it will bend and flex a lot due to the moisture. On the other hand, such soft brush is usually easier to pull out of the ground in it's entirety.

Other brush, it works great. You just need to try different approaches and different tools depending upon what you are working with. Without a doubt, I would say the bar is far more helpful in dealing with brush than it's not, much of it is how it's used.

When I am pulling larger landscape items like old mature bushes, the pallet forks are very handy as are tow straps, wrapped twice around the base of the bush.

Practice makes one better and trial and error makes us all better operators of the machine over time.

One other safety suggestion, when I have my FEL off the tractor or even parked where the tooth bar can be walked into or bumped into, I always cover the edge of the tooth bar with the low cost kneeling pads from Harbor Freight. It prevent you cutting your ankle or getting an injury as the teeth on the bar are sharp. I use this product to wrap around the front edge of the bucket and tooth bar to reduce the chance of in jury. Just run into it once and you will see why you don't want to do it again.

I slide it halfway under the bucket, sit the bucket down on the mat and then fold the mat around the cutting edge and sit something in the bucket to hold the mat in it's folded position. I will use whatever is handy to sit on the mat inside the bucket, such as 3 gallon water bottles, gallon paint cans, etc. just something to hold the cushioned mat in the bent position. These pads are cheap, about $2 each and sure save a painful ankle injury.

Anti-Fatigue Foam Mat Set 4 Pc


If you aren't having luck shearing the brush or you want o completely rip it out of the ground, roots and all, I also use a Brush puller hooked to either the hooks or clevises on my FEL bucket such as this one from Northern Tool.....

 

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I have the Piranha bar on my bucket and it shears through very few plants. In most cases it causes the plants to bend over, the teeth cut in to the stem length-wise and it ends up ripping up the entire plant by it's roots.
I also have the piranha tooth bar. Like Jim says it works very good for what you want to do. Our soil down here is mostly sand so most brush is very easy to push out roots and all.
 

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One other safety suggestion, when I have my FEL off the tractor or even parked where the tooth bar can be walked into or bumped into, I always cover the edge of the tooth bar with the low cost kneeling pads from Harbor Freight. It prevent you cutting your ankle or getting an injury as the teeth on the bar are sharp. I use this product to wrap around the front edge of the bucket and tooth bar to reduce the chance of in jury. Just run into it once and you will see why you don't want to do it again.

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Ouch!

Been there, done that...

Here is a guard I made out of PVC pipe.
 

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Ouch!

Been there, done that...

Here is a guard I made out of PVC pipe.
Who makes your toothbar? It kind of looks like a piranha with extra tines on top.
I guess it must be a newer piranha.
 

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Piranha

I agree that the Piranha works well. I've used it on everything from honeysuckle to 20' tall gum trees and for clearing it works well. As Sulleybear said, you have to vary the technique according the the brush, soil and conditions. It either cuts brush off or grabs and pulls it out depending on how it's used and how dry the soil is.

I think a pure tooth bar is probably a better choice for digging but I'm happy with the Piranha.

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I have the redline rock bucket, and I found it is a beast when clearing brush. Much more than a tooth bar though.
Now that looks like the tool for the job. Unfortunately, as you mentioned it is more expensive. Looks like it would make a great rock rake.
Thanks.
 
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Wow, I like that!

I have the redline rock bucket, and I found it is a beast when clearing brush. Much more than a tooth bar though.
That looks like the answer to a lot of jobs I have around the Ponderosa. I've never seen one around here, where did you find it?
 

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I have the Piranha bar 80% for ware moving snow on the drive and such. Then 20% for brush grubbing and digging. Again mostly to keep from wearing off the leading edge of the bucket. I also back drag the bar to score the surface of icy patches. It does well enough for that, but I'm thinking of building a similar bar only with closer teeth for ice and snow use.

I've been thinking a rock bucket like in post #12 would be nice for livestock pen, yard, barn cleaning. Unfortunately, I think they are quite expensive.. Must admit I haven't looked into it real close yet.
 

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That looks like the answer to a lot of jobs I have around the Ponderosa. I've never seen one around here, where did you find it?
Found this on Google-
John Deere Compact Tractor Rock Bucket 54" | Redline Systems Inc - Equipment Attachments - Custom Fabrication - Hutchinson, MN

Seems the have a nice line of attachments. Who knew?
That's it! I knew!

Just looked up my email receipt, it was $1071, that included freight to Washington state. It works great turning my compost pile too. I have also used it to break ground and grade it by back dragging in float, leaves a beautiful surface.
 

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That's it! I knew!

Just looked up my email receipt, it was $1071, that included freight to Washington state. It works great turning my compost pile too. I have also used it to break ground and grade it by back dragging in float, leaves a beautiful surface.
Well thanks for finally sharing with us.

Seriously, thanks. :cheers:
 

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That's it! I knew!

Just looked up my email receipt, it was $1071, that included freight to Washington state. It works great turning my compost pile too. I have also used it to break ground and grade it by back dragging in float, leaves a beautiful surface.
Well, now I know what the next purchase is...:gizmo:
 

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Well, now I know what the next purchase is...:gizmo:
That is what this site does best.

A perfect place to fling a cravin' on ya.

More vendors should understand this and spend a little time here.

We are just a bunch of addicts looking for the next fix. :kidw_truck_smiley:
 
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