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The recent post about the processed dog food having the euthanizing chemicals contained in the "animal renderings" is every canine / companion animal parents worst nightmare. We have always been very careful about the treats and food which our canine kids consume.

Our dogs have been fed a diet of boiled chicken and rice. We buy boneless chicken breast and my wife cuts them all up and then boils the chicken for about 8 minutes. We use Minute Rice and she mixes the two together.

This diet is bland but it also requires that we give them other vitamins and supplements. We have tried to mix in chopped carrots and green beans into their meals to help round out the nutrition.

Their weights have held steady, they love the food and rarely do we have an issue with someone not eating. But the process we are using requires at least one hour each night for my wife to cut up all of the chicken into the little cubes that she insists on serving. So, I suggested we find another food we can either use for part of each meal or have the other food be a meal all of it's own.

Clearly, we want to stay away from "Processed" foods and lot's of preservatives. Also, we want to avoid the "fillers" which are how the euthanizing chemicals ended up in the Gravy Train and other foods. Apparently, ground up animal carcasses qualify under the FDA rules as a "filler". The thought of animals from shelters and others who may have been euthanized being ground into eligible food "filler" is disgusting and something that should never occur. I guess most of us don't want to know what goes on in the "Rendering Process" when animal remains are dealt with. But I know I do not want my canine kids or any of my animals to consume such "food sources".

The old saying that once you have seen how sausage is made, you likely would never eat it again is clearly true. I would prefer to completely avoid "fillers" and other such "ground up animal remains" as a food item for my dogs.

I did check the FDA website and spent several hours reading what such things qualify as "Animal Food Fillers". I did not like what I found.
I will say that we do allow them to chew on Pigs Ears and also the animal tendons from cattle which are dried and turned into chew items. That I don't have a problem with. But the thought that their dog food possibly contains ground up companion animals such as dogs and cats from shelters is NOT something I will support or allow my dogs to consume.

So, here is the first food we are trying.

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Here is the contents of this food as listed on the label.

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This is a dehydrated food which is very concentrated in weight when shipped in the packages. It happens to be made in Michigan. I chose this one to try as it is made by a small, family owned company and they are trying to do the right thing with pet food, as far as I can tell.

The reviews are very good on a variety of sources. Of course, you would expect their website to have glowing reviews. But the other sites, such as on Amazon, Jet.com and other sellers seemed to have a pretty consistent message.

The only negatives I read were some people complained about the smell of the food.

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Here is what the food looks like right out of the package dumped into the mixing bowl.

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I started out by making the small batch of this food to try it. Once I added the measured water to the food, it initially looked very soupy.

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The instructions talk about allowing the food to re-hydrate and properly prepare for it's consumption by the canine kids.

The longer the food sat during the 10 minutes, the more "food like" it began to appear.

Here it is, in the serving bowl, with just one half cup of their normal food of chicken and rice stirred into the new food mix. You can increase or decrease the water amount to change the consistency of the food. Here, I just followed the label instructions.

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The chunks of chicken meat are from their normal meal which my wife has made up for them. We are trying a process where we blend the two together and use much less of the chicken and rice in each meal.

Prior to using this new food when we were serving exclusively the chicken, rice and carrots and green beans, Right now, for 3 large dogs, my wife would cut up 4 lbs of boneless chicken breasts and mix in the Minute Rice servings for 4 on their Minute Rice box. This has been enough to feed them all two equal meals, one in the morning and one in the evening. She added one cup of chopped up carrots and one cup of chopped up green beans.

The amount of carrots and green beans varies, but generally it's about one cup of each diced and then boiled. The boiling of the carrots and beans reduces it's volume. Then my wife mixes the boiled meat, the rice, the carrots and the green beans into the big pot in which she boils the chicken and then mixes it all together.

One half of the total was served to the 3 in the AM and the other half is served in the PM. She keeps the unused half of the prepared meal in Tupperware for serving the next morning.

I have to be honest, the boiled chicken and rice does NOT smell appetizing in the morning when you open the Tupperware container. In fact, it smells much worse than this dog food does. I don't know what makes it smell unappealing, but it smells .........well, let's just say it's not an appealing scent.
 

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The 2 pound bag of this dehydrated food makes about 16 pounds of dog food

where the 10 pound bag will make about 80 pounds of dog food.

Since we are just trying this, I started with the smallest bag of two flavors.

I checked the website of the manufacturer directly, which can be found here.
https://healthydogma.com/petmix-original-homemade-dog-food/

I also checked Amazon, Jet.com and a few other sources. I ended up ordering on Jet.com as the shipping was free because the order was over $35 and they happened to have both bags on sale when I bought them. In fact, the normal price for the 2 pound bag is $17.95 for the Original and $24.95 for the Nut and Cherry flavor.

I happened to get both from Jet.com for the $17.95 price and free shipping. So I barely was able to get the free shipping due to the sale prices, but it did qualify as it exceeded their $35 order requirement.

I ordered the food on late Wednesday and it was here on Friday morning.

Based upon the price of the dog food, I don't expect this to be any less expensive than the current amount we are spending on their food. My main concern is a well balanced meal which they will eat and isn't a big project every night for my wife........

So, how did our kids react?

At first, they weren't happy........But they ate it. And now that it's part of the "normal diet", they continue to eat it. But let's face it, when they were used to boiled chicken breast and rice they were pretty much getting the gourmet of meals. In fact, one night this past week, my wife served them cooked ground beef for half their dinner and the chicken and rice for the other half and each of them ate all of the chicken and rice and walked away from the ground beef. They did eat it later.........

We are hoping this will make the meals more well balanced nutritionally and also a little less time consuming for my wife. There are ways she could make the preparation of their meals much easier, but she refuses to. For example, I cooked the carrots and beans together in the same pot and she uses two, which means more to wash. She does it her way and anyone who is married and has been for a long time knows that sometimes it's just best to not say what we are thinking........

Here is Chloe, Yesterday morning.......She looks happy.......

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Your wife is any dog,s best friend . She is a saint . Kevin .
There is a list of people who if they experience reincarnation and have a choice,. they want to come back as a dog and be adopted into our house.........:laugh::lol:
 

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I like the idea of this - dehydrated so you aren’t paying for water. Cost is quite reasonable also.

But with Jake - he eats only when he wants to. He gets half his daily dose at lunch time and it usually sits there. At supper time he gets the second half - usually added to the lunch time dose. Then it will still sit there - he may take a few bites between 5pm and 7pm. Then half the time he finishes it by bed time - the other half the time he doesn’t touch it. Then it gets put away so the mice don’t have a feast overnight.

So this food wouldn’t work for us as it would spoil before he ate it or have to be thrown out at bedtime.
 

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This looks like a very health and delicious meal. Last year at New Years my sweetie gifted me a puppy. He is a miniature long haired dachshund.
As I spend most of my time alone his companionship has been wonderful.
I have been purchasing a relatively expensive dry food that has a pretty good list of contents, but it looks like this food you have found has it beat for taste, nutrition and price.
I would echo Coaltrains hesitation about how well it would hold up in its dish. My baby puppy boy (my nick name for him), Rory, sometimes eats when I am at work and mostly eats when I am home in the evening.
Maybe I would have both on hand? Some dry when I am working and the good stuff in the evening.
 

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This looks like a very health and delicious meal. Last year at New Years my sweetie gifted me a puppy. He is a miniature long haired dachshund.
As I spend most of my time alone his companionship has been wonderful.
I have been purchasing a relatively expensive dry food that has a pretty good list of contents, but it looks like this food you have found has it beat for taste, nutrition and price.
I would echo Coaltrains hesitation about how well it would hold up in its dish. My baby puppy boy (my nick name for him), Rory, sometimes eats when I am at work and mostly eats when I am home in the evening.
Maybe I would have both on hand? Some dry when I am working and the good stuff in the evening.
Stan, If you want to motivate Jake to eat when fed, get him a canine sibling. Then, as we say in our house, "If you snooze, you lose" and that doesn't happen too many 2nd times.......:laugh::lol:

When I mixed the bowl of the new food for the photos, they had just eaten their breakfast so they weren't hungry. I left the bowl pictured sit out all day (9 hours) and at the end of the day, I moved the bowl and 10 minutes later it was empty. I didn't see who ate it, but I have an idea it was Sulley Bear......the real one. Other than losing some of the hydration, even after sitting out, the dog food looked very similar to when I took the picture in the serving bowl.

Here was a picture I took this afternoon when they were helping me do the bird feeders, etc. Just as I was taking the picture, they noticed a black squirrel just begging to be pursued so the chase is on..........

Beasely likes the make "Dog Snow Angels" in the snow and today I made a video of her doing that. Just as she was finishing with her snow angels, Sulley (the German Shepherd) just had to attack her sister in a friendly way and they were doing their doggie WWF wrestling moves until the squirrel was noticed...........then it was GAME ON...............

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We use a special bottled water from our water company for all drinking and cooking water and for their drinking dishes, so I know the water I used is good water verses whatever is in the manufactured food.

This company makes a sample bag for each of the flavors which is offered at a reasonable price if you want to give it a try. I know they sell the sample size on their website, I am not sure if it is sold at Amazon, Jet.com, etc.......
 

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Stan, If you want to motivate Jake to eat when fed, get him a canine sibling. Then, as we say in our house, "If you snooze, you lose" and that doesn't happen too many 2nd times.......:laugh::lol:

When I mixed the bowl of the new food for the photos, they had just eaten their breakfast so they weren't hungry. I left the bowl pictured sit out all day (9 hours) and at the end of the day, I moved the bowl and 10 minutes later it was empty. I didn't see who ate it, but I have an idea it was Sulley Bear......the real one. Other than losing some of the hydration, even after sitting out, the dog food looked very similar to when I took the picture in the serving bowl.

Here was a picture I took this afternoon when they were helping me do the bird feeders, etc. Just as I was taking the picture, they noticed a black squirrel just begging to be pursued so the chase is on..........

Beasely likes the make "Dog Snow Angels" in the snow and today I made a video of her doing that. Just as she was finishing with her snow angels, Sulley (the German Shepherd) just had to attack her sister in a friendly way and they were doing their doggie WWF wrestling moves until the squirrel was noticed...........then it was GAME ON...............



We use a special bottled water from our water company for all drinking and cooking water and for their drinking dishes, so I know the water I used is good water verses whatever is in the manufactured food.

This company makes a sample bag for each of the flavors which is offered at a reasonable price if you want to give it a try. I know they sell the sample size on their website, I am not sure if it is sold at Amazon, Jet.com, etc.......
Thanks for the info on the samples - I may just try it.

I always wondered about having multiple dogs - don’t know how you folks do it! With all my experience with our Mastiffs, they demand so much individual attention having 2 would seem like unending jealousy. If you pet one then the other would be right there demanding to be pet also?
 

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Adding to my above post - I like the fact that Jake eats only when he wants to. I feed him a high quality kibble. He obviously eats only what he needs as he seems to be a perfect weight and no gorging on food. I am just kind of surprised that he eats so little for such an active dog. A 35# bag lasts him almost 3 months.

Our Mastiffs were the same - food was left out all day and they would just take a bite or two once in a while throughout the day.
 

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Thanks for the info on the samples - I may just try it.

I always wondered about having multiple dogs - don’t know how you folks do it! With all my experience with our Mastiffs, they demand so much individual attention having 2 would seem like unending jealousy. If you pet one then the other would be right there demanding to be pet also?
We have always had all females as that is what seemed to come into our lives. All females are harder than having males as female dogs seem to be more competitive for who gets to go out the door first, who gets to eat first, who gets to be closer to mom or dad. It may sound silly but these are all very important things to be aware of as it plays directly into their pack mentality and their recognition of the "Pack Leader".

It's crucial they all understand that one of the human's is the "Pack Leader" and you don't have to be mean or cruel to make this point. I have found that dogs seem to prefer following the leader than being the leader, in most cases. As humans, we don't think about the importance of the "Pack mentality" but it's a critical thing in the canine world. There are many great books on the subject and when people are introducing another dog into the family, it's helpful to understand the "Dog's Perspective" and their thinking, as it's very different than humans.

We started off with one dog when we were married. After a couple of years, we added another who we found in a Wal mart parking lot. In fact the dog we found, Wolfie "T", is the dog I am writing my book about.

Dogs are like people in that they all have different personalities. Beasely and Sulley are always together, doing things. They even eat right next to one another. Chloe, is very much a solitary dog. She doesn't mind the others, but she also doesn't depend upon them like the others do. We have had as many as 6 large dogs at a time and that was a lot to deal with. But when we take someone into our home, they are here to stay.

I don't think we would ever not have "multiple dogs" again as the dogs do seem to thrive on one another. Especially as they age, the younger dogs really push the older dogs to remain more active and I think it's healthy for all of them. This week is "Doggie Spa week" with one appointment today for Chloe and then the other two go on Wednesday, together. Sulley and Beasely prefer to be together at the doggie spa and I stay the entire time with Chloe to help with her because of her Partial Paralysis. She can't stand for long periods of time and she needs help up into the tub and onto the grooming table.

So, I stay with Chloe and will hold her rear end up while Kathy is brushing her out, etc. Kathy is very good about not pushing Chloe and she is very patient, which is important. After all, if Chloe had a choice, she would definitely choose to not have degenerative myelopathy. We are starting her on some new medicine this week to hopefully help slow the progress of the disease, for which there is no cure. Chloe is the 3rd dog we have had who has this disease. It seems like the more pure bred they are, they more health problems they tend to have.
 

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A friend of mine came to the same unhealthy decision most have.he started making his own and now he has a small business.i have not asked very many questions,so I know very little beyond the basics of wholesome ingredients and local availability in so cal.,I know he ships to some who have moved away
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I agree on the pack leader mentality. I was always the pack leader as I did the training and discipline. But when I was working and gone for 24 hours at a time it quickly became obvious that when I was gone Bentley assumed pack leader status over Mrs, C. I explained it to her many times but she could’t get it.
 

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I agree on the pack leader mentality. I was always the pack leader as I did the training and discipline. But when I was working and gone for 24 hours at a time it quickly became obvious that when I was gone Bentley assumed pack leader status over Mrs, C. I explained it to her many times but she could’t get it.
Same issues with pack leader and Mrs. Bear. She allows them to get away with a lot more than I do and they know they can't pretty much do whatever they want when "dad" isn't around....

A perfect example is Mrs. Bear always walks Sulley Bear and I walk the other two. Sulley must be out in front and she will pull like crazy to get there and Mrs. says nothing.......I won't allow it and after one or two reminders she must walk nice when I am walking her, she immediately complies.

It's even as obvious as when we switch from my wife walking Sulley to me walking Sulley and then back again to her, during the same walk. Mrs. carries the plastic bags to pick up their "waste" and while she is doing that, I will take Sulley and be walking all three temporarily. When I have her leash, she walks nice, the second I hand it back to my wife, Sulley will pull to get out front again.

Sulley is also a very "bossy Bessie", where she has to be involved in what the others are doing. Clearly, she is the "canine pack Vice Leader"........

Dogs are very good at learning what's acceptable and what's not. It's always interesting to have them around......

Yesterday, at the dog spa, Chloe was up on the grooming table and their were three dogs in crates waiting to be picked up by their owners. All three dogs were in the same family.

A man and his daughter came in to pick up these 3 dogs and the moment they walked in, Chloe started growling at the guy and showing her teeth. I was standing right next to her and when the guy walked by to get the dogs out of the cages, Chloe let him know she didn't want him near her. The woman walked up and talked to Chloe and she was fine with her.

The moment they left, Kathy, the groomer told me about how the man is very verbally abusive to his wife when they come in her shop and also apparently has been physically abusive to his wife and she had confided that to Kathy. Kathy talked about how she doesn't like the guy and how she would prefer to not have to deal with him, etc. Apparently, his wife brings in the dogs the majority of the time. It was interesting how Chloe immediately didn't like him the second he came in the door. I can't recall a time when one of our dogs responded that way to someone who didn't deserve it. They seem to be excellent judges of character and can sense the responses of other people around those who make them uncomfortable.
 

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I’ve always relied on our Mastiffs as our judge of character with people. With some they would walk up to them right away - with others be very stand offish. The ones they were stand offish with all turned out to be not so good people.

Don’t know with Jake yet - the only people he has seen here at the homestead so far are Mrs. C’s parents one time.
 

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I’ve been using the Honest Kitchen for about 9 years. It’s a great food, also dehydrated. If anyone is looking to mix it up I’d check them out. It’s made purely from grade A. Human grade ingredients and manufactured in an FDA inspected and approved factory. ie. it’s food anhuman can eat, though personally I wouldn’t lol.
 
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