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I really like the comparisons of tractors by TTWT. No doubt there are pros and cons, however I think the biggest suggest for Kubota is their marketing plan. Deere and Kubota are totally opposites. Deere closed their small dealerships and required regional type consolidation. Kubota opened dealerships in small town and I think this is the uptake of their success.
 

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I really like the comparisons of tractors by TTWT. No doubt there are pros and cons, however I think the biggest suggest for Kubota is their marketing plan. Deere and Kubota are totally opposites. Deere closed their small dealerships and required regional type consolidation. Kubota opened dealerships in small town and I think this is the uptake of their success.
In my area the small kubota dealers have been bought out by conglomerates.
 

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A bit off topic but I thought I'd share. Last month the county put water lines down our rural street and I told the contractors that I could use all the soil I could get so feel free to just dump it all along my road frontage and I'd take care of moving it with my 1025 FEL. They left me around 60 - 80 yards of soil (mountains of it) so I was out there for quite a while moving it all oven my property. One Sunday I was moving soil and a few of the neighbors stopped to chat while my trusty tractor idled away with a heaping load of dirt in the bucket. Then I see my next door neighbor coming down the road from his mother in laws house driving his BX18 (Kubota 18 hp) complete with FEL. In his loader bucket was one single item. A woman's purse. Quite the roar of laughter went up when he drove past us and the comparisons between or two tractors was mentioned by all.

Poor Ben stopped and explained that his wife asked him to drive his tractor down the her parents house in order to "move some soil around" but it was just a ruse as she wanted him to merely retrieve the purse she had left there the previous night. But the beefy, well worked 1025 and the little purse carrying BX18 briefly stood in comparison much to everyone's amusement....

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In my area the small kubota dealers have been bought out by conglomerates.
The economies of the business are driving this. I looked extensively in the last two years at buying a Kubota dealership, which I seriously investigated, simply because our area is terribly under served and I feel there is a real opportunity. The local dealer was a complete ***hole but now that he is dead, I won't speak poorly of him.:laugh: He was the reason many didn't buy Kubota. Frankly, you had to persevere to be a local Kubota product owner, or drive 60 miles to another dealer.......

My decision turned out to be that I didn't want to tie up the $3+ million it was going to take to establish the dealership, based upon the margins of and return on a single location operation. To be totally honest, I can make more money with the capital without the risk and headache and that was the final deciding factor for me. I have owned a variety of businesses over the years and I look at this simply from the investment perspective, which is largely how it has to be looked at. After all, if you need outside capital or would need to establish a bank loan relationship, that is precisely how they would assess their involvement decisions.

Since I made this decision, several things have changed with the company who ended up purchasing the local dealership and it doesn't appear as if this chapter of the story has really closed.

There is no question that multiple locations give you a serious economic advantage when operating these businesses. There comes a time when the actual net return on your invested capital needs to be carefully considered and its really about return on capital assets and risk management, as much as it is about being in the tractor business. I wouldn't have considered this, and spent the time to carefully review the opportunity, if I thought Kubota was an inferior product.

The simple reality is the single location operation is not only at a disadvantage to the larger "groups", but the tractor companies also realize their cost of business in dealing with more locations and more dealership owners to realize their sales volume also isn't their future. There is a bottom line number where the smaller dealership is merely providing the owner with a job, verses being a long term viable business opportunity. Reality is only the largest single operation locations have long term economic viability at this point and even that is under tremendous pressure and this consolidation into ownership groups is going to continue, whether the customer likes it or not. It's a matter of economic survival...............
 

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Then I see my next door neighbor coming down the road from his mother in laws house driving his BX18 (Kubota 18 hp) complete with FEL. In his loader bucket was one single item. A woman's purse. Quite the roar of laughter went up when he drove past us and the comparisons between or two tractors was mentioned by all.

Poor Ben stopped and explained that his wife asked him to drive his tractor down the her parents house in order to "move some soil around" but it was just a ruse as she wanted him to merely retrieve the purse she had left there the previous night. But the beefy, well worked 1025 and the little purse carrying BX18 briefly stood in comparison much to everyone's amusement....

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Next time, he would be better off wearing it on his arm..........Poor guy......Hope it at least went with his outfit......:laugh::lol:
 

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The lack of position control on the BX 3ph is a problem for me.

He doesn't talk about the FELs. The FEL on the 1025R gen 1 is VERY unreliable. I NEVER ever tried loading something into the side of the bed of my pickup with the 1025R FEL. Could not trust it. It would sometimes dump when not intended.

The 1025R's hydraulic cooler is in front of the radiator where it should be. He doesn't mention on this BX, but I think on all BXs that the cooler and fan are located underneath where they can get damaged. There are some pans you can install to protect them on the BX. Not sure whether available from the factory or not.

It's possible (because I did it) to kick the fuel shutoff valve closed on the 1025R. Don't know whether this can be done on the BX.

Idle speed on the 1025R gen 1 is a ridiculous 1600 or so rpm, and ROUGH. Think it's 1000 on the BX, much more civilized.

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Didn't reply on YT, but for me I really like the plastic JD hood and side panels. Also, my buddy's BIL has a Kubota BX- he says a few cuss words hooking up his rear mower. It's really tight back there and he doesn't like it; says the bigger JD's (1-series) are much better to work with.

I think the JD is gonna slay the Kubota with FEL and belly mower hookup. :munch:
 

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The lack of position control on the BX 3ph is a problem for me.

He doesn't talk about the FELs. The FEL on the 1025R gen 1 is VERY unreliable. I NEVER ever tried loading something into the side of the bed of my pickup with the 1025R FEL. Could not trust it. It would sometimes dump when not intended.

The 1025R's hydraulic cooler is in front of the radiator where it should be. He doesn't mention on this BX, but I think on all BXs that the cooler and fan are located underneath where they can get damaged. There are some pans you can install to protect them on the BX. Not sure whether available from the factory or not.

It's possible (because I did it) to kick the fuel shutoff valve closed on the 1025R. Don't know whether this can be done on the BX.

Idle speed on the 1025R gen 1 is a ridiculous 1600 or so rpm, and ROUGH. Think it's 1000 on the BX, much more civilized.

Ralph
Be patient. This is part one of many comparison videos of which I'm sure Tim will cover.
 

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The lack of position control on the BX 3ph is a problem for me.

He doesn't talk about the FELs. The FEL on the 1025R gen 1 is VERY unreliable. I NEVER ever tried loading something into the side of the bed of my pickup with the 1025R FEL. Could not trust it. It would sometimes dump when not intended.

The 1025R's hydraulic cooler is in front of the radiator where it should be. He doesn't mention on this BX, but I think on all BXs that the cooler and fan are located underneath where they can get damaged. There are some pans you can install to protect them on the BX. Not sure whether available from the factory or not.

It's possible (because I did it) to kick the fuel shutoff valve closed on the 1025R. Don't know whether this can be done on the BX.

Idle speed on the 1025R gen 1 is a ridiculous 1600 or so rpm, and ROUGH. Think it's 1000 on the BX, much more civilized.

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We’ll get to most of this Ralph. However, we will not discuss the old ‘dump when it should curl’ issue. That has been fixed for years now.

The new bx idles similar rpm to 1025r
 

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I'd like to see some usage videos. Maybe some mowing, back blading/tilling/plowing, some front mounted chores, just stuff folks buy these little tractors for. And great start for a video series pal! I enjoyed your Video Tim and viewers appreciate you taking time to do them. Thanks!
 

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My BX idled a few hundred rpm less than mt 2025r. It was also really rough at idle and I woukd often bump it up. I’ve read a couple of ideas why they idle so high on the BX and it probably applies to JD also. One is emissions, they burn cleaner at higher rpms. The other is they run smoother at higher rpms.
 

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I'd like to see some usage videos. Maybe some mowing, back blading/tilling/plowing, some front mounted chores, just stuff folks buy these little tractors for. And great start for a video series pal! I enjoyed your Video Tim and viewers appreciate you taking time to do them. Thanks!
Will get some action in round 3 and later.
Round 2 (tomorrow) is mower setup and specs.
Not sure if name is perfect, but think of lift height, install/removal, etc.
 

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Round #1 Follow-up

Here is a follow-up video to round #1.

We address comments, and have a few questions of our own for Kubota owners.

We still don't have a solid answer on the startup/shutdown squeal.
Also, we are not sure the adjustment we made on the 3pt (shown in this video) actually did the job. It worked for awhile, but now I can't rotate the knob to 'top' again.


Round #2 (Mower setup and specs) will be released 11am tomorrow (Sunday).
We couldn't cover everything mower related in a single episode, so there will be two mower episodes.

Tim
 

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Mr.Tim my belief is you may want to address what may happen to all those hydraulic line at the i believe passenger side rear tire of you should break a cross chain. There were many reasons why I chose a deere but that is one people who run tire chains should be aware of. My 2 cents worth. That's all I got to spair....:quiet:btw me thinks your a good man!
 

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Finally got a chance to watch your two videos Tim.
Nice job, enjoying the comparisons.
To be honest i was going to buy orange before i saw the 1025R at the county fair. I used a BX w/backhoe to do a bunch of trenching around my house some years back. I borrowed my FIL's L series Kubota often.
Funny though i hated that treddle peddle. Lol
Like literally seeing the 1025 with the two pedals was about 50% of my decision.:laugh:
 

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With the BX I owned which was a 2350, my height adjustment knob was terrible. It never would lock in the top position and at times it froze up. The squeak at the start up and shut down was a sound mine never made.

One trick I learned for the treadle pedal was I never used the reverse pedal. I slipped my toe under the forward pedal and lifted up. That always made for smoother operation for me.
 

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The lack of position control on the BX 3ph is a problem for me.

He doesn't talk about the FELs. The FEL on the 1025R gen 1 is VERY unreliable. I NEVER ever tried loading something into the side of the bed of my pickup with the 1025R FEL. Could not trust it. It would sometimes dump when not intended.

The 1025R's hydraulic cooler is in front of the radiator where it should be. He doesn't mention on this BX, but I think on all BXs that the cooler and fan are located underneath where they can get damaged. There are some pans you can install to protect them on the BX. Not sure whether available from the factory or not.

It's possible (because I did it) to kick the fuel shutoff valve closed on the 1025R. Don't know whether this can be done on the BX.

Idle speed on the 1025R gen 1 is a ridiculous 1600 or so rpm, and ROUGH. Think it's 1000 on the BX, much more civilized.

Ralph
The idle speed is high on both tractors because to meet the emissions regulation, they have to raise the idle speed.
Granted the FEL on the 1025R takes getting used to. To raise and dump at the same time takes practice. Once you figure it out, it gets easier and yes, the earlier 1 series tractors, mostly the earlier 1026R and 1023E machines, had an SCV problem which has been fixed long ago.
The BX FEL is easier to raise and dump simultaneously.
 

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The idle speed is high on both tractors because to meet the emissions regulation, they have to raise the idle speed.
Granted the FEL on the 1025R takes getting used to. To raise and dump at the same time takes practice. Once you figure it out, it gets easier and yes, the earlier 1 series tractors, mostly the earlier 1026R and 1023E machines, had an SCV problem which has been fixed long ago.
The BX FEL is easier to raise and dump simultaneously.
That's one of the things I'm interested to hear about in this comparison. I was surprised and have been annoyed that I can't raise/lower and curl the bucket at the same time on my new 1023E, and I thought I remembered reading that that is possible with the Kubotas. Seems to me to be kind of a glaring deficiency in hydraulic management on the part of John Deere and imposes some inconvenience on even a tractor noob like me.
 

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That's one of the things I'm interested to hear about in this comparison. I was surprised and have been annoyed that I can't raise/lower and curl the bucket at the same time on my new 1023E, and I thought I remembered reading that that is possible with the Kubotas. Seems to me to be kind of a glaring deficiency in hydraulic management on the part of John Deere and imposes some inconvenience on even a tractor noob like me.
It is possible to raise the FEL and dump at the same time but it does require some practice. I agree, it would be nicer if it would be a little easier to find the sweet spot when doing this.

What I have found when desiring to raise the FEL and dump the bucket at the same time, essentially to keep the bucket level.

Raise the RPM to maximize pump flow. Get the FEL lift going first and then move the SCV control to the right to find the spot. After you do it several times, you will get used to it, albeit it isn't perfect. It helps to prop your elbow on the armrest.

In 2013 when I bought my 1025R, the local Kubota dealer, Messick's, left me use a BX25 with the BH for a week. During this time I was building my garage so I was using the FEL and BH allot, plus every week, I was swapping between FEL and BH use to mmm use.

What I found: The FEL on the BX was much easier to control when raising and dumping the bucket at the same time. The negatives, in 2013, was the SCV control was mounted on the dash so you had to have your arm in the air to function the control which caused your arm to get tired. Kubota has changed this now. They mounted their SCV at the same place the 1 series has theirs.

Hands down, the things that sold me on the JD 1025R was:
1. Ease of changing implements. The BX is not in the game when talking about this. You can remove the FEL and BH and install the mmm on the 1025R before you get the FEL and BH off the BX, and I might add with allot less work.
2. The two pedal propel system on the JD is by far nicer than the treadle pedal.

So, I was willing to sacrifice the FEL SCV control for the benefits of the others which were much more important to me. Installation and removal of attachments is a big deal since this is something you do often. The two pedal propel system is also something that you use all the time.

Now, if you are using your sub-compact tractor for nothing but FEL work, then the Kubota BX shines. I'm sure Tim will get into this in later comparison videos.

I might add, at the time, both the JD (Valley Ag and Turf) and Kubota (Messick) dealers in my area were class acts, which made the decision completely about the tractor.

Since then, Land Pro Equipment, a Western New York company has bought Valley Ag and Turf so who knows now. I do know this, several local Valley Ag and Turf employees now work for Messick's. Doesn't sound good but I am not reactionary, so we will see.

Anyway, people buy what they like and Kubota certainly builds a nice tractor.
 

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In 2013 when I bought my 1025R, the local Kubota dealer, Messick's, left me use a BX25 with the BH for a week. During this time I was building my garage so I was using the FEL and BH allot, plus every week, I was swapping between FEL and BH use to mmm use.

What I found: The FEL on the BX was much easier to control when raising and dumping the bucket at the same time. The negatives, in 2013, was the SCV control was mounted on the dash so you had to have your arm in the air to function the control which caused your arm to get tired. Kubota has changed this now. They mounted their SCV at the same place the 1 series has theirs.
Yeh, in my view, the total list of comparative pros/cons significantly favors John Deere in this particular tractor category, but the FEL valving is not one of their shining achievements and I wish it was better.
 
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