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Anyone using a 17P cart should inspect the area in which the axle passes through the drawbar.

This past week I was hauling a load of topsoil (level to the brim) across my yard which I've done dozens of times while topdressing most of the yard. I felt the load get stuck and turned around to find the draw bar at a 45deg angle compared to where it should be, tires were still on level wet ground, not buried. Additionally the latch on the cart let go and dumped the cart direct against my neighbors fence making it a PITA to unload.

I figured it was already broken i might as well try brute force to get it unstuck...so between using the pulling power and weight of the X758 I couldn't get it out but just rather dug the wheel in. I tried to use the plow to lift/push it out and it didn't work either. I figured what the hell, I'm gonna spend $500 on a new cart might as well get this pig out. Used the tractor with a little bit of speed to bump it out....no luck.

I manually unloaded the whole thing and tossed it into my wheelbarrow to finish spreading and getting the cart unstuck. needless to say the tab behind the latch to help guide it flattened out, the drawbar tore open, and coincidentally I noticed the two cap bolts that are on the front end of the tub started to pull through.

I called Brinly for parts and turns out I can get it replaced under warranty. They said due to the issues and size of the parts I'm better off going to a local dealer to swap it out for me. They will then get a credit from Brinly. I called my local dealer that I purchased from and got the run around for 3 days. Needless to say he was least than impressed that Brinly had signed him up for a such a deal. He then proceeded to tell me he does't keep carts in stock and won't get them in for a few weeks. I called another dealer that was a few towns over that originally quoted me for my X758 but couldn't come within $2k of the pricing I got from the dealer I ended up buying from. I explained to them what was going on, 6 hours later I got a call back telling me they have no problem taking care of me and working with Brinly for the credit on their end. I asked them if I could grab the Steel 18 instead and pay the difference. Turns out they're fine with that and they had one built out back already... Picked it up yesterday morning.
 

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Here are the pictures of the damage. I never realized how the 17P didn't have any reinforcement around the axle passthrough points, how it wasn't boxed out, and how the latching tab wasn't reinforced.
 

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And then the new Steel 18 cart. It looks like they learned from the poor design of the 17P. There is an entirely different latch guide that offers nearly no weak point.. Around both the axle pass through points there is additional steel welded for additional strength, the steel is thicker and isn't a channel anymore but rather a channel with wings for rigidity. The bolt will have a hell of a time pulling through a steel tub.
 

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Huh. I had a cheapo lawn cart that I picked up at Lowe's that fell apart the same way your cart did. Was towing it along and all of a sudden it stopped dead and dumped it's load in the middle of my yard. The construction on the underside looks almost identical.
 

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Wow... that is really surprising. Thank you for posting the pictures. I'm going to have a look at my 17P to see if there are any signs of fatigue as I've been pretty hard on it for quite a few years.

BTW, do you know that you can get the OEM Brinly 17P cart at Home Depot for $299? It's the same as the JD cart only painted black.

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And then the new Steel 18 cart. It looks like they learned from the poor design of the 17P. There is an entirely different latch guide that offers nearly no weak point.. Around both the axle pass through points there is additional steel welded for additional strength, the steel is thicker and isn't a channel anymore but rather a channel with wings for rigidity. The bolt will have a hell of a time pulling through a steel tub.
One possible reason the 18 cart has a heavier tongue is it is rated for 1650 lbs. whereas the 17P is rated for 1000 lbs. Oddly, the black Brinly is only rated for 850 lb.

All three carts are limited to 100 lbs. of tongue weight.
 

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I took a look at my 17P cart and so far it is not showing any signs of fatigue on the tongue which is surprising because I've had some wicked heavy loads in it over the years.

One good thing is the tongue damage described above would be very easy to repair. Two short pieces of flat stock either bolted or welded to the inner sides of the tongue with holes drilled to let the axle pass through and it will be 10X stronger than stock.

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By the way, am I the only 17P owner on the planet who assembled the hitch bracket upside down? It's been like this since day one and actually allows the trailer to ride more level. :)

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I took a look at my 17P cart and so far it is not showing any signs of fatigue on the tongue which is surprising because I've had some wicked heavy loads in it over the years.

One good thing is the tongue damage described above would be very easy to repair. Two short pieces of flat stock either bolted or welded to the inner sides of the tongue with holes drilled to let the axle pass through and it will be 10X stronger than stock.

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By the way, am I the only 17P owner on the planet who assembled the hitch bracket upside down? It's been like this since day one and actually allows the trailer to ride more level. :)

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When it first broke and I hadn't made any calls yet I was figuring out what I would do to stiffen and reinforce everything for the second try. I was planning to slap a piece of 3/16" steel to the U channel from underneath the body of the cart and down about 2' to the direction of the latch. I was going to also box out the bottom in the same fashion, but this was going to be the entire length. For the latch guide I was going to had a piece of 1/2" or 3/4" rod welded behind the latch guide so it shouldn't ever flatten out again. I was going to grind it all down to remove the paint, have it all welded on and then repainted, even if it was krylon.
 

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One possible reason the 18 cart has a heavier tongue is it is rated for 1650 lbs. whereas the 17P is rated for 1000 lbs. Oddly, the black Brinly is only rated for 850 lb.

All three carts are limited to 100 lbs. of tongue weight.

That can certainly be. While I thought 1000lbs capacity is plenty for me, I don't think I even approach that much weight with a full tub of dry topsoil. I considered going with the Steel 21 design for my replacement unit but when I saw it was only 1000lbs capacity as well I was less than please. I also have a concern with it's width and fitting through places in my yard that will need work.

Is tongue weight that much of a concern on a cart like this? I've heard that term a number of times when guys are towing trailers with trucks but I thought it was hardly a factor on something this small.
 

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Huh. I had a cheapo lawn cart that I picked up at Lowe's that fell apart the same way your cart did. Was towing it along and all of a sudden it stopped dead and dumped it's load in the middle of my yard. The construction on the underside looks almost identical.
JimR I wish I was that lucky. It dumped the load perpendicular next to my neighbors chainlink fence. Nothing more frustrating than trying to scoop out a cart while reach over the fence, the dumped cart, and then rotating sideways to pour it into a wheelbarrow you are trying to not get stuck in the mud. LOL
 

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Is tongue weight that much of a concern on a cart like this? I've heard that term a number of times when guys are towing trailers with trucks but I thought it was hardly a factor on something this small.
As I'm sure you know, maintaining the proper tongue weight with a tow vehicle is a huge safety issue as without sufficient tongue weight you can loose control of the vehicle.

However, with these small trailers I see the tongue weight limit as more of an indication of the strength of the tongue itself. Exceeding the stated limit and I suppose you risk bending the tip of the tongue or having the little tongue bracket tear out of its holes. I suspect the limit is a bit conservative as I've exceeding that many times. On many occasions I've had a 175 lb. person sitting on the front edge of the trailer with their feet on the tongue while I hauled a big load to the brush pile.
 

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I took a look at my 17P cart and so far it is not showing any signs of fatigue on the tongue which is surprising because I've had some wicked heavy loads in it over the years.

One good thing is the tongue damage described above would be very easy to repair. Two short pieces of flat stock either bolted or welded to the inner sides of the tongue with holes drilled to let the axle pass through and it will be 10X stronger than stock.

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By the way, am I the only 17P owner on the planet who assembled the hitch bracket upside down? It's been like this since day one and actually allows the trailer to ride more level. :)

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In my opinion, Id say regardless of directions, you are the only one who installed it the correct way. As designed, or rather, as instructions indicate, the design of the top strap is VERY weak. Subject to bending very easily, even though tongue weight should be 100# or so, we all know that things change when not on level ground, etc. Yours allows more strength in the top portion relative to the prescribed way of attaching that bolt on part.

My neighbor has a lighter weight Brinly, similar to the 7P I think, and that bolt on portion is bent up pretty good. He doesnt load it heavy very often, if at all, as he only has a small Craftsman riding mower to pull it around the woods. His is actually what got me to thinking about how that part is attached in the first place, but yours is the only one Ive seen done that way.
 

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As I'm sure you know, maintaining the proper tongue weight with a tow vehicle is a huge safety issue as without sufficient tongue weight you can loose control of the vehicle.

However, with these small trailers I see the tongue weight limit as more of an indication of the strength of the tongue itself. Exceeding the stated limit and I suppose you risk bending the tip of the tongue or having the little tongue bracket tear out of its holes. I suspect the limit is a bit conservative as I've exceeding that many times. On many occasions I've had a 175 lb. person sitting on the front edge of the trailer with their feet on the tongue while I hauled a big load to the brush pile.

Good to know thank you. I figured with the weight of the tractor, plus me at 200lbs, that tongue weight wouldn't be a great concern since I would need to seriously try to overload the cart to make it hazardous.
 
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