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I took the wife and kids to the airport today and get home and I was going to start some of my projects. First on the list was to descale the tankless water heater. Head down to the basement and I can hear the hum of the well pump running. I think to myself that this is odd because I just got home so no one is using water. I keep working and think to myself that the pump should have cut out by now even if it was low. Take a look at the gauge and it is sitting at 60PSI. We have a 40/60 switch so it should be cutting out.... I go over and flip the breaker and start looking into my new project for the day. As I look over things I look at my filters. They normally are changed every 3 months and I did it last month. The first is a spin down sediment pre-filter and I can see what looks like cotton or down on the outside of the filter and what I would say is the amount of sediment we would normally see in 3 month clean out. I have never seen these fibers before so I shutdown my valve and pull the filter. Here is a photo of the fibers.



So the well pump is down about 160'. It comes into the house and there is a T that goes to the pressure switch and pressure tank. The other direction goes to the filters and on to the house. The fibers are on the well side of the filters so it has to be coming from well, well pump or pressure tank. I just cant think of anything that would have fibers in it like this. They feel like cotton. Not sure why they would have something like that in the pressure tank. Any ideas?



I did some troubleshooting. When I drained the pressure tank I noticed that the pressure gauge should have dropped to 0 but it was still sitting at 60psi. Thinking the nipple going to the pressure switch. nipple and gauge could be plugged I replaced all three with new ones. Now the pump still runs non-stop but the pressure gauge reads 0psi all the time. I even ran the pump for a minute. Verified that there is water in the tank by opening my drain briefly. Then I pulled the pressure gauge, nothing came out of it. The odd thing is there is that the hole it screws into has something on the inside of it. It is hard like the plug on the end of the fitting. I tried opening up the pipe where everything attaches but I can't seem to be able to budge the end plug. Who knows how long it has been there. The house was built in the 60s but I replaced the pressure tank about 4 years ago. At that point I had everything disconnected from the union down to the tank. The rest of it could be original for all I know.



My thoughts are these fibers are plugging up the passages to the pressure switch and pressure gauge. I am thinking I need to try and get this stuff apart to clean them out. However. If it is these fibers causing the issue, it is just a band-aid fix, I am still getting these fibers into the spindown filter and even if I clean this out, it will likely plug up again. Anyone ever see anything like this before or have an idea where they might be coming from. There is a section of rubber hose from where the copper pipe comes out of the ground to where it ties into copper pipes and make that T. For now I just run the pump for a bit when I need water and cut it off. It is just me in the house this week so I can get by. I go to the gym every morning so I shower and get ready for work there.
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Sort of looks like fiberglass. Do you have a fiberglass tank?
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I had to change out our pressure switch in 2016...

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Any chance I am better off with brass rather than galvanized?
IMO, without a doubt, brass. Fittings, hand tight and another 1/2 turn and you should be good to go.
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yes-i agree on adjusting the switch springs. but if his gauge is off a bit. at our old house with our old well we ran into that problem too.
I've had pressure gauges catch me off guard, a couple of times. Don't really trust them all the time now.
Average pump life today is ~15 years.
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:nunu:who says-huh:lol: why couldn't u have said hey 20-25 yrs or something -huh. what -i bet u got city water there at the house:lolol:

i know better oh as i seen ur well casings while i was there. how long has urs been in? 14 and half yrs now:munch:
Going on 18 years. Livin on the edge here. I have noticed a lot longer time in pressure build up.
Gonna change it out this year. Was going to change it last year but had the house trim painted instead.
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The pump was really old when we bought the house 20 years ago. The bearing was screaming then and still is.

I don't replace things that still work - waste of money.
Do you change or have your vehicle engine oil changed before or after the engine seizes up?
Could cost double or more if there is 2 feet of snow on the ground or it's below zero outside.
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A water pump is nothing like an engine - has no fluids to change or other maintance.

My pump is a jet pump which is in the basement. An hour or so with a couple wrenches and it is changed.
Our pump is at 150 ft, I've change it twice before myself and will do it again this time. I will change out the plastic pipe, wire and rope even though all that is also still working. So do you agree, I should change out ours during the warm weather this year before I have problems?
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Well.....I don’t agree. If it ain’t broke......

But yeah - pulling a deep well pump in the winter can be tough - but I’m sure it’s done all the time.

I worked with plumbers for many years. They only pulled pumps if they needed replaced. And none of them replaced the pipe, rope, or wire unless it was visually bad. If the pump was installed correctly using a torque stop and cable guards there is no reason to believe that any of that stuff would wear.
Our well is only 150 ft with only a 1/2 hp pump. No need for a torque stop. I only use one cable guard, more than that makes it tough to pull the pump. I do use a boat load of tape though. :lol:
Rope costs are about as much as a 6 pack of beer.
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Time for an update.

First from earlier in the morning when I pulled the T. This is the inside and then the port that was plugged for the pressure gauge.

I used a screwdriver to clear the sediment and when I put it together the pressure gauge worked so I was able to see that I could only get 53 or so PSI. It was time to call in the professionals.
I pulled our pump years ago because pressure would take forever to build up. After I installed the new pump I took the old pump apart. The pump propellers were about completely gone. The new pump ran about 1/3 the time the old one did to build up pressure. The new pump used less power to run even though the ratings were the same as the old pump.
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So, everything is running now. I showed him the fibers, he is pretty sure they are from the impeller as it was letting go. That explains the lack of pressure. Total damage.... $1150.00
Cheap enough, IMO. The cost did include the pump, right?
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Keith, how did you get the pipe and pump out? Things have to weigh quite a bit at that length.
Had to use the JD 650 FEL to get the Pitless adapter off, after that my wife and I pulled it out. The tough part is pulling up on wet plastic pipe. It was heavy but the good thing is they get lighter as they come up.
Our pump is on black plastic pipe.

Good to hear, you have water again.:bigthumb:

Jeff B " Keith, how did you get the pipe and pump out? Things have to weigh quite a bit at that length".

I pulled our well its at 115-120' by myself , wasn't to bad, FIL helped keep the pipe and wires together and to make sure nothing broke laying it on the ground. That was apx 25-30 yrs ago , thinking Fri or Sat after Thanksgiving , wife is preparing a full course meal for 15-20 folks that evening.
Had everything repaired (ours is 18" buried to top of well head and before the requirement it has to be above ground and it is still buried). dug out the well head and filled back in the dirt ,and back in the house before 4pm. Wife had told everyone we would eat at 5 and we did. :bigthumb:

Glad we have city water now , we still use the well for cleaning driveway, washing vehicles and watering the plants around the house. Pretty sure when ever it quits working , I won't replace the submersible pump.
Ours is buried also and would be a ***** in the winter.

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I was also wondering how you did that. I had thought of doing it myself but once he stared pulling out the first pipe I was thinking when is this going to end. They are 21' each section. I could see doing it if it was plastic but I don't know if my FEL would lift this. Especially considering not only is it the weight of 160' of steel pipe, but also the pump and all the water in the pipe. Then when sending it back down you would have to line up the pipe while threading it back together. I am thinking I am sticking with a service where I could sit and watch him do the work. It wasn't hard for him with the truck but without the right equipment, no thanks.
In your case I'd watch too. :thumbup1gif:
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