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The numbers I am curious about in real world use is the breakout force and rollback force. I want to say it will come into play when you were maybe using it for some stump work. I know you mainly used your BH for this but if one didn't have a BH and maybe was using pallet forks or something. Or other digging in the dirt.Well, according to the specs, the 300 series loader will lift considerably more than a 120R on my 2025R. It shows it lifting 66 more pounds than a 220R and 383 pound more than a 120R at the pin to full height. We shall see.
I did not get the parking stand yet. I wanted to try mowing with just the bucket removed first. My area is open for the most part. I’m sure I will eventually get it.
I did a lot of pricing at the dealer and you can’t beat the value of a 3025E. Especially the redesigned machine. I really like the instrumentation, the fuel tank, and the redesigned cup holder area. You can also get optional cruise control. Also, the addition of a backhoe was what really sold me. Take one for a spin if you haven’t already..
Yeah, I’m curious about the breakout force as well. Although, according to the specs the 120R on a 2025R has more breakout force than a 220R on a larger 2 series. I’ve never heard anyone say that the 120R has more “power” than a larger 2 series, ever.The numbers I am curious about in real world use is the breakout force and rollback force. I want to say it will come into play when you were maybe using it for some stump work. I know you mainly used your BH for this but if one didn't have a BH and maybe was using pallet forks or something. Or other digging in the dirt.
If you go to this site you can compare FELs.
There is a big number difference between a 300E and 300R FEL so I linked to the 300E and then you can add the 120R on a 2025R (MY 2017+) for the comparison.
Looking at the numbers, I agree that lifting height (one thing I am after) and lift capacity at full height are all greater with the 300E. However this is what I am questioning in real world use.
Boom breakout force
1704# on the 300E
1963# on the 120R
Bucket rollback force
1422# on the 300E
1659# on the 120R
Also maybe talk to your dealer to find out what it takes to install the stand kit. I think it is fairly involved. Since the FEL isn't really removable on a stock 3025E I assume you are adding disconnect for the hydraulics, then replacing the pivot bolts with pins. I assume on all of this. I don't know your yard but back when I would mow with my X585 with the FEL getting around trees was a PITA but the bigger issue is a higher center of gravity. I almost rolled the machine. If your yard is flat as a pancake maybe you are fine. Just throwing it out since it is normally cheaper and easier to get all this stuff added before you take delivery than after the fact. Personally if I went with a 3025E, I don't know that I would go with the removal kit as I really don't see a use case where I would need to remove it. It would be for FEL work and snow removal only. As I mentioned I have the ZTrak for mowing.
I agree that for the price it is hard to beat. Plus if I were to get a 2025R I would be very tempted to get a mowing deck, front blower if for no other reason for resale. This would push the price much higher than getting a 3025E where it isn't an option. While I live in MN, I have gone as much as 4 years without ever putting the blower on my X585. In the few cases where I used it, it was because it was wet heavy snow that I was having a hard time pushing and I just put it on because it was faster. A much heavier and capable machine might eliminate that need once every few years that it seems to happen.
That is why I am curios to hear from someone with time running the newer 2025R and 3025E. In real world use what do these numbers mean?Yeah, I’m curious about the breakout force as well. Although, according to the specs the 120R on a 2025R has more breakout force than a 220R on a larger 2 series. I’ve never heard anyone say that the 120R has more “power” than a larger 2 series, ever.
As far as a blower, I use my loader way to much for a front mount. My ideal set-up would be a rear mounted blower and a front snow pusher/bucket. Best of both worlds. The dealer also told me it was a PIA to swap from blower to loader in the larger 2 series. They apparently do a lot of them for people who don’t want to mess with it.
The 3e's are basically the same "size" as a 3R, I'd consider retrofitting a 320R loader once the warranty is up . The specs on the 320R are waaaaay better... If you need to lift more you need a bigger tractor anyway. As far as breakout force, it doesn’t make it unusable or really limit it, just use it.