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We all know what type of mower blades are on a new John Deere Ztrak… They are called OEM blades. Correct?. So, here's the details on the so-called "aftermarket" blades. John Deere owns a company named...Sunbelt Outdoor Products, who makes all of John Deere lawn tractors mowing blades. Now, comes the big 700 million dollar question. Sunbelt Outdoor Products also makes what is called "aftermarket" blades, and they are labeled Sunbelt XHT types and sizes. Same material, same "specs" as the OEM ones. Sunbelt Outdoor Products sell these blades to firms like GreenPartStore - John Deere Parts and More - Parts for John Deere Lawn Tractors, John Deere Lawn & Garden Tractors, John Deere Mowers, John Deere Attachments, John Deere Accessories. and others firms that sell John Deere tractor and mower parts. etc. In past, it's been known that "aftermarket" products usually arrives from a overseas manufacturer.
With that being said, can we say that any firm that sells Sunbelt Outdoor Proucts mower blades is also a OEM blade?



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Sunbelt XHT Mower Blade for 54-inch John Deere Deck

With Sunbelt XHT (Xtreme Hardness & Toughness) blades it starts with the steel, featuring a unique steel that incorporates boron, carbon, manganese, and other materials that ensure its strength. The final step in the XHT process is the patented and independently tested Marbain® heat-treating process. This process makes XHT blades approximately 25% - 40% harder than standard lawnmower blades,making them the longest-lasting, safest and most impact resistant lawnmower blades on the market.



Benefits of the XHT mower blade:
•Cutting edges stay sharper longer
•Wear resistance in the most strenuous conditions
•Impact toughnes
•Resistance to bending
•Tightest tolerances in the aftermarket vs. OEM
•Can be used in place of M135334

Blade specifications:
•19-inches long, 2-1/2-inches wide, .250 thick with 7/8-inch arbor hole

Distributed by Sunbelt Outdoor Products a John Deere company



NOTE: Please read the last line in the above Mower Blade description.....








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I buy Gator mulching blades for my Z445. They seem to last longer, cut better, mulch better, and are a little cheaper.
 

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TO THE PERSON THAT MOVED THIS THREAD:

Where did you moved it to: There may be others that would like to know where!!!!. Are do you know where you moved it. A 6 years old child would have mention the location. GEE WIZ... Some need to go back to the 1st Grade
 

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KB, "In past, it's been known that "aftermarket" products usually arrives from a overseas manufacturer." Lemme comment on this:

Over sea parts, to me, fall into 3 classifications: Pure crap, they'll work, and WOW, better & cheaper than a USA made part. 100% of the time this is up to the supplier/purchaser to spec out what he/she wants and then inspect & verify they got it. I worked for a company that started outsourcing parts from Taiwan. Our material specs and tolerances were very precise/tight! The first few parts we received were not to our spec and were rejected. Eventually, nearly 2 years later, we were getting parts to our specs at 1/3 the cost if we made them here in the states. Specifications are the key. You can order a mower blade from an overseas source with a material spec, " that incorporates boron, carbon, manganese, and other materials" and made to specific dwg. sizes. You can also order a "mower blade." You can get both! One is what you want, the other may (??) work.

Today's' world is a global economy. Parts are made/purchased from who knows where. OEM now means that the manufacturer of the original equipment is responsible (hopefully!!) for the quality of the repair part and not that the original manufacturer actually made the part. Bob
 
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I buy Gator mulching blades for my Z445. They seem to last longer, cut better, mulch better, and are a little cheaper.
It all depends on who's Gator blades you buy. Oregon, Stenn, and many others make the Gator blades. I don't know if John Deere owns the Gator name. if so, there are many that make this style mower blade without paying Deere royalty fee.
I cannot use Gator's on my Z710A, as I have the mulching kit installed, and Gator blades don't work too well with mulching kits...I've been informed.
 

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There's no reason to get all bent out of shape and belittle the admins because your thread was moved.

I don't know where your thread was before, but it's in the Tractor and Equipment Maintenance forum now, which is where it belongs and where I would have looked for it.
 

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TO THE PERSON THAT MOVED THIS THREAD:

Where did you moved it to: There may be others that would like to know where!!!!. Are do you know where you moved it. A 6 years old child would have mention the location. GEE WIZ... Some need to go back to the 1st Grade
Maybe you should read....:unknown: :think: :read

 

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It all depends on who's Gator blades you buy. Oregon, Stenn, and many others make the Gator blades. I don't know if John Deere owns the Gator name. if so, there are many that make this style mower blade without paying Deere royalty fee.
I cannot use Gator's on my Z710A, as I have the mulching kit installed, and Gator blades don't work too well with mulching kits...I've been informed.
The (Oregon) Gator mulching blades I use work great with my Z445 48" deck with mulching kit.

I don't know anything about who owns the Gator name...sounds like John Deere's problem, not mine.
 

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I buy Gator mulching blades for my Z445. They seem to last longer, cut better, mulch better, and are a little cheaper.
The (Oregon) Gator mulching blades I use work great with my Z445 48" deck with mulching kit.

I don't know anything about who owns the Gator name...sounds like John Deere's problem, not mine.
I have Both Predator & Gator Blade's for My 54C deck On My X748 I really can't tell or see the difference in Performance. The Predator Name Is just John Deere's Internal Name for there Sun Belt Made version of Oregon's Gator Blade's either Brand Cut's about the same. Some series of the Oregon Made Gator Blade's are a Bit thicker(depends On which series of Gator Blades You Buy) then the Sun Belt Made Predator's :bigthumb:
 
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I have Both Predator & Gator Blade's for My 54C deck On My X748 I really can't tell or see the difference in Performance. The Predator Name Is just John Deere's Internal Name for there Sun Belt Made version of Oregon's Gator Blade's either Brand Cut's about the same. Some series of the Oregon Made Gator Blade's are a Bit thicker(depends On which series of Gator Blades You Buy) then the Sun Belt Made Predator's :bigthumb:
They cut/mulch my lawn better on my 48 inch deck. I not only can see the difference, I can hear the difference :good2: .
 

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For the record here, I'm not criticizing any manufacturer mower blades. My thread was based on OEM versus Aftermarket blades, and can they be summed up as no difference in the brand, size, or type?

Here is a John Deere #M135334 54" low-Lift mulching blade that comes with a Ztrak mower that has a muching kit under it.


Here is a Sunbelt Outdoor Product 54" Low-Lift Muching blade. Note the "two-levels" cutting edges.


When I bought Z710A the sales person informed me that the mower had a mulching kit installed, and the blades are difference than regular mower blades. And anything I needed to buy new blades, I must used the "special' blades like the ones in the photo above.
BTW: These blades coast $36.99 EACH from a JD dealer, and I can get them from Sunbelt for $29.99 ea. Plus shipping.
 

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They cut/mulch my lawn better on my 48 inch deck. I not only can see the difference, I can hear the difference :good2: .
The difference Between Gator(Oregon Brand) & Predator(sun Belt) That's what Your saying correct!

I Just Looked On the Sub Belt website and Now do Notice a different design for the Predator Blades Than the Predators I bought 5 or 6 years ago Because The Predators use to Look Like a Carbon copy of the Gator Blade's wonder if Deere (sun Belt)had to change them do to a Patent since I Bought them Last. So that is Probably why I couldn't see a difference in design Not realizing the finger design has Changed On the Predators In the Last 5 years. I guess I'll have to Buy a new set of Both and see How they work Next Spring & Summer:bigthumb:
 
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There's no reason to get all bent out of shape and belittle the admins because your thread was moved.

I don't know where your thread was before, but it's in the Tractor and Equipment Maintenance forum now, which is where it belongs and where I would have looked for it.
OxPath, I'm a member of the ZTR'S and Commercial Turf Equipment forum, and there is no such forum section named ...Tractor Equipment Maintenance forum. So, how would I know where you or someone else moved the tread?
 

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The difference Between Gator(Oregon Brand) & Predator(sun Belt) That's what Your saying correct!
Nah. I don't know anything about Predator, or Sunbelt, or whatever. For the last 15 years, I go into my John Deere dealer once or twice a year and say "gimme a box of M127673 mulching blades". He brings out a box and says "gimme $45". I read some post here on GTT where some Real Tractor Man was gushing about Gators so I thought I give them a try. As itr turns out, I like them better than whatever it is that the John Deere parts guy gives me. That's what I'm saying...
 

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For the record here, I'm not criticizing any manufacturer mower blades. My thread was based on OEM versus Aftermarket blades, and can they be summed up as no difference in the brand, size, or type?

Here is a John Deere #M135334 54" low-Lift mulching blade that comes with a Ztrak mower that has a muching kit under it.


Here is a Sunbelt Outdoor Product 54" Low-Lift Muching blade. Note the "two-levels" cutting edges.
The JD blades have the same "two levels" of cutting edges as the Sunbelt blades. It may just be the lighting and angles in the photo that makes it difficult to see. The factory 48-inch mulching blades on my X500 have the same "S-shape" and two level cutting edges.

I would conclude that the Sunbelt blades would work just the same as the OEM blades in this case.
 

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OxPath, I'm a member of the ZTR'S and Commercial Turf Equipment forum, and there is no such forum section named ...Tractor Equipment Maintenance forum. So, how would I know where you or someone else moved the tread?
Your, this, thread is about mower blades and is pretty informative, even for us that don't have ZTRs. I think that's why it was moved to a forum which properly reflects the main subject of the thread, mower blades and not specifically ZTRs.

You obviously found the thread, but if not, you could have asked where it was moved without adding the nonsense comments. I didn't move the thread as I'm not an admin. If I was, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 

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Your, this, thread is about mower blades and is pretty informative, even for us that don't have ZTRs. I think that's why it was moved to a forum which properly reflects the main subject of the thread, mower blades and not specifically ZTRs.

You obviously found the thread, but if not, you could have asked where it was moved without adding the nonsense comments. I didn't move the thread as I'm not an admin. If I was, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
OxPath, I didn't search for where the person "moved" the thread to. I still click on the moved thread in the ZTR'S forum and scroll down to where all the members have posted their remarks. I'm not spending my time search some other website where the moved thread is located.

The person (Admin) should have just taken the time to put in black and white print what category where the thread was moved to. Simple minded people should know that.
 

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OxPath, I didn't search for where the person "moved" the thread to. I still click on the moved thread in the ZTR'S forum and scroll down to where all the members have posted their remarks. I'm not spending my time search some other website where the moved thread is located.

The person (Admin) should have just taken the time to put in black and white print what category where the thread was moved to. Simple minded people should know that.
While you continue to call me simple minded, please read my post earlier in response to you. There was absolutely an expiring redirect that brings you directly to this thread. I posted a picture of it. It’s still there in the ZTR forum. Click on it and it brings you right here. Ironically what you are complaining about fully exists and was done long before you complained about it.

I moved the thread for exactly the reasons Oxpath stated. It fits way better here and more members will see, read, and respond to it.

I’m sorry you take offense to what we do, but it’s imperative for the site’s health to have things in their proper spot. It allows for much more effective and easier searches. This means that search engines also find out site much easier to find therefore will suggest it to search engine users. Plus it’s considerably easier for members to use. A clean well organized site is a happy one. (At least for most people.)

Any further discussion, complaints, questions, pointers, whatever, could be put into a new thread in the forum help and suggestion forum so we don’t cloud this thread anymore. :good2:
 

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OxPath, I'm a member of the ZTR'S and Commercial Turf Equipment forum, and there is no such forum section named ...Tractor Equipment Maintenance forum. So, how would I know where you or someone else moved the tread?
You sir, are the "member" of the GreenTractorTalk Forum, which encompasses MANY forums or sections so info is not all jumbled up in one.

There most certainly is a forum or section called Tractor and Equipment Maintenance, just scroll around and look.
 

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I have read this thread thrice, that's more than twice and a third for good measure and I still don't understand the point of the thread.

Does Sunbelt make a good OEM product? Probably identical to it's Aftermarket products depending upon the actual application of the blade. Sunbelt would be an OEM supplier to Deere, but they are also likely the OEM supplier to countless other mower brands as well. And then they have cross application of their products to those brands to which they are not an OEM supplier, which would make them an after marker supplier to other brands.

Many parts manufacturers sell parts through multiple channels, for example to lawn mower makers for installation during new-mower construction, to other mower makers for resale as private-branded replacement parts, and through general merchandising supply chains such as GreenPartStore - John Deere Parts and More - Parts for John Deere Lawn Tractors, John Deere Lawn & Garden Tractors, John Deere Mowers, John Deere Attachments, John Deere Accessories and others firms that sell John Deere tractor and mower parts. etc.

Any given brand of part can be OEM on some mower models and aftermarket on others.


If the Sunbelt blade is the goal, then great. If the classification of whether or not its an OEM is important, I think its a distinction that lacks any difference.

Just as there is confusion about how GTT is structured and operates, it appears the same confusion might exist with OEM and aftermarket mower blades. To answer the question you posed, ""What Is The Difference From A John Deere OEM and Aftermarket Mower Blades""? the answer would be "when the source is Sunbelt Mower blades, there is no difference because they are one and the same."
 
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