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I recently had to download the latest changes to windows 10. Halfway into the updates & ran into trouble & nothing worked correctly. Took my computer to my local moonlight computer pro who got it on tack for me. But now I can't figure the thing out. Email has become a big issue. Can't understand how to use it. Can't save email addresses or figure out the very basics of it. I will admit a lot of it is my fault. I make no effort to stay informed about this computer junk. It bores the hell out of me & I don't have an aptitude for it.

A friend of mine has a Mac system & he is telling me to move over to a Mac. Keeps claiming its idiot proof (He means me when he says Idiot). I have never used a Mac before. Maybe he is right. My computer skills stink. Is Mac all that much easier to learn & use. I also want to set up a website using Wordpress. Would Mac be a better way to do that? Can someone give me their opinion on this. Should I force myself to learn the new Windows or just go for the Mac system.

How hard would it be to pick up the Mac stuff. And how often does Apple change the Mac stuff sending me down the same road with having to deal with changes. My major problem is I have no one near me that can teach me this stuff & I really stink at it. Thanks for the opinions & advice.
 

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The icons in mac are different than windows, so there is a learning curve there. Also, the biggest downside (to me, anyway) is that the file system is VERY different, which makes it confusing for folks like myself who are used to the windows system.

Other than that, the consensus among my circle is that macs are more of a status symbol, because we view them as overpriced for what you get. You can get a pretty nice high powered top of the line windows gaming laptop for as much as a mac. On the flip side, mac is very optimized for everything it runs, so most things are smooth and fast. Also, macbooks are super advanced in the ports department (not many legacy ports like normal USB or VGA) so you may have issues there as they have mostly switched to USB-c and thunderbolt. some of the hardware isn't really that great either, but like i said, its optimized so no real issue there.




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When I retired, November 2016, I decided to switch over to an iMac. It was expensive although I didn’t need the 27” 4K screen, etc. but we wanted it.

My job included keeping software up to date on a server and 10 other PCs and laptops for students and instructors. This was one of many responsibilities I had but found myself constantly on a daily basis fixing or updating something. I’m no expert but it really took up too much of my time.

Now that I’m on a Mac, I have very little maintenance or issues. A few OS updates but that’s it. It syncs with my iPhone well and has been flawless.

Yes there were and stil are things that I scratch my head over from trying to operate it like a pc but overall I love it for its consistent performance.
 

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When I retired, November 2016, I decided to switch over to an iMac. It was expensive although I didn’t need the 27” 4K screen, etc. but we wanted it.

My job included keeping software up to date on a server and 10 other PCs and laptops for students and instructors. This was one of many responsibilities I had but found myself constantly on a daily basis fixing or updating something. I’m no expert but it really took up too much of my time.

Now that I’m on a Mac, I have very little maintenance or issues. A few OS updates but that’s it. It syncs with my iPhone well and has been flawless.

Yes there were and stil are things that I scratch my head over from trying to operate it like a pc but overall I love it for its consistent performance.
OK- the comments here have me thinking that maybe I should try out a Mac system. My local expert generally ends up with computers that people give him. He sells some as used but working well & some he fixes & gives them for free to local schools, nursing homes, vets care facilities, etc. I think I will ask him about finding one for me to tryout. Thanks.
 

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Well I was a Computer hardware Tech for the Last 6 years Been trained In it for 9 Years and Technically still are a Hardware Tech Only there sending there computer from India & Costa Rica to me. I am a IT Support Desk Manager(only good thing I work from Home(in shorts and a T-shirt right now). But I still do the Hardware support Because none of My guys & Gals have done the Hardware support other Than changing a Hard Drive or Memory (I hate all computers BTW)( background reasoning for Hating computers Well lets see I was In the Infantry and Special forces for 21.5 years, IL State Trooper technically for 3 years & Civilian Military advisor for almost 8 years What the H**L do I need a computer for) I am certified In Both MAC & Many PC Manufacturers.

Few questions Maddog
How Much Memory/Ram are You running In Your Current PC?
What Program did Your Current PC Have when You Bought it?

Mac are fine computers if You Have to do a Lot of Video editing Other than That there are Just Not worth it
Once a MAC has a Hardware Problem Can You say Hope You Have a apple store Near Buy or Your More than Likely going to be sending it to a depot. Now Keep In mind Once It's In a depot doesn't Matter the Manufacture some of the Parts used will be USED that they Put Back In it

Most other PC Manufactures Have at Home service. Apple does offer that But if You want your apple Put Back together right You send it to a depot or a Apple store (which means you will be without your computer a week to 10 days if it requires service)

From a Hardware standpoint Apple is the worst Put together computer You Can Buy

I would suggest Looking at a Lenovo Computer. It's a Chinese company(Hong Kong Based) That Makes there computer Here In the US (Lenovo is Basically a IBM computer.) Lenovo always Made the Computers for IBM even when there were Called IBM. When IBM decided to get out of the PC Market They Just sold it or Gave it to Lenovo to Just continue with out the IBM Name

I don't recommend Dell!! Most thought when Michael Dell Bought the company Back and Made it Private again that quality would Improve But it has been the Opposite it has gotten worse. I would Only recommend a Dell Optiplex 3050 0r 7050 Micro It's a Desk Top Computer about the size of a I PAD You still need a Monitor, Keyboard & Mouse. But there very easy to Maintain and You get US support for it

You Can run a Virtual machine of windows 10 On a Mac Instead of Using there own software. Which is Not as safe as they Put out to the Public There still just as easy to Hack as anyone using windows

DO NOT BUY a ALL In One Computer No Matter who Makes it None of the Manufactures Have come out with decent All In One computer that is reliable. Especially if Your running wireless

Again Unless Your Buying a PC for editing a Lot of Video or doing a Lot of CAD Your Just Paying for the Name with Apple/Mac and Not for quality

If Your Having Problem Now with a standard PC Going to Mac is Not going to be any easier. It could be a super Huge Learning curve for You

Right Now I am Just Bidding my time In IT Until a JD salesman retirees at My Local JD dealer In the next year or so. So I can finally be In a Job I will love again Like the Army ( Did I mention I HATE COMPUTERS!!!) :bigthumb:
 

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Well I was a Computer hardware Tech for the Last 6 years Been trained In it for 9 Years and Technically still are a Hardware Tech Only there sending there computer from India & Costa Rica to me. I am a IT Support Desk Manager(only good thing I work from Home(in shorts and a T-shirt right now). But I still do the Hardware support Because none of My guys & Gals have done the Hardware support other Than changing a Hard Drive or Memory (I hate all computers BTW)( background reasoning for Hating computers Well lets see I was In the Infantry and Special forces for 21.5 years, IL State Trooper technically for 3 years & Civilian Military advisor for almost 8 years What the H**L do I need a computer for) I am certified In Both MAC & Many PC Manufacturers.

Few questions Maddog
How Much Memory/Ram are You running In Your Current PC?
What Program did Your Current PC Have when You Bought it?

Mac are fine computers if You Have to do a Lot of Video editing Other than That there are Just Not worth it
Once a MAC has a Hardware Problem Can You say Hope You Have a apple store Near Buy or Your More than Likely going to be sending it to a depot. Now Keep In mind Once It's In a depot doesn't Matter the Manufacture some of the Parts used will be USED that they Put Back In it

Most other PC Manufactures Have at Home service. Apple does offer that But if You want your apple Put Back together right You send it to a depot or a Apple store (which means you will be without your computer a week to 10 days if it requires service)

From a Hardware standpoint Apple is the worst Put together computer You Can Buy

I would suggest Looking at a Lenovo Computer. It's a Chinese company(Hong Kong Based) That Makes there computer Here In the US (Lenovo is Basically a IBM computer.) Lenovo always Made the Computers for IBM even when there were Called IBM. When IBM decided to get out of the PC Market They Just sold it or Gave it to Lenovo to Just continue with out the IBM Name

I don't recommend Dell!! Most thought when Michael Dell Bought the company Back and Made it Private again that quality would Improve But it has been the Opposite it has gotten worse. I would Only recommend a Dell Optiplex 3050 0r 7050 Micro It's a Desk Top Computer about the size of a I PAD You still need a Monitor, Keyboard & Mouse. But there very easy to Maintain and You get US support for it

You Can run a Virtual machine of windows 10 On a Mac Instead of Using there own software. Which is Not as safe as they Put out to the Public There still just as easy to Hack as anyone using windows

DO NOT BUY a ALL In One Computer No Matter who Makes it None of the Manufactures Have come out with decent All In One computer that is reliable. Especially if Your running wireless

Again Unless Your Buying a PC for editing a Lot of Video or doing a Lot of CAD Your Just Paying for the Name with Apple/Mac and Not for quality

If Your Having Problem Now with a standard PC Going to Mac is Not going to be any easier. It could be a super Huge Learning curve for You

Right Now I am Just Bidding my time In IT Until a JD salesman retirees at My Local JD dealer In the next year or so. So I can finally be In a Job I will love again Like the Army ( Did I mention I HATE COMPUTERS!!!) :bigthumb:
This kind of gets back to what I was saying earlier about status symbols. Imo, the mac is an overpriced under-spec/powered machine that people buy because its 'cool' or trendy. Not saying that you're a trendy, or thats why you are buying, but if you want good functionality hardware wise, go with windows.

here are some comparably priced options as a mac; you can see that you get more bang for your buck this way.

acer predator


asus vivobook


asus ROG

here's one that I'm currently looking at, just for food for thought;
Acer aspire E15
 

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This kind of gets back to what I was saying earlier about status symbols. Imo, the mac is an overpriced under-spec/powered machine that people buy because its 'cool' or trendy. Not saying that you're a trendy, or thats why you are buying, but if you want good functionality hardware wise, go with windows.

here are some comparably priced options as a mac; you can see that you get more bang for your buck this way.

acer predator


asus vivobook


asus ROG

here's one that I'm currently looking at, just for food for thought;
Acer aspire E15
Asus is a Very Hardy computer. Wish Bushiness would use them more. Then they wouldn't need Many Hardware techs and the software Techs would be In business :bigthumb:
 

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Just an observation, and nothing against anyone one way or the other...
If you look at the people commenting and their background, you will see, if you can decipher all of it, my basic opinion regarding Apple in general.
The guys with IT background and that know their way round Windows inside and out say its a waste of money to go MAC. Those that dont like MAC.
Nothing wrong either way, its just one of those "what works best for you" questions.
It breaks down like this:
Do you know a bunch about computers?
No-Apple is easier Yes-save your money and stick to Windows
Do you want ease of use?
Kind of a tie. Both can be a PITA at times.

The rest is a lot of maybes...
If you run a lot of different programs, MAC isnt ideal. They dont always work as intended with programs they claim to support.
Its because they hold a MUCH smaller market share, that simple.
If you are just on a computer checking email, surfing the web, doing minor stuff, and do NOT want to have issues with updates, errors, etc, MAC is the way to go. Actually, for that an iPad or similar is probably better at this point.
Going to a MAC, you do overpay (as you do with anything Apple), but that too is all relevant.
Do you have a bunch of other Apple devices? They work much better together than anything else. Its what they do, and they do it VERY well.

Ive never been in IT, or tech support or any other computer related field.
I have built my own computers since Windows 95 though. I know my way around a computer.
When my Mom gets a new computer, Im going to just tell her to get a MAC and be done (or just buy her one). Yes, its more money, but they generally last longer without needing upgrades to run the latest programs, and they rarely have issues. My Mom is always calling with some issue with her laptop.
Personally, I am running Windows based PCs, and Apple devices (phones, tablets). I only need my phone to do what I want it to do when I want it to do it. Android stuff sometimes gets a mind of its own. Its apps dont necessarily work as intended. Its getting a LOT better, but still has issues. I have that with computers, I dont need it with a phone.
I also believe if you are going to get a Windows based PC, buy a business class system. Or a gaming system. Dont get the el cheapo stuff you see at the electronics store, as they dont last.
I probably would have gone to MAC sooner had they been cheaper, and had I not needed to run AutoCAD, as the version I had was not MAC compatible. Thats a much more recent development. Im not limited by that anymore, so maybe I will and maybe I wont.
The older I get, the less I want to mess with stuff dealing with random issues here and there and making sure all my programs are up to date and that nothing is interfering with anything else, and the more likely I am to switch to MAC pcs.
Windows isnt a big deal really, but the updates are ridiculous.

Bottom line, what you are paying for with a MAC is the same thing you pay extra for a Deere. Ease of use. Convenience and long life.
People say Deere is overpriced for what you get, but a lot of those people have never spent any real time on a Deere compared to other brands.

As to your email issues, I dont know who you use, or if you use a mail client like Outlook or Thunderbird, but those clients can cause issues all their own.
I recently had to deal with that with Mozillas Thunderbird and my business email. It wouldnt connect, then it wouldnt send. I finally got it sorted, but it was a pain.
Thats not really a Windows vs Mac issue though, as I see it anyway.
 

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I actually have Both a MAC & a Lenovo Mid Grad Business Line.
Used a Mac for Years working for the federal Government Because I had to to a Lot of Video editing for the Training Films I had to Make Up . I do service Now with software Issues On Both MAC and PC's and Hardware issues Not all companies Just use windows based PC's You get the same amount of software Issues with MAC that You do with PC's running windows our clients around the world On all continents(yes I said All Continents) use a Mixture of Mac & PC.

I honestly do not see Buying a Mac except for the Name and status are they any better than Dell, Lenovo, Asus ect . Pure and simple No!

In some way I get More Calls for MAC Biggest complaint I get. I Bought a Mac so I wouldn't have these Kinds of Problems.

That says to me That The Mighty established themselves with there Name. They think because there Name is so Great! They can Lower there standards and sell You a sub standard computer with a Nice Looking outside.

Many of the Big Name Computer Companies did this they establish themselves with a Name & reputation and they Cut corners .

Tractor companies do that as well even Deere as we have seen In recent Years has done that with some of there outdoor Power equipment.
They established there Box store Line Based originally On there STX and GT 275 with a different Paint scheme and slowly The Price has dropped Because they Have had to drop there standards a bit to compete.But the Price reflects That.

My Problem with MAC is the Price is going Up but there quality is going down On the Inside of the Machine. So today Your Not getting that Mac from 10 years ago. But Your Paying a Higher Price for it with sub standard Parts.

But that can be a Problem when a Leader is Lost or moves on. Don't Care the Manufacturer It Happens In some Parts of any Industry.

Yes all Computer Manufacturers do it to some extent Drop quality and raise there Price

But I see it More from Mac Than any other computer Manufacturer I service with software or Hardware. That's my reasoning for Not recommending a Mac Unless they Have certain needs That a standard PC Might not be able to fill.

Because for running a Business office setting or Just Home computing uses There are a Lot of PC's out there Better than MAC and at Lower Prices and a Better Physically built Machine.

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I was a diehard PC guy until windows 10. I made the transition to Mac at home and work and am glad I did. They are not quite idiot proof, but are close. Yes, there is a leaning curve. Macs have a much better user support system (if needed) and great battery life. The time, effort and money are worth it, IMHO.
 

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Jim B -

As far as just checking email and surfing the web - 6-7 years ago we got my in-laws their very first computer. They were in the 70’s at the time and neither had ever touched a computer before.

I bought them a Chromebook.

They learned it quickly enough with about an hour with me and have been fine ever since. It updates itself and it just simply works - they can’t break it. All those years and never once a call for help.

I was (am) so happy it worked out. I can easily reccommend a Chromebook for just email and web.
 

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And now for something completely different...

Just to throw a monkey wrench into the works, and being the Linux advocate that I am, you may want to try Linux on your existing hardware. In fact, you can run a desktop environment from a DVD or USB stick without it changing your computer's configuration at all, so you can try it out and see if it works with your hardware (see https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#0 if interested). Best of all, it's completely free. And if it works with your hardware, no new hardware needed.

Of course, I know this is probably not going to be the route you take. But aren't you the tiniest bit curious? I mean, free? Doesn't change your current Windows configuration? What do you have to lose? :dunno:
 

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I run windows7 on a MacBook pro. The only reason was my son got several MacBook pros from his work for nothing when they upgraded. I am just use to the windows programs.
 

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90% of my use is an iPad or iPhone. the rest is on either an old XP box or win7.

determine what you really want/need to do and buy accordingly. a $200 dollar chromebook/netbookPC will surf and email all day
 

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I grew up using DOS for a little while but then Windows 95 and so on. I was never a nerd but I was very proficient at windows. I got so few up with trying to find a new antivirus program that legitimately did it's job and didn't bog down the computer due to so much running in the background. Once I was in college I jumped to a MacBook Pro 17". I have never regretted the switch. It took some getting used to saving files in windows format since the compatibility packs on windows computers weren't very good in 2008. There weren't nearly as many programs for Mac at the time however over the years if it's in Windows form it's in Mac as well. No viruses, they don't slow down and fizzle out like Windows computers do, they just work really well.

I sold my 17" after 6yrs for $1200 after paying $2400-ish for it. You can't do that with a Windows laptop. My wife and I share a 13" MacBook right now but it's too small for my liking. That's what she wanted at the time and I couldn't talk her out of it. When she graduates in a few months I might treat her (US) to one of those new MacBook Pro 15" units. :laugh::bigthumb:
 

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I have over 25 years experience with technology and use Windows, Mac, and Linux systems every single day. I never used a Mac in their current form (I repaired Mac machines back in the 90's - very different machine then) until 2011. I've been a Mac user as my primary machine ever since.

Here are the things to think about:

- Mac machine cost more than Windows machines. Period. It's a fact of life that "all things Apple" cost more than their counterparts whether it be a computer, a phone, tablet, or whatever.
- Mac warranty is super easy to use, and you also can do things like take classes at your local Apple Store at no charge to learn how to use your device.
- Mac machine specifications look 'slower' on paper than Windows counterparts. The machines run programs every bit as well and as fast as the Windows counterparts, though. So, don't be fooled by the numbers.
- The software available for Mac machines is not as extensive as what is available for Windows machines. Microsoft Visio is simply never going to be ported to the Mac. Period. It's an amazingly complex piece of software that Microsoft bought and didn't create themselves. The fact that they haven't killed it by now amazes me, but they'll never be able to rebuild it to run on a Mac.
- The filesystem on a Mac is very similar to how things are done on Linux and Unix, and with good reason - the underlying kernel of the OS for Mac is based on BSD which is a Unix. For the user, however, it's abstracted in a way that makes interacting with it VERY similar to how you do it on Windows. You have folders and files. The biggest change of significance is that you MUST eject your removable devices before you unplug them. On Windows, they try to "cover for you" as best they can. On Mac, you WILL corrupt your data.
- Changing to a Mac will have a learning curve. Changing to using a tablet instead of a desktop would have a learning curve, even if it were a Windows tablet. In short, change has a learning curve.
- There are no viruses for Mac. Nothing "in the wild", anyhow. Yes, some have been written, but they are not out there at large like they are for Windows. This does NOT mean that there isn't malware that can impact a Mac. Malware and viruses are different although we tend to lump them together.
- If you buy a new or fairly new Mac, you can absolutely expect to get YEARS worth of use out of your machine. My oldest machine is a 2012 MacBook Air that is still chugging along every bit as good as the day that I bought it. No slowdowns, the OS has been kept current (including two or three major updates), and I use it all the time when traveling.
- If you use multiple devices, including a phone and/or tablet, and those are also Apple, the integration and synchronization of data across them is nice. You do something in one place and it's reflected in the others (like text messaging or photos).


I used to make the statement that Mac's were best for video and photo editing, publishing, etc. - anything graphic related. With the changeover to Intel based hardware platforms and updates to the OS from a number of years back, however, they are more adept at the day-to-day stuff as well because so much more software is now available for them.

I have two iMac 27" 5K machines (desktops) and a MacBook Air laptop. The desktops are considered "all-in-ones", and don't regret purchasing them one bit. Even though I am quite skilled at handling the physical technology of them, and I even tear down and repair iPhones, I won't pull the iMac machines apart (they're intended to not be touched). Buy them how you want them - don't expect to purchase upgrades later on.

The one thing I don't particularly care for on the iMac machines that I have is that they use something called a "Fusion Drive" for storage. It's a combination of an SSD and a spinning drive. While it works very well, I would much prefer to have a pure SSD like I do in my MacBook Air.
 

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Something I forgot earlier...

If you're able to get your hands on a Mac to "try" for a short period and decide you like it, take your time on deciding what to buy for yourself for long-term. As I've already mentioned: Buy it the way you will want it (get input from others if you'd like, and you can PM me if you'd like some additional info or even just post here). Upgrading the hardware on Mac computers is no longer trivial and in many cases extremely cost-prohibitive.

I would also suggest looking seriously at Apple's "refurbished" items as they tend to be either current or very close and have a long life ahead of them for upgrades and updates. I've purchased used a couple of times and never had an issue because the Apple products are extremely easy to reset to the original OS and settings so that they are just like new. Unless you have someone to help you through that sort of process, it might be not be an appropriate course for you to take.

Evaluate exactly what you plan to do with the machine and whether additional software would be needed. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook are all available for the Mac, but may not actually be necessary as Apple provides free alternatives. Safari is the default web browser but I use Chrome on all of my machines. I use mine for work and the ONLY thing I can't do natively and need Windows for is Visio.
 

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Just to throw a monkey wrench into the works, and being the Linux advocate that I am, you may want to try Linux on your existing hardware. In fact, you can run a desktop environment from a DVD or USB stick without it changing your computer's configuration at all, so you can try it out and see if it works with your hardware (see https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#0 if interested). Best of all, it's completely free. And if it works with your hardware, no new hardware needed.

Of course, I know this is probably not going to be the route you take. But aren't you the tiniest bit curious? I mean, free? Doesn't change your current Windows configuration? What do you have to lose? :dunno:
While the likelihood is VERY low, there does exist the very real danger of clicking the wrong choice when the live disc is booting and it trying to install over the top of Windows and wipes everything out.
 

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Just to throw a monkey wrench into the works, and being the Linux advocate that I am, you may want to try Linux on your existing hardware. In fact, you can run a desktop environment from a DVD or USB stick without it changing your computer's configuration at all, so you can try it out and see if it works with your hardware (see https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#0 if interested). Best of all, it's completely free. And if it works with your hardware, no new hardware needed.

Of course, I know this is probably not going to be the route you take. But aren't you the tiniest bit curious? I mean, free? Doesn't change your current Windows configuration? What do you have to lose? :dunno:
Linux Which form do you use? Remember there are several companies Putting there own spin on Linux Because I bet the OP has no clue :bigthumb:
 

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Linux Which form do you use? Remember there are several companies Putting there own spin on Linux Because I bet the OP has no clue :bigthumb:
There are actually well over 200 different distributions of Linux, each with its own sort of "focus" or "sweet spot" in terms of what its intentions are.
 
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