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Recently I picked up a 2004 X485. Came with the 54C deck.The deck is pretty ratty so I was looking at my 60” mulch compatible from my445. I have 5 large willow trees and the spindles on the 60” will hold up tothe abuse of hitting some branches. (Occasional root) So I checked the PTOcoupler. No problem, same. The 54C uses a bolt for the rear draft arms and theyare open in the back. The 60” uses the spring U bolt set up. So I swapped thoseover and thought I was all set. But no. When I slid the 60” deck under theX485, the front support is not long enough to catch the deck. Around 2 or 3inches short. Both tractors front hangers are the same length. (Differentshape)

So not willing to throw the towel in just yet, I thought Iwould ask if anyone had done anything like this? My thoughts head towardsswapping the rear draft arms between tractors. But…..if they are mounted in adifferent spot, that wont help.

When my kneecaps recover tomorrow, I will take somemeasurements to see if they are different or what exactly is going on.

So much for a quick fix!

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Randy


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X485 Left 445 Right

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X485 with 60"

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The herd just grazing.
 

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Recently I picked up a 2004 X485. Came with the 54C deck.The deck is pretty ratty so I was looking at my 60” mulch compatible from my445. I have 5 large willow trees and the spindles on the 60” will hold up tothe abuse of hitting some branches. (Occasional root) So I checked the PTOcoupler. No problem, same. The 54C uses a bolt for the rear draft arms and theyare open in the back. The 60” uses the spring U bolt set up. So I swapped thoseover and thought I was all set. But no. When I slid the 60” deck under theX485, the front support is not long enough to catch the deck. Around 2 or 3inches short. Both tractors front hangers are the same length. (Differentshape)

So not willing to throw the towel in just yet, I thought Iwould ask if anyone had done anything like this? My thoughts head towardsswapping the rear draft arms between tractors. But…..if they are mounted in adifferent spot, that wont help.

When my kneecaps recover tomorrow, I will take somemeasurements to see if they are different or what exactly is going on.

So much for a quick fix!

Thanks
Randy


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X485 Left 445 Right

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X485 with 60"

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My stump grinder

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The herd just grazing.
Theres a whole lot going on there that is going to prove this difficult, at best. If the spacing is correct on the lift arm brackets, the length of the arms will need to be correct for the mount placement of them. This will need to be verified. Also, from what I've seen on the x series, the gearbox placement is different effectively changing the lockup angle of the driveshaft. Whether this will have any negative effect is unknown to me. I think your going to need the lift arms from the 445 to have a chance at this. I'm guessing they are different lengths to mach the hanger bracket lateral spacing. Let us know what you find. This has peaked my interest. :munch:
 

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Throwing in the towel

Thanks Brian.

Yah looking at it closer, the wheel base is longer on the X485 than the 445. Making up that distance is going to be tough. The X485 uses a slightly longer driveshaft to allow for the longer forward reach needed. So with that said the rear draft arms are the least of my problems. Remember I still need to put the 54C on the 445. LOL....that ain't happening.

I will mark this down as your basic hair brained idea that at least I only wasted 2 hours on.

Lord knows I have pulled some better ones than this!
 

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If I understand correctly; You had the 60" deck under the x485 and the rear lift arms hooked up and the drive shaft hooked up OK, but the front "U" bar was too short to hook up?

Have you tried hooking up the drive shaft and front "U" bar and seeing if the deck clears the front tires OK? Being the deck will be forward that couple inches too short? Will the drive shaft be long enough?

I would try and determine if the front or rear mounts (locations) fore and aft are the same between the two decks. From there, I decide which to modify, front "U" or rear arms.
 

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If I connect the front deck hanger, the rear draft arms are too long. Simple...cut them and re-drill. But now my 60" driveshaft is too short. Then one might say, grab the longer one off the 54C deck. That would work if it wasn't half the size. Tiny in comparison. Not up to the task.

Then to reverse the process since I need to use the 54C on the 445, now I need longer draft arms. etc etc.

Just seems like a losing battle.
 

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If I connect the front deck hanger, the rear draft arms are too long. Simple...cut them and re-drill. But now my 60" driveshaft is too short. Then one might say, grab the longer one off the 54C deck. That would work if it wasn't half the size. Tiny in comparison. Not up to the task.

Then to reverse the process since I need to use the 54C on the 445, now I need longer draft arms. etc etc.

Just seems like a losing battle.
This seems to be the consensus based on the little I've read about someone trying it. I don't consider it hairbrained at all. Mother Deere has certainly misengineered plenty that we, as owners, have re-ngineered to function better or to suit our needs. Proof of concept is one thing. I'm certain, given enough time and determination, what you want is possible. The question is whether or not its practical. This is obviously up to the individual. I had thoughts of putting an x series 62c deck on my 455 when I was looking for a 60 because I found one priced low. After some research, and a date with my tape measure I decided to wait for the right deck. I was lucky because my dad has an x720 with a 62 so I had access to actual real world numbers. The other thing that swayed me away was the way the deck was designed and the cheesy way deere designed the idler system and gearbox mount. Those stupid rubber isolators that hold the gearbox on are $14 a piece and the tensioner bushing is plastic. It left me uninspired. :bigbeer:
 

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Well I took out the 54C for her maiden run and had mixed results. After a little fine tuning I headed out. Cutting just about an acre. The deck has some kind of optional leaf chopping add on. It's a 1" strip bolted to the front left and rear right lower edge of the deck. Has pretty good lift and with sharp blades cut acceptable.
When I had the deck tipped up, I noticed some unusual wear on the back center of the deck. Looked like the guy was leveling his driveway with it. After I cut the ditch lines I figured out how it got like that. No center roller in the back. Ouch!!!

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My old 60" has the front and double inside rear rollers. Never has done any damage like this before. That will be my 4-6 week reminder what not to do with the 54C. Not to beat up on the 54C, you should have seen what the 1025r did to these same areas the first time I cut with it. No front rollers and it furrowed a nice pass right in front of my house. Looked at it every morning while sipping my coffee at the picture window.
When I bought the 1025r, I thought the 60" 7 iron deck was close to the same as my old 60. It is except they saved a few bucks on the anti-scalp rollers. Not to mention the useless gauge wheels. The large turning wheels on the old deck work great on preventing damage. The new ones just smear a piece of sod out, right to the dirt. With that said, the 1025r deck has been used twice and relocated to the back of the garage. Now that was a well spent $2300.00 Should have put that towards a new X series for mowing.
Truth be told, after the first 1025r backhoe project using the 445 to haul fill away, sealed the deal on having a second tractor. I couldn't pass on the X485 for the price. So now the herd is breeding. I may need to lock up that 1025r at night, I don't want him to have his way with the girls. May just find an LX or X300 parked out there in the morning!
 
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