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I have a basically new 2016 x738 with 22 hrs. It just died while mowing. Like no battery power or a fuse blew. It does nothing when trying to turn the key. The dash does not light up.
My first question is it alright to hook up a chain and pull it to the garage so I can work on it? Will it hurt the hydrostat towing it?
Once I can get it out of the field and into the garage where would the fuses be located?
The battery looks like it is hard to get to. Would I need to take off the hood to access the battery?
 

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Before towing the tractor, you need to open the bypass valve. There is a lever on the right side, behind the right rear wheel. Raise the lever up.
If the tractor is setting on a hill have the tractor hooked to something or have the parking brake set first.
There is a master fuse on the starter. You will need to remove the hood to get to the battery. The process on how to remove the hood is in the manual.
 

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Once you get it out of the yard. Check the battery voltage with a multi meter. Also check the connections at the battery. You should have 12.6 volts or better. Then turn the key on and check the volts again. If the voltage drops off the battery shorted out inside.

What ever you do don't try to jump start your tractor. The electronics don't deal with voltage spikes well. If the battery is bad replace it. Either way you should still be under warranty. It should cover this problem. Be prepared to take the tractor in for warranty service.
 

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Got it towed to the garage. Knowing my luck it started a down pour rain while I was trying to tow it.
Found out it keeps blowing the 20 amp key switch fuse.
 

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I'm glad H-D said it - do not try jumping the battery. We've seem a few fried control modules around here lately.

If it only has 22 hours and 1 year old shouldn't it be under warranty? If so let your dealer deal with it.
Yep, I'm going to let the dealer deal with it. Just wanted to figure out what it was to see it if was something simple like a blown fuse. Since the fuse keeps blowing I will have them deal with it since it is under warranty.
 

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Yep, I'm going to let the dealer deal with it. Just wanted to figure out what it was to see it if was something simple like a blown fuse. Since the fuse keeps blowing I will have them deal with it since it is under warranty.

Sounds like the best plan. Probably a wire grounding out on the frame or a bad ignition switch.

Did you do any kind of recent work on your tractor like installing an accessory? Did you run the tractor over any heavy brush or sticks? Psychical damage or a problem you caused would not be covered by the warranty. Otherwise you should be covered.
 

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I found the short to ground. The wires going to the seat switch under the seat. They got pitched between the seat spring. I repaired the wires and disconnected from the seat switch since I really don't care for that safety feature. Made a jumper to fit in the harness connector and zipped tied out of the way.
Since I found the problem and it was an easy fix. I figured it would save me a lot of time for me doing it myself since the dealer is 30 minutes one way.

At least I found out where the fuse box is at. Also learn about the bypass valve if in ever need to tow it again.
 

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I found the short to ground. The wires going to the seat switch under the seat. They got pitched between the seat spring. I repaired the wires and disconnected from the seat switch since I really don't care for that safety feature. Made a jumper to fit in the harness connector and zipped tied out of the way.
Since I found the problem and it was an easy fix. I figured it would save me a lot of time for me doing it myself since the dealer is 30 minutes one way.

At least I found out where the fuse box is at. Also learn about the bypass valve if in ever need to tow it again.
You want to use the bypass lever every time you need to move your tractor. (Without being under it's own power) Even if it is only a couple feet. I even use mine for strapping it down on my trailer. Found it is easier to get all 5 straps tight.

The seat safety switch is something that I can live with. If I end up coming off the tractor for any reason I want it shutting down. Can't think of a single reason why I would want to get off a running tractor without setting the brake.

Now that RIO is a PITA and totally useless. lol I just lift the switch and jam my rubber JD keychain between it and the dash. Works like a charm and nothing is modified.
 

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You want to use the bypass lever every time you need to move your tractor. (Without being under it's own power) Even if it is only a couple feet. I even use mine for strapping it down on my trailer. Found it is easier to get all 5 straps tight.

The seat safety switch is something that I can live with. If I end up coming off the tractor for any reason I want it shutting down. Can't think of a single reason why I would want to get off a running tractor without setting the brake.

Now that RIO is a PITA and totally useless. lol I just lift the switch and jam my rubber JD keychain between it and the dash. Works like a charm and nothing is modified.
Yeah that was the only safety device I defeated. Well it was partly that my backup switch failed so the RIO thought I was backing up all the time even when I wasn't. I sure wasn't going to spend good money on fixing a switch that triggered the safety that I though was the most ridiculous one on the machine. If anything it was more dangerous trying to hold up on the PTO switch while trying to back up the machine and look behind me. For some reason (luckily) they didn't include any of that silliness on my ZTrak.
 

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Yeah that was the only safety device I defeated. Well it was partly that my backup switch failed so the RIO thought I was backing up all the time even when I wasn't. I sure wasn't going to spend good money on fixing a switch that triggered the safety that I though was the most ridiculous one on the machine. If anything it was more dangerous trying to hold up on the PTO switch while trying to back up the machine and look behind me. For some reason (luckily) they didn't include any of that silliness on my ZTrak.
Doesn't your reverse switch operate the back up lights on your model tractor?
 

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Doesn't your reverse switch operate the back up lights on your model tractor?
Yes, they still work. My headlights have 3 positions. Off/on with reverse while backing/on with reverse on all the time.

So I can manually turn them on but the switch that works off the backup foot control is a two sided switch. So when you press on the reverse operation control, it presses down the plunger of the backup switch. One side is for the PTO this action opens the switch and would kill the PTO this side failed. The other side of the switch closes and activates the backup lights if in the headlight switch is in the middle position.

So the failed reverse switch killed my PTO, took a bit to track that one down. I could bypass half the switch and still retain normal operation of the backup lights. Been working like a champ for 6-7 years now I think. I bypassed it a long time ago.
 

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You want to use the bypass lever every time you need to move your tractor. (Without being under it's own power) Even if it is only a couple feet. I even use mine for strapping it down on my trailer. Found it is easier to get all 5 straps tight.

The seat safety switch is something that I can live with. If I end up coming off the tractor for any reason I want it shutting down. Can't think of a single reason why I would want to get off a running tractor without setting the brake.

Now that RIO is a PITA and totally useless. lol I just lift the switch and jam my rubber JD keychain between it and the dash. Works like a charm and nothing is modified.
I wish the new ones were that easy for the RIO. They use a button you have to push down, can't put anything under it like the older ones! I need to get a jumper in mine, man is it a pain to push that button every time I back up, especially holding my 15 month old on my lap and trying to turn at the same time!
 

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I wish the new ones were that easy for the RIO. They use a button you have to push down, can't put anything under it like the older ones! I need to get a jumper in mine, man is it a pain to push that button every time I back up, especially holding my 15 month old on my lap and trying to turn at the same time!

If JD's legal department has a problem with peeps backing up without looking behind them or at least operating their little yellow button so you can do it. What do you think they would have to say about your comment? Your RIO button is too much of a PITA to operate. Especially when holding my baby in one hand and trying to steer with the other. lol And they know you are cutting grass (not just giving a joy ride) with the kid on your lap because if the PTO wasn't engaged you wouldn't need to push the yellow button. lol

A representative from JD would probably be calling children and youth services on you. lol
 

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I wish the new ones were that easy for the RIO. They use a button you have to push down, can't put anything under it like the older ones! I need to get a jumper in mine, man is it a pain to push that button every time I back up, especially holding my 15 month old on my lap and trying to turn at the same time!
For me I removed the backup switch up under the tractor. Did this a year ago so hard to remember where switch is located. Just follow the Rev pedal linkage and you'll see the switch. I removed the two nuts and bolts and tied the switch up and out of the way.
No more pressing the yellow button or holding up the PTO switch.
 

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I wish the new ones were that easy for the RIO. They use a button you have to push down, can't put anything under it like the older ones! I need to get a jumper in mine, man is it a pain to push that button every time I back up, especially holding my 15 month old on my lap and trying to turn at the same time!
Wow, I thought the new ones where set where you could either push the little yellow button OR lift the PTO to get the backup circuit to work....
 

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Wow, I thought the new ones where set where you could either push the little yellow button OR lift the PTO to get the backup circuit to work....
No, they are a push button only. Very sensitive too...have to push it all the way down or it cuts your PTO. PITA!! Definitely need to get a jumper put in. And on a side note....the little one does wear safety glasses and ear muffs when mowing with me! Absolutely loves it! Second summer riding with me already. He loved it as a newborn last summer as well!
 

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I think it is interesting that John Deere isn't consistent on this.

They feel that you can't be trusted to back up 2' with the PTO engaged because it is far to dangerous. Honestly it didn't bother me as much mowing as it did running the snow blower where I make a pass and then back up sometimes quite a distance. I know when I picked up the Z950R I was wondering safeties were going to be on that machine which I may have to figure out how to disable. Surprisingly I am perfectly fine with the safeties they have in place. There is no safety override needed for backing up. I could cut my entire yard going backwards if I wanted. It makes me wonder if that is the case on the smaller "residential" ZTraks? There is no safety requirement for the seat belt to be worn. In fact they say not to wear it when the ROPS is folded. There is a safety on the seat switch that kills the machine if you get off the operator seat when if the PTO is on or the parking brake not set. Parking Brake also kills the PTO I believe. The way they all operate are fine with me.
 

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I think it is interesting that John Deere isn't consistent on this.

They feel that you can't be trusted to back up 2' with the PTO engaged because it is far to dangerous. Honestly it didn't bother me as much mowing as it did running the snow blower where I make a pass and then back up sometimes quite a distance. I know when I picked up the Z950R I was wondering safeties were going to be on that machine which I may have to figure out how to disable. Surprisingly I am perfectly fine with the safeties they have in place. There is no safety override needed for backing up. I could cut my entire yard going backwards if I wanted. It makes me wonder if that is the case on the smaller "residential" ZTraks? There is no safety requirement for the seat belt to be worn. In fact they say not to wear it when the ROPS is folded. There is a safety on the seat switch that kills the machine if you get off the operator seat when if the PTO is on or the parking brake not set. Parking Brake also kills the PTO I believe. The way they all operate are fine with me.

My theory is the commercial zero turn customer wouldn't stand for a RIO system or other stupidness. Like the engine not running unless your seatbelt is fastened. They would avoid them machines like the plague.
That and you need to move the control sticks in reverse just to steer around some obstacles. Without pivoting on the one wheel and tearing up the grass. Not necessarily driving in full reverse. You would be pushing that RIO switch like the fire button on a video game. lol

I would also be interested to know weather the residential ZT's are the same.
 
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